On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR “apology” (ironic)
On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR “apology” (ironic)
My rights are not a controversy. You’re just a bigot.
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they are not bigot, they just dont live in an echo chamber.
whether you like it or not, there’s lots people not thinking like you. I’m not one of them, just to clarify before I suddenly become a bigot, but people like that do exist, in masses
If you “have an opinion about transgender people” that involves taking away their rights, or putting them in harms way and that prioritises the needs of everyone else first, and the needs of trans people last, if at all, then you have a bigoted opinion.
I know its a huge job but will Blahaj ever consider migrating to PieFed over this (presumably when the tooling ia ready)?
Yep, it’s absolutely something we’d consider once database migration becomes possible
and where exactly was that my opinion? it is not an opinion, that such people exist. that is a sad and hard fact.
but sure, kill the messenger, call me a bigot for pointing out reality.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking in general, and the specific context was the person earlier in this discussion, who you explicitly stated is not a bigot.
So where exactly did the earlier guy state that was his opinion? He got called a bigot simply immediately after calling the issue controversial, not because he said he believed the things that you claimed.
Again, if you “have an opinion about transgender people” that involves taking away their rights, or putting them in harms way and that prioritises the needs of everyone else first, and the needs of trans people last, if at all, then you have a bigoted opinion. It’s a universal statement.
The person you were replying to described Nutomics position as “It’s hard for me to imagine a more agreeable and reasonable statement.” And as a reminder, Nutomics post was a statement complaining about pride flags on public buildings, calling transgender women “men” and stating that trans folk are a conspiracy/distraction pushed by the bourgeoisie, despite rich conservatives being largely responsible for the wave of trans hatred we’re currently experiencing.
That is pure transphobia.
welcome to mog. Curious what you think
True, he did say that on another comment, but the argument given here for why he is a bigot is not that comment, its the fact that he said this is a controversial topic.
If the guy who accused him of being a bigot wasn’t simply referring to his argument about the controversial nature but based on his actually bigoted views, then he should make it clearer.
We should have better standards of communication when accusing people of being a bigot, because badly delivered sane messages can actually sound pretty insane to people who weren’t in the loop from the start.
The guy is defending a bigoted opinion. End of story.
A lot of people thought that blacks shouldn’t be allowed to go to school.
yes, and what does it matter here? that’s another example of a controversial thing
Technically, they are controversial. There are people who support your right to live and there are people who dont support it
If half of humans thought water was dangerous, drinking water would be a controversial topic
Its not black and white like that. There are people who support trans people but are concerned about the medicine and psychology, considering how young and mistake prone those fields are. Keep in mind there was a time where labotomies were defended in a similar way.
There are also people who arent on either extreme, but that doesnt really matter in the context of deciding if a subject is controversial or not
I don’t think taking HRT and getting a literal lobotomy are equal…
Probably not 1:1 but the point is that its risky when medicine moves too quickly, and human ego has proven to be an extremely potent force. I use extreme examples to make a point.
Mainly what concerns me right now is that people who have concerns or questions about the medicine or science are routinely harassed and/or banned from trans communities. That, and the amount of faith the general public has in our understanding of psychology.
because the science is there and they keep dringing up the one study that has been wildly discredited.
What science? Which field? I’m not talking about disagreeing over whether gender dysphoria exists, I know it does. The discussion to be had is ehat can we do to fix and/or prevent it from happening. Its very hard to have these conversations in trans spaces though.
That’s because those conversations belong in healthcare spaces. Academic spaces. Political spaces.
Would you walk into an NA meeting, and expect them to welcome you and talk to you about the fentanyl crisis?
elaborate?
Healthcare has been moving in this direction since at least… oh, that’s right, the Third Reich. It’s not moving too fast right now, it’s been moving too slow for the last century.
Which trans communities? There are some that are open to educating others. There are some that are not. It is absolutely not a trans person or community’s responsibility to educate you, and sometimes people want to have a space to exist without constantly justifying that existence to others. Even good faith questions can be exhausting when it’s your life that is being questioned.
Exactly what questions do you consider to be valid, good faith questions, presented to people or communities that are open to this discussion, and yet result in harassment?
Even this attitude of educating others, like every trans person is suddenly an expert in psychology or something. The way you frame it furthers the exclusivity of the group, which is odd to me because I would think trans people would want more people in their communities.
The education isn’t a teacher to a student. It’s a person revealing their life experience to others. Maybe they don’t want to constantly talk about their life experience with people who might not understand.
Why would you think that should be a universal thing, for communities to want to constantly expand and include people that may not share the same values as the community?
Would you expect every religious person to answer every concern or question that you have about their religion? Would you walk into a church, and expect the average parishioner to hear your concerns about the afterlife, and questions about inconsistencies in the bible?
If you don’t know how to sew, and will never sew a garment in your life, would you walk into a sewing club and expect them to welcome you in?
Or would you understand that maybe they’re in their own place, and don’t want to talk to you?
I repeat:
What rights do non trans have that the trans don’t?
How about re-entering the US as a US citizen with a passport doesn’t have a gender matching their birth certificate?
Yeah, that’s a thing that’s happened in the last 100-ish days…
Not going to bite at this too hard, but how about starting with using a bathroom that matches their identity without people freaking out and trying to arrest them in several states?
What about people who don’t fit into a gender binary? How are they supposed to find a bathroom that matches their specific identity?
They just pick whichever one is the most convenient to use at the time.
So its OK to force people to go into a bathroom that doesn’t match their identity?
Moving the goalposts, 5-yard penalty.
Who’s forcing anyone? There are bathrooms, they can use whichever they want. All bathrooms should be unisex anyway.
You clearly don’t actually know anyone who’s enby and just like inventing problems.
Should these unisex bathrooms have urinals?
Sure, and maybe bidets too, they seem nice.
Moving the goalposts, five-yard penalty.
They get both options, depends on how one feels that day. Or, maybe we just make it universal to not specify who a room is for and get over it.
How I wish everyone would just switch to “has urinals and stalls” and “only has stalls” and be done with it.
This is, to be honest, the only correct solution to the bathroom issue. Make em universal and make the stalls more private so people don’t feel as vulnerable to share bathrooms.
The right to live as the gender you want
That is a right u got in most first world countries.
List some examples. Very few countries have equal right for trans people enshrined in law. Certainly not in the US or the UK.
In Australia, UK, nz, and I’m sure a bunch of places in Europe. Its illegal to discriminate based upon gender identity.
The rest of the rights are given to all people regardless of how they identify.
Didn’t hear about the recent Supreme Court ruling on trans women in the UK, huh? The others countries you mentioned might be fine for all I know, but I guarantee you that the vast majority of the world does not live in countries with trans rights enshrined in law.
What did the ruling actually change? A majority of the world doesn’t recognise gay rights 3rd world gonna 3rd world regardless of what we say or do.
Please go into detail about the Supreme Court ruling
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/understanding-implications-uk-supreme-courts-ruling
Even in Canada and America it’s illegal to discriminate based on identity. It’s mostly 2nd and 3rd world countries that don’t have much for protections. Excluding the UK of course, they’re being weird about it.
I just read up on the UK ruling. Its only change is that single sex spaces are based upon biological sex not gender identity. Trans still have all protections under the anti decriminalisation and equality laws.
that’s… discrimination based on gender…
how did you not connect the dots that discriminating based on biological sex is DIRECTLY discriminating transgender people??