Summary
Immigration officials detained a US citizen for nearly 10 days in Arizona, according to court records and press reports.
On 8 April, a border patrol official found Hermosillo “without the proper immigration documents” and claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.
On 17 April, a federal judge dismissed his case. “He did say he was a US citizen, but they didn’t believe him.”
“Under the Trump administration’s theory of the law, the government could have banished this U.S. citizen to a Salvadoran prison then refused to do anything to bring him back,” Mark Joseph Stern, a legal analyst for Slate, wrote on Bluesky. “This is why the Constitution guarantees due process to all. Could it be more obvious?”
Feels like there should be large disruptive protests around wherever ICE is headquartered. Surely they have offices?
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Heh heh.
Official claimed Jose Hermosillo, who was visiting Arizona, was ‘without the proper immigration documents’
I got a great idea from a history book! How about all of us brown people start wearing an arm band!
It could be really cool to see all of us come together… In the gas chamber or the self powering ovens.
Like do they toss us into an existing fire dead or alive? Do they need us to dehydrate first? Do we eat doritos since those things are like dry fuel? And what do we do between falling into the fire and dying. Is it best to scratch our names on the wall? Find someone to make love with one last time? Screams in fear? Just scratch the walls?
Mr. President, these are really important questions. Please have god answer those things for us when we’re there peeing ourselves. Like a nice retirement would have been good. But blood stained last message to the world, I suppose that could work for me.
Furnaces in German death camps were necessary, because this part of Europe was densely populated, so there were nowhere to store bodies where they wouldn’t interfere with the comfort of the general population. USA has so many generous swaths of uninhabited dirt, they’ll just take some state with area of bigger European country and population of average European city like like Wyoming, and move all the undesirables there to live and thrive in Freedom Settlements, producing all the goods that aren’t coming from China anymore.
claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.
Unless the citizen was dumb enough to say such a thing, not impossible, this was a straight up lie and the officer should be in jail for submitting a false report.
They probably asked him something like “Did you use an official checkpoint to get into the US from Mexico?” And he said “No” because he didn’t enter at all, but they interpreted it as he crossed illegally.
Naw
- based on the articles about this, that’s probably not what happened and they just flat out lied, just like they did in the other recent case of detained US citizen
- even if they DID ask that and he for whatever reason answered “no” and refused to elaborate and never bothered to mention that he was a US citizen (hint: not what happened - he said he was a citizen every step of the way), that is still not “admitting to being here illegally” and portraying it as such is a deliberate misrepresentation
Fascist don’t need your help, especially if you just have conjecture on your side.
I think his point was that they worded the question to make reasonable answers possible to be interpreted wrong to their benefit. In other words, they likely were trained to asked trap questions.
Even so, the guy said he told everyone he was a citizen. If someone asks me if I’m here on a visa and I respond “no” and then they arrest me and I’m like “I’m a citizen” you can’t then act like they were using trick questions for plausible deniability. The second I say I’m a citizen that goes out the window regardless of what I was asked. If the guy answered every question with “I’m a citizen and (answer)” I don’t think the result would be any different, so allowing them to hide behind “trick questions” obscures the fact that they are lying to get POC rounded up. They are lying and they don’t need “trick questions” because they don’t care what your answer is. You could answer the trick question “correctly” and still be rounded up. Anything suggesting that the fault lies in anything but the institution and its officers is a distraction imho. So I feel like “trick question” is a deflection/distraction and I have not read anything to even suggest that’s the case. It seems like they 1) didn’t believe him and 2) lied to cover it up. I have not read anything that suggests the citizen in question answered a question that may have been suspicious but I have read that he was not believed.
I’m not saying they “should” be able to get away with that. Just that they probably will. I am on the side of it should be illegal for cops to lie to you during an interrogation. Even attempting to use a trick question falls into the same boat in my opinion.
And even if the kids did say this thing, it would in no way prejudice his absolute right to remain in the country. Even if he did cross the border illegally without presenting at a port of entry, he would still have the right to enter and remain.
They’re doubling down on that claim:
But a senior official with the Department of Homeland Security rejected the allegations. “The narrative being pushed about Jose Hermosillo is false,” the official said via email. “On April 8, Hermosillo approached Border Patrol in Tucson and stated he had entered the U.S. illegally through Nogales. He said he wanted to turn himself in and completed a sworn statement identifying as a Mexican citizen who had entered unlawfully.
I’m certain they have video evidence that this is the case and will release it soon so we can all see they were doing things by the book. /s
* without due process.
Remember folks, if they’ll do it to the most vulnerable, they’ll do it to the rest of us just ass soon as they feel its safe to do so. it is inevitable.
And for the idiots thinking we’re not in Nazis America… Plenty of germans said the same sort of things with Hitler’s take over in the early 1930’s.
Wow, I hope the taxpayers put a FAT settlement in his pocket when he sues them. Kidnapped by the state for 10 days? Lawyers are salivating.
Vance is paying them a visit. Oh, looks like they sent their cousin to meet Vans. Oh they be dead. Short visit.
Don’t forget, “wrongfully” means incorrectly, i.e. against the law; it doesn’t mean “wrong” as in “unethical.” Practically every such detention should be considered wrong.
Well that’ll serve him right, going around the place looking vaguely foreign.
I’m not American so it’s kinda legitimate question.
Are there any good people working for ICE? Or is being an abusive racist cunt part of the requirement?
(I guess there are probably nice normal peoples working there but they are probably too afraid to stand up)
Edit: Wow, I didn’t meant to start such a heated debate. It’s just that from an EU perspective, you have tons of law enforcement from county to federal level, plus the military. But it’s always ICE that you can see doing the awful shit to other human beings. You don’t hear about ATF detaining a kid while showing him rape video of his mother (it did not happen, yet), it has to be ICE, it’s always ICE. Hence the question, what’s the difference between ICE employees and ATF/FBI/local PD/whatever employees?
There are no good people in ICE. It doesn’t matter how they present themselves outside of work, they’re all Fascist class traitors willingly upholding and legitimizing a Fascist regime, detaining and deporting citizens and immigrants alike ILLEGALLY, and filling the role of the Gestapo from Fascist Germany. Being abusive, racist, and a bastard probably isn’t mandatory for the role, but it’s the overwhelming majority of people who work there.
Do not pity or feel sorry for them, they’d kill you if they could get away with it.
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If you currently work for ICE and you haven’t quit, you’ve demonstrated you’re okay with going along with illegal and immoral actions. That makes you a bad person.
There might be an argument to say that not everyone who has ever worked for ICE is a bad person, but that argument holds little water in 2025.
Due process is required for legal judgements, not moral ones, FYI.
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A fascist is a fascist, doesn’t fuckin matter if they are “only doing their job”
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You could say there’s “some very fine people” that work there and it’d be accurate.
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Are all Nazis bad people, or are there reasonable Nazis we should give the benefit of the doubt to?
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Their sending legal inhabitants to death camps, where’s the distinction between ice and nazis?
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That’s a lot of words for not a lot of results. Yes, I am in fact saying that by simple fact of working for ICE, you are a bad person, and I hate you.
One of the defining major differences between ICE goons and the MD guy they snatched off the street, as well as everyone else they’ve deported without due process, is that ICE is currently an arm of the government. They are inherently an extension of the current power structure, and by following these orders to randomly and wantonly deport people without notice or process, they are enabling it. Trying to come at this with the stance of “it’s not that simple, guys! Believe me!” is disingenuous at best, and sympathetic at worst.
Moreover, I have seen zero news about ICE officials stepping down or getting fired in disgrace for all this bullshit. Considering that, they are either wholly and happily complicit, or completely apathetic to the whole thing. Neither is good.
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Do you even hear yourself? Do you actually think these Fascist Goons are gonna patiently listen to your logical arguments and rhetoric, and just let you go? No, they won’t. They’re gonna swoop in, grab you off the street, and throw you into the back of a van before you can open your mouth. Trying to out-argue a fascist takeover is a fool’s errand; the only thing they respect is power for power’s sake. But hey, if you wanna try talking your way out of being illegally deported by Goons with subaverage IQs, be my guest.
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Buddy, I don’t know how much clearer they need to be before you understand that they WILL start coming after American Citizens, of ALL types, so long as they don’t fall in line with the Fascist Regime. Hell, they’ve already started, just look at all the recent stories of people being detained at the borders over nonsense, like that couple in Vermont, or that guy in the southwest. Whether you like it or not, you and I are both targets, simply because we are willing to say ‘No’ to their demands. Even if it’s not you or I, this shit WILL get violent before we’re through, and no amount of logical argument or rhetoric will change that.
Look, everyone, this guy labelled himself as logical and reasonable, and his opponent as ignorant!
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Being calm doesn’t make you correct any more than being angry makes someone else wrong.
I’m sure when you get picked up and detained without due process all you’ll need to do is use reason and logic with them and everything will be fine. /s
I’m also sure that your first reaction to that was to snort in disbelief that such a thing ever would or could happen to you, even though it’s already happening to other US citizens. But sure, if you can fit in as a favored type of citizen, maybe it won’t happen to you (that’s the important thing, right?).
It’s time to stop clinging to the belief that things are normal in the United States. Logic, reason, and rule of law no longer apply. Eventually we’ll all have to choose a side: the easy one going along with the fascists, or the hard and probably dangerous one against them–yes, even your strawman single mother who is “very concerned” but needs that ICE job, has to choose.
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The Tesla brand is associated with fascists for a reason–Elon Musk is one, and perhaps even the most powerful one. The Tesla brand should become anathema for that reason. It should be a mark of shame to drive one now, no matter what it was a sign of before. Don’t tell me to feel as sorry for Tesla owners as for the people whose lives are being ruined by Musk and the trump regime as a whole. If they could afford to buy one then, they can afford to get rid of it and get something else. Yes, it’s too bad it turned out that way for them, but the blame for that belongs to Musk, not us.
What’s really too bad people being abducted and sent to prison camps. People who have served in the government being fired for no valid reason and the detrimental effects that will have on the rest of us and our society. The destruction of government functionality so it can be taken over and its resources divvied up between fascist oligarchs.
Yes, I’m more worried about the people who will lose their medical care as Medicaid is defunded by Congress, those who may miss payments or even completely lose their main source of income after thousands of Social Security workers were fired and the agency becomes more dysfunctional, those who are suffering or have already died because USAID was suddenly shut down, etc etc etc than I am about someone’s Tesla resale value or those who work for ICE in any capacity.
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I thought people were bitching about federal workers resigning in protest instead of staying and trying to slow the damage.
There’s without a doubt good people working for ICE, because the whole department isn’t just enforcers.
No. There are no good people working for ICE. They are hand picked to be racist and cruel.
So the mailroom clerk was handpicked to be racist and cruel? I’m sure the custodial staff and maintenance crew were handpicked to be racist and cruel too, right?
ICE has “direct hire authority”. This means they can fill positions without any justification of their hiring process or that the competitive hiring process was used. This is NOT how the government is supposed to operate. The mail room clerks are all going to be family and friends of existing ICE employees. The cleaning staff will be from a 3rd party.
ICE is all hand picked and hand groomed evil, a new Nazi SS in its infancy.
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Lol, the mods buy into your bullshit, I guess.
Hand picked from a self-selected pool of the racist and cruel.
This is the thread for Facebook pitchforks, the thread for reason is that way —>
A bad apple spoils the bunch.
We tend to leave the spoiling part out of the metaphor for some reason…
