DHS issues writs for ICE but since there is no court hearing these cases, there is no warrant that ICE can obtain. The DOJ has said there is no warrant required…which is spurious as that goes against the 4th amendment. ICE will call a writ a warrant, and often journalists will write what they’re told. See these articles regarding a different arrest below
There is not a court that ICE has access to that will issue a valid warrant. This is why the DOJ just said it doesn’t matter if there is a warrant or not. ICE is flagrantly defying the 4th amendment. That other case, ICE can be heard in a recording telling Mahmoud’s wife that they have a warrant. Now they say that they never had/needed one in the first place.
The issue is that ICE cannot legally get a warrant for the people they are choosing to detain as they focus on families. The “dangerous criminals” that have real warrants, those are usually served/executed by the FBI, Marshalls, or local SWAT. I don’t know if you live in the US like I do, but this is a pretty serious issue as again, these writs are not warrants, ICE does not have access to a warrant as that’s not how our courts are set up nor is it how their department was set up.
Both of the resources I listed at the top of my response explain this in depth. The last link I shared was for context.
Law enforcement officers have a duty of care. If they execute a no knock warrant at an address that is no longer valid and get shot in the process it is likely there would be no criminal culpability for the homeowner if it’s in a castle doctrine state.
If there was, I didn’t see it but as the Executive will find out if there was, it’s not up to them, it’s up to the Judicial.
The person currently occupying the White House is not a king. Much as he might like to believe otherwise.
I’m a law abiding citizen of the United States. If someone breaks into my home have every reason to believe they’re hostile and won’t hesitate to use deadly force to protect myself and my family.
Just as there is no for cops murdering pretty much anyone for anything on the clock. “Standing your ground” to these bastards is plain playing with fire. If you’re not perfectly white and very lucky, you’ll be just signing your own death warrant.
They’re right, but only in a very theoretical sense. As in, it’s true that you can legally shoot at officers who don’t identify themselves in self-defense, but whether that’s actually how things work in court is an entirely other matter.
I didn’t realize I was giving legal advice. I was pointing out their duty of care based on the training and education I received while pursuing a bachelors degree for law enforcement.
Was there something specific you’re taking issue with or did you just want to snark?
it wouldn’t matter. we’re not far from (in both directions really) the state doing Philly level bombings of entire blocks to get at the people they claim are the bad guys.
Breonna’s BF got the charges dropped after shooting those cops in their apartment.
Of course, the police harassed him for years during and after the case was decided. They also tried to get Breonna’s ex (the guy they were looking for) to lie about hiding at her apartment sometimes, luckily, he didn’t take the cushy plea deal they dangled to implicate Breonna and her BF.
I was thinking of a custom “Free Bullets with Every Forced Entry” sign.
They had military grade weapons .
Doesn’t “military grade” mean from the cheapest bidder?
99% of the time. Keeping in mind of course that “military contract” adds several zeros to the end of any bill
So do we
We can’t use fully auto
You can. It’s illegal in your country. Just like breaking down your door without a warrant.
With the correct FFL you can.
Also there are Forced Reset Triggers.
Are their faces military grade?
No, they had a writ from DHS it was not a valid warrant.
Source? I copied that from the article.
https://www.employmentlawletter.com/2025/01/what-organizations-should-know-about-ice-enforcement-actions/
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/ice_warrants_summary.pdf
DHS issues writs for ICE but since there is no court hearing these cases, there is no warrant that ICE can obtain. The DOJ has said there is no warrant required…which is spurious as that goes against the 4th amendment. ICE will call a writ a warrant, and often journalists will write what they’re told. See these articles regarding a different arrest below
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ice+mahmoud&t=fpas&ia=web
That doesn’t say anything about this case. Given it wasn’t just ICE involved, it’s possible that a judicial warrant was obtained.
There is not a court that ICE has access to that will issue a valid warrant. This is why the DOJ just said it doesn’t matter if there is a warrant or not. ICE is flagrantly defying the 4th amendment. That other case, ICE can be heard in a recording telling Mahmoud’s wife that they have a warrant. Now they say that they never had/needed one in the first place.
The issue is that ICE cannot legally get a warrant for the people they are choosing to detain as they focus on families. The “dangerous criminals” that have real warrants, those are usually served/executed by the FBI, Marshalls, or local SWAT. I don’t know if you live in the US like I do, but this is a pretty serious issue as again, these writs are not warrants, ICE does not have access to a warrant as that’s not how our courts are set up nor is it how their department was set up.
Both of the resources I listed at the top of my response explain this in depth. The last link I shared was for context.
Are those even legit anymore? Any idiot judge (or DOGE script kiddie pretending to be one) can sign one.
I’m just responding the the meme asking Police to come back with a warrant
if the law is on their side, why are they wearing masks?
I’ve been saying this too! Why not show your faces if you think you’re doing the right thing?!?!?
Law enforcement officers have a duty of care. If they execute a no knock warrant at an address that is no longer valid and get shot in the process it is likely there would be no criminal culpability for the homeowner if it’s in a castle doctrine state.
Wasn’t there an executive order issued today that seemed to imply that wouldn’t matter?
If there was, I didn’t see it but as the Executive will find out if there was, it’s not up to them, it’s up to the Judicial.
The person currently occupying the White House is not a king. Much as he might like to believe otherwise.
I’m a law abiding citizen of the United States. If someone breaks into my home have every reason to believe they’re hostile and won’t hesitate to use deadly force to protect myself and my family.
Even if be were called “King” rather than “President”, the Constitution is still a thing. He can call himself whatever, really.
Funny thing is, many citizens of the US seem to have less rights and priviledges than subjects of the UK.
Just as there is no for cops murdering pretty much anyone for anything on the clock. “Standing your ground” to these bastards is plain playing with fire. If you’re not perfectly white and very lucky, you’ll be just signing your own death warrant.
Does lemmy have a sub for badlegaladvice? This comment feels like a prime candidate :)
They’re right, but only in a very theoretical sense. As in, it’s true that you can legally shoot at officers who don’t identify themselves in self-defense, but whether that’s actually how things work in court is an entirely other matter.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/10/1175268778/minneapolis-police-officer-felony-assault-black-man-george-floyd
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/08/us/kenneth-walker-breonna-taylor-dismissed-charges/index.html
I didn’t realize I was giving legal advice. I was pointing out their duty of care based on the training and education I received while pursuing a bachelors degree for law enforcement.
Was there something specific you’re taking issue with or did you just want to snark?
it wouldn’t matter. we’re not far from (in both directions really) the state doing Philly level bombings of entire blocks to get at the people they claim are the bad guys.
Breonna’s BF got the charges dropped after shooting those cops in their apartment.
Of course, the police harassed him for years during and after the case was decided. They also tried to get Breonna’s ex (the guy they were looking for) to lie about hiding at her apartment sometimes, luckily, he didn’t take the cushy plea deal they dangled to implicate Breonna and her BF.
He did and I’d say that was emblematic of what’s happening now on a smaller scale.
The charges were dropped in that case because the Judicial system is still hanging on on the US.
Meanwhile, the police, part of the broken Executive, harassed and targeted him when they were the ones who violated their duty of care.
Meanwhile the Legislative is off in the corner eating paint chips or some bullshit.