Official claimed Jose Hermosillo, who was visiting Arizona, was ‘without the proper immigration documents’

Summary

Immigration officials detained a US citizen for nearly 10 days in Arizona, according to court records and press reports.

On 8 April, a border patrol official found Hermosillo “without the proper immigration documents” and claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.

On 17 April, a federal judge dismissed his case. “He did say he was a US citizen, but they didn’t believe him.”

“Under the Trump administration’s theory of the law, the government could have banished this U.S. citizen to a Salvadoran prison then refused to do anything to bring him back,” Mark Joseph Stern, a legal analyst for Slate, wrote on Bluesky. “This is why the Constitution guarantees due process to all. Could it be more obvious?”

    • wanderingmagus
      12•2 months ago

      Are all Nazis bad people, or are there reasonable Nazis we should give the benefit of the doubt to?

    • @[email protected]
      19•2 months ago

      If you currently work for ICE and you haven’t quit, you’ve demonstrated you’re okay with going along with illegal and immoral actions. That makes you a bad person.

      There might be an argument to say that not everyone who has ever worked for ICE is a bad person, but that argument holds little water in 2025.

      Due process is required for legal judgements, not moral ones, FYI.

    • Dogiedog64
      10•2 months ago

      That’s a lot of words for not a lot of results. Yes, I am in fact saying that by simple fact of working for ICE, you are a bad person, and I hate you.

      One of the defining major differences between ICE goons and the MD guy they snatched off the street, as well as everyone else they’ve deported without due process, is that ICE is currently an arm of the government. They are inherently an extension of the current power structure, and by following these orders to randomly and wantonly deport people without notice or process, they are enabling it. Trying to come at this with the stance of “it’s not that simple, guys! Believe me!” is disingenuous at best, and sympathetic at worst.

      Moreover, I have seen zero news about ICE officials stepping down or getting fired in disgrace for all this bullshit. Considering that, they are either wholly and happily complicit, or completely apathetic to the whole thing. Neither is good.

        • @[email protected]
          10•2 months ago

          Look, everyone, this guy labelled himself as logical and reasonable, and his opponent as ignorant!

        • @[email protected]
          6•2 months ago

          I’m sure when you get picked up and detained without due process all you’ll need to do is use reason and logic with them and everything will be fine. /s

          I’m also sure that your first reaction to that was to snort in disbelief that such a thing ever would or could happen to you, even though it’s already happening to other US citizens. But sure, if you can fit in as a favored type of citizen, maybe it won’t happen to you (that’s the important thing, right?).

          It’s time to stop clinging to the belief that things are normal in the United States. Logic, reason, and rule of law no longer apply. Eventually we’ll all have to choose a side: the easy one going along with the fascists, or the hard and probably dangerous one against them–yes, even your strawman single mother who is “very concerned” but needs that ICE job, has to choose.

            • @[email protected]
              6•2 months ago

              The Tesla brand is associated with fascists for a reason–Elon Musk is one, and perhaps even the most powerful one. The Tesla brand should become anathema for that reason. It should be a mark of shame to drive one now, no matter what it was a sign of before. Don’t tell me to feel as sorry for Tesla owners as for the people whose lives are being ruined by Musk and the trump regime as a whole. If they could afford to buy one then, they can afford to get rid of it and get something else. Yes, it’s too bad it turned out that way for them, but the blame for that belongs to Musk, not us.

              What’s really too bad people being abducted and sent to prison camps. People who have served in the government being fired for no valid reason and the detrimental effects that will have on the rest of us and our society. The destruction of government functionality so it can be taken over and its resources divvied up between fascist oligarchs.

              Yes, I’m more worried about the people who will lose their medical care as Medicaid is defunded by Congress, those who may miss payments or even completely lose their main source of income after thousands of Social Security workers were fired and the agency becomes more dysfunctional, those who are suffering or have already died because USAID was suddenly shut down, etc etc etc than I am about someone’s Tesla resale value or those who work for ICE in any capacity.

                • @[email protected]
                  3•2 months ago

                  You’re the one who said Nazi (in your previous post). I use the term fascist which is more accurate for this regime/movement and its supporters, though I don’t doubt that many in its ranks would also fall under and identify with the specific term Nazi.

        • Dogiedog64
          8•2 months ago

          Do you even hear yourself? Do you actually think these Fascist Goons are gonna patiently listen to your logical arguments and rhetoric, and just let you go? No, they won’t. They’re gonna swoop in, grab you off the street, and throw you into the back of a van before you can open your mouth. Trying to out-argue a fascist takeover is a fool’s errand; the only thing they respect is power for power’s sake. But hey, if you wanna try talking your way out of being illegally deported by Goons with subaverage IQs, be my guest.

            • Dogiedog64
              5•2 months ago

              Buddy, I don’t know how much clearer they need to be before you understand that they WILL start coming after American Citizens, of ALL types, so long as they don’t fall in line with the Fascist Regime. Hell, they’ve already started, just look at all the recent stories of people being detained at the borders over nonsense, like that couple in Vermont, or that guy in the southwest. Whether you like it or not, you and I are both targets, simply because we are willing to say ‘No’ to their demands. Even if it’s not you or I, this shit WILL get violent before we’re through, and no amount of logical argument or rhetoric will change that.

                • Dogiedog64
                  4•2 months ago

                  Man I’m not happy about it either, but there’s no reality where we can talk our way out of this as a society. There will unfortunately be blood, whether it’s protests against the system getting rowdy with rage, or Fascist crackdowns as the Criminals in Chief seek power consolidation. We’re in for a rough ride no matter what.