Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
Yea it’s less than wonderful. You’ll have some places that are beautiful and flourishing right next to a place that’s barely standing. The paint, building materials, etc gets divvied out based on bribes to the govt.
Cuba pretty much sucks, but their healthcare is really really good.
Thanks, so the nearest thing to socialism is what Trump is doing, being elected by workers, trying to intervene into businesses using the government power to make them adopt his own views even if detrimental to the businesses themselves. Protectionism isn’t a right wing policy, it’s a left wing policy. Usually, the right wing is favorable to free markets and free trade and low level of government involvement into businesses.
Frankly, the Republicans should be horrified by these policies and the direction this administration is heading to.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.
Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
What does it have to do with the fact you cannot identify a single socialist country where the workers are actually the owners of the production means?
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
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So, socialism doesn’t exist according to your definition since nowhere on this planet workers control shit.
Ask former Soviet workers, Chinese workers, Cuban workers, North Korean workers and Vietnamese workers how much control on production they have.
Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
Grow up, but read a book or two first.
I’ve been to China. I’ve been to Cuba. Have you?
I’ve been to cuba, most I talked to described it as a censorship filled shithole, but that’s over 10 years ago now anyway.
Yea it’s less than wonderful. You’ll have some places that are beautiful and flourishing right next to a place that’s barely standing. The paint, building materials, etc gets divvied out based on bribes to the govt.
Cuba pretty much sucks, but their healthcare is really really good.
Yes you are correct in that real socialism was never implemented.
Socialism is when workers control the means of production and the surplus generated from their work.
When the government controls these things, like with communism, it’s state capitalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
Thanks, so the nearest thing to socialism is what Trump is doing, being elected by workers, trying to intervene into businesses using the government power to make them adopt his own views even if detrimental to the businesses themselves. Protectionism isn’t a right wing policy, it’s a left wing policy. Usually, the right wing is favorable to free markets and free trade and low level of government involvement into businesses.
Frankly, the Republicans should be horrified by these policies and the direction this administration is heading to.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Apparently capitalist systems devolve into authoritarianism; as evidenced by living in 2025.
Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.
… Or as shown by the west for the past 150+ years
Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?
Don’t tell all the tankies.
How in god’s name is this promoting worker ownership of Apple’s phone production processes?
Last time I looked, the Soviet, Chinese and North Korean people didn’t own shit.
You just named 3 locations that aren’t socialist and of the three, one that no longer exists. Nice job.
Name just one where workers actually control something for fun.
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
A coop isn’t a country Peter Pan.
Vietnam… but why the hell do you need some rando on Lemmy to educate you?
Name one country that was either socialist or communist in the past that the USA didn’t proactively fuck with to try to harm at the time?
What does it have to do with the fact you cannot identify a single socialist country where the workers are actually the owners of the production means?
You are living in a imaginary world.
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