here’s an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I’d rather get scheduled with?
The sentiment isn’t dumb. It’s true. The Democrats don’t give a fuck about us plebs. I voted for Harris and absolutely will vote for/choose the lesser evil as long as I’m still able. Doing so does not mean the Dems give any fucks about me.
Remember when Bernie had real momentum behind him and the Dems sabotaged him because Hillary was determined to have her run at the presidency? If the Democratic party gave a fuck about the voting public they’d have gone whole hog behind Bernie.
It the Dems cared about normies, they’d be doing more than performative filibusters that accomplish nothing. If the Democratic party cared they’d be throwing up every fucking roadblock they could to actually try and stop that motherfucker Trump and his fucking cronies.
Are the Dems a better option than the Republicans? Yes. Do the Dems care about us? No. They’re just the less shitty choice.
I agree. I didn’t say you’re wrong. I’m just saying that the way this the meme is phrased creates a false equivalency that is misleading unless spelled out like you did
To map your analogy to the US 2 party system the one who isn’t a known child predator is also a child predator and works to keeps the other one in power. They both work for the same super predator.
and while one of them had a background in law enforcement the other one is deporting your meemaw to El Salvador because it turns out the real trasure was that your meemaw was a gang member.
Honestly I’m wondering what part of what I said lead you to believe what you claim to believe I said? Do you believe that Biden was actually Netanyahu in disguise? Do you believe that the guy in office who wants to ship Gazans off to Egypt so he can build a resort on what was their homes?
No, I think you believe that triggering Americans with false equivalencies is entertaining, and you’re probably right.
What I’m having trouble with is deciding if you’re pushing this narrative for russia, to keep Americans distracted while krasnov disassembles the whole thing from inside, or if you’re supporting Israeli PR, making everyone look toward the big bad guy instead of the big bad guy
See, this is why I don’t consider BlueMAGA liberals to be any better than regular MAGA; they behave exactly the same. When challenged they start throwing out obviously absurd falsehood and playing dumb (like trying to claim Biden had no involvement in Isreal’s genocide, or that Biden didn’t propose ship the people of Gaza to Egypt before Trump ever did), not because they actually think any of it is true (nobody alive seriously believes that the Biden administration had nothing to do with Isreal’s genocide), but just to frustrate and annoy by wasting your time.
They then immediately jump to accusing all who disagree with them of being secret agents of a grand Qanon-style conspiracy with lots of codenames and internet lore.
I mean there is the difficult but not acquiescent solution, that coincidentally carries parallels to the real world, of unionizing your work place and using the power of collective bargaining to demand better conditions. This is hard work and takes time and effort, but instead of recognizing that and trying to help, people check out. And those pushing for it are called unrealistic tools of the bad manager and that we demand perfection, while every year the ‘lesser evil’ manager gets a bit more touchy with his subordinates.
Further in the real world analog of this, the ‘lesser evil’ manager is bombing children, and driving us towards climate catastrophe. Yes democratic politicians are better then republican ones, but that doesn’t negate the point of the meme. They do not give a fuck about you, and they will drive us off the climate cliff, they will bomb more children, they will give more tools to the police state, and they will hire more ICE agents. With such stakes we need to do the hard thing and demand better.
You are literally the one in the right in this pic. Shaming people for wanting to improve the world rather than voting for your status quo genocidal party.
very funny meme to go with, considering that “choosing the slightly less evil option” is in fact not improving anything about society, but instead just watching society get worse, at a slower pace. you are very intelligent!!
“choosing the less evil option” and then continuing to protest, resist, and break shit will bring about change though. especially when the less evil option didn’t vow to bring in the national guard to crack down on pro Palestine protestors.
y’all are centrists masquerading as leftists, you care more about what you seem to be right and true than the consequences of it
some of us had to work. not everyone has parents who can hold down jobs and bring in money. I worked at a grocery store cause it was easy to grab the perfectly good expired stuff being tossed.
Liberals would sooner imagine the end of existence, than the thousands of other alternatives and types of political action and organizing, other than voting for their genocidal parties.
Many imperialized peoples in the world rejected liberalism and its controlled opposition parties, and decided to build their own working class parties to oppose capitalist domination… and they freed themselves from imperialism and uplifted millions of people out of poverty in the process.
Despite being far poorer and less educated than imperial-core liberals, they are much more intelligent, and realize that step 1, is to form their own pro-worker / pro-peasant parties. They don’t eat the shit on a plate given to them like US liberals are happy to do.
I’ve never realized how young everyone on Lemmy must be until I came across this thread.
“Just get a different job.” and “Both parties are bad.” are exactly the useless nihilistic asshole attitudes I had about things when I was about half my current age.
lemmy actually tends to skew older than a lot of platforms (ive seen stats for this around just don’t have any on hand). the person I responded to above is actually one of the creators of lemmy. unfortunately, lemmy also skews towards chronically online and white, which means there’s a lot of those opinions floating around.
Yeah, probably an unfair take on my part to chalk it up to age instead of emotional maturity.
Nihilism is just so unproductive. I used to think that attitudes like that were such a smart and obvious response to the absurd state of the world but it’s just an excuse to not engage with reality or accept personal responsibility.
Even with Biden exiting late, that was a winnable election and the dems botched it by trying to fit as much evil as they thought they could get away with into the platform-- so they could cash the most checks from AIPAC.
If Harris had just said two weeks before the general that she thought what was going on was genocide, she’d be president right now and the minimum of campaign funding would have been lost. Sure the far right would never donate to the dems again, but when you look at what their donations cost us all, why would anyone take that money anyway?
Bringing their priorities into the party was always a massive mistake by DNC leadership.
And the dems like yourself learned nothing from the loss and keep preaching to others to accept lesser evils. When it comes to crimes against humanity I think you’ll find for the dems that enough of their base says “never again – for any ethnicity” that they should not even try this again unless they absolutely want to lose. Theres barely enough base to even try to win again in any case. We’re past any sort of ‘optimizing for highest $$’ strategizing and just fighting for the party to even exist at all anymore. So maybe take your lesser evil metaphor and fold it till its all sharp corners and do the needful.
Voting and issue polling is not exactly a totally random and unpredictable phenomenon. I know my peeps. If Harris said the words-- even pretended to deviate from Biden, youth and progressives would have showed. And yes, she would have lost the pro war crowd, but thats a tiny group compared to the ones who didnt vote or voted third party.
Who knew that murdering innocent human beings in cold blood would have consequences. Time to open that pocketbook and buy more hasbara marketing, zionists. And the world hasnt even witnessed the mass starvation yet. Getting away with that without a military intervention by someone more powerful is going to be really expensive isnt it.
I’m sure you zionists already have a rough cost projection, whats the budget on that?
Once true, not anymore, unless you are talking within a far right republican silo. Support of zionism is now a losing issue, especially with democratic party respondents.
here’s an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I’d rather get scheduled with?
The sentiment isn’t dumb. It’s true. The Democrats don’t give a fuck about us plebs. I voted for Harris and absolutely will vote for/choose the lesser evil as long as I’m still able. Doing so does not mean the Dems give any fucks about me.
Remember when Bernie had real momentum behind him and the Dems sabotaged him because Hillary was determined to have her run at the presidency? If the Democratic party gave a fuck about the voting public they’d have gone whole hog behind Bernie.
It the Dems cared about normies, they’d be doing more than performative filibusters that accomplish nothing. If the Democratic party cared they’d be throwing up every fucking roadblock they could to actually try and stop that motherfucker Trump and his fucking cronies.
Are the Dems a better option than the Republicans? Yes. Do the Dems care about us? No. They’re just the less shitty choice.
I agree. I didn’t say you’re wrong. I’m just saying that the way this the meme is phrased creates a false equivalency that is misleading unless spelled out like you did
Got it. I misunderstood your comment. My apologies!
I couldve worded it better and replaced “sentiment like this” with “statements like this” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To map your analogy to the US 2 party system the one who isn’t a known child predator is also a child predator and works to keeps the other one in power. They both work for the same super predator.
and while one of them had a background in law enforcement the other one is deporting your meemaw to El Salvador because it turns out the real trasure was that your meemaw was a gang member.
BoTH SiDeS aRE ThE SaMe!1!!
Your daily reminder that blueMAGA don’t consider Palestinians human
bLuEmAgA….
Such cringe.
Honestly I’m wondering what part of what I said lead you to believe what you claim to believe I said? Do you believe that Biden was actually Netanyahu in disguise? Do you believe that the guy in office who wants to ship Gazans off to Egypt so he can build a resort on what was their homes?
No, I think you believe that triggering Americans with false equivalencies is entertaining, and you’re probably right.
What I’m having trouble with is deciding if you’re pushing this narrative for russia, to keep Americans distracted while krasnov disassembles the whole thing from inside, or if you’re supporting Israeli PR, making everyone look toward the big bad guy instead of the big bad guy
See, this is why I don’t consider BlueMAGA liberals to be any better than regular MAGA; they behave exactly the same. When challenged they start throwing out obviously absurd falsehood and playing dumb (like trying to claim Biden had no involvement in Isreal’s genocide, or that Biden didn’t propose ship the people of Gaza to Egypt before Trump ever did), not because they actually think any of it is true (nobody alive seriously believes that the Biden administration had nothing to do with Isreal’s genocide), but just to frustrate and annoy by wasting your time.
They then immediately jump to accusing all who disagree with them of being secret agents of a grand Qanon-style conspiracy with lots of codenames and internet lore.
Oh, I get it, the .ml instance is where the r/conservatives went, I’m starting to figure out this fediverse stuff already!
ah yes, r/conservative, famous for its opposition to the Palestinian genocide.
SOcIaliStS aRe ACtUAllY coNsErVatIVes In dIsGUise
Neither is also an option. You don’t need to put up with either manager.
great point I should have simply not worked and let my family starve. truly genius intellect
I mean there is the difficult but not acquiescent solution, that coincidentally carries parallels to the real world, of unionizing your work place and using the power of collective bargaining to demand better conditions. This is hard work and takes time and effort, but instead of recognizing that and trying to help, people check out. And those pushing for it are called unrealistic tools of the bad manager and that we demand perfection, while every year the ‘lesser evil’ manager gets a bit more touchy with his subordinates.
Further in the real world analog of this, the ‘lesser evil’ manager is bombing children, and driving us towards climate catastrophe. Yes democratic politicians are better then republican ones, but that doesn’t negate the point of the meme. They do not give a fuck about you, and they will drive us off the climate cliff, they will bomb more children, they will give more tools to the police state, and they will hire more ICE agents. With such stakes we need to do the hard thing and demand better.
spoken like a nazi camp guard.
You are literally the one in the right in this pic. Shaming people for wanting to improve the world rather than voting for your status quo genocidal party.
This meme is the literal antithesis of all of your comments, Mr. “lesser evil”
very funny meme to go with, considering that “choosing the slightly less evil option” is in fact not improving anything about society, but instead just watching society get worse, at a slower pace. you are very intelligent!!
“choosing the less evil option” and then continuing to protest, resist, and break shit will bring about change though. especially when the less evil option didn’t vow to bring in the national guard to crack down on pro Palestine protestors.
y’all are centrists masquerading as leftists, you care more about what you seem to be right and true than the consequences of it
And you are neoliberal cancer, which does nothing to help or improve society
SOcIaliStS aRe ACtUAllY coNsErVatIVes In dIsGUise
You were 14. What family?
some of us had to work. not everyone has parents who can hold down jobs and bring in money. I worked at a grocery store cause it was easy to grab the perfectly good expired stuff being tossed.
Liberals would sooner imagine the end of existence, than the thousands of other alternatives and types of political action and organizing, other than voting for their genocidal parties.
Many imperialized peoples in the world rejected liberalism and its controlled opposition parties, and decided to build their own working class parties to oppose capitalist domination… and they freed themselves from imperialism and uplifted millions of people out of poverty in the process.
Despite being far poorer and less educated than imperial-core liberals, they are much more intelligent, and realize that step 1, is to form their own pro-worker / pro-peasant parties. They don’t eat the shit on a plate given to them like US liberals are happy to do.
I’ve never realized how young everyone on Lemmy must be until I came across this thread.
“Just get a different job.” and “Both parties are bad.” are exactly the useless nihilistic asshole attitudes I had about things when I was about half my current age.
lemmy actually tends to skew older than a lot of platforms (ive seen stats for this around just don’t have any on hand). the person I responded to above is actually one of the creators of lemmy. unfortunately, lemmy also skews towards chronically online and white, which means there’s a lot of those opinions floating around.
Yeah, probably an unfair take on my part to chalk it up to age instead of emotional maturity.
Nihilism is just so unproductive. I used to think that attitudes like that were such a smart and obvious response to the absurd state of the world but it’s just an excuse to not engage with reality or accept personal responsibility.
Even with Biden exiting late, that was a winnable election and the dems botched it by trying to fit as much evil as they thought they could get away with into the platform-- so they could cash the most checks from AIPAC.
If Harris had just said two weeks before the general that she thought what was going on was genocide, she’d be president right now and the minimum of campaign funding would have been lost. Sure the far right would never donate to the dems again, but when you look at what their donations cost us all, why would anyone take that money anyway?
Bringing their priorities into the party was always a massive mistake by DNC leadership.
And the dems like yourself learned nothing from the loss and keep preaching to others to accept lesser evils. When it comes to crimes against humanity I think you’ll find for the dems that enough of their base says “never again – for any ethnicity” that they should not even try this again unless they absolutely want to lose. Theres barely enough base to even try to win again in any case. We’re past any sort of ‘optimizing for highest $$’ strategizing and just fighting for the party to even exist at all anymore. So maybe take your lesser evil metaphor and fold it till its all sharp corners and do the needful.
Nobody knows “what would have happened” and suggesting it is stupid. Ain’t nothing predictable about this dimension.
She would have been president easily, but she loves right wing genocidal shit
Voting and issue polling is not exactly a totally random and unpredictable phenomenon. I know my peeps. If Harris said the words-- even pretended to deviate from Biden, youth and progressives would have showed. And yes, she would have lost the pro war crowd, but thats a tiny group compared to the ones who didnt vote or voted third party.
The youth never show.
And the “pro-war crowd” is larger than the “anti-war crowd” where it comes to Israel.
Note true.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx
Who knew that murdering innocent human beings in cold blood would have consequences. Time to open that pocketbook and buy more hasbara marketing, zionists. And the world hasnt even witnessed the mass starvation yet. Getting away with that without a military intervention by someone more powerful is going to be really expensive isnt it.
I’m sure you zionists already have a rough cost projection, whats the budget on that?
And yet more than half backed Trump, by far the more pro-Israel candidate.
I’m not a democrat and if I ever turn into one please put me down
What makes you think that?
What evidence do you have?
The fact a bunch of people on Twitter said it doesn’t mean it’s a 1:1 ratio to voting.
All the polls agree people lean more towards Israel than Palestine. Particularly in swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Once true, not anymore, unless you are talking within a far right republican silo. Support of zionism is now a losing issue, especially with democratic party respondents.
“53% of Americans have unfavorable view of Israel, compared to 42% in 2022” https://www.timesofisrael.com/most-americans-dont-want-the-us-to-take-over-gaza-pew-survey-finds/
“https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx”
Not favoring Israel’s behavior is not the same thing as not supporting Israel existing.
And yet two thirds of Americans supported the most pro-Israel candidate we’ve ever had.
Avoid that rapist molesting manager, Trump.