I also agree that society should tolerate freedom of speech. But when that freedom of speech is being used to weaponize and remove others’ freedom of speech, we should not tolerate that.
Paradox of intolerance is largely irrelevant. Democracies don’t collapse because of free speech, they collapse because the public loses faith in them (justified or not).
If you run around making wild statements, the public isn’t going to automatically believe you unless it corresponds with some personal experience or observation. This is why libertarian and socialist movements (and Nazi movements) crash and burn in the US. There claims just don’t correspond with how people perceive there country.
The concept of tolerance is not and never has been about accepting the choices and actions of other people without exception. You do not tolerate someone punching you in the face. You do not tolerate someone diddling kids. You do not tolerate Nazis. By ignoring these actions you are not indicating tolerance, you are indicating ACCEPTANCE. You’re fine with Nazis, and diddlers, and people randomly punching you in the face.
Calling this “tolerance” reeks of “well ackshully…” at the highest academic level. It’s intentionally misunderstanding a human concept in favor of a dictionary definition.
You are never intolerant of intolerance, you REJECT intolerance, making the whole thing moot.
Also the whole concept gives Nazis a reason to whine about “discrimination” while they’re being woodchippered and those little bitches already scream enough when fed in feet-first.
That’s actually intentional. Popper’s philosophical wanking has been wildly co-opted and twisted by the right. ‘So much for the tolerant left!’ they cry. Like the ‘meet me in the middle’ argument it’s designed to just shit the waters up.
I ain’t meeting the cunts in the middle and who the fuck told you i was the tolerant left.
If you’re using the Nazi salute to hail a tram, you’re definitely doing it wrong.
First of all, the tram will stop if you’re just standing at a stop, so it’s unnecessary, and if you insist on hailing, you could do it without stretching your arm all the way.
So fucking sick of this 'what if you this" “but whatif you that” ‘won’t someone pleeeeaaase think of the innocents!!’ like a nazi salute is easily mistaken for something else.
You mistake is assuming the law is being applied in good faith.
Of course hailing a tram is obviously different than a Nazi salute to anyone.
But the objective is not to detect Nazis , it’s to find an excuse to harass and intimidate people.
This is just another tool in their belt.
With a new law, you should always think of how it’s going to be like if applied by the most bigoted racist police officer in existence. And what mechanisms you have in place to stop that officer.
We had literal fucking nazis demonstrating and throwing salutes with no way to gut the little cunts for it. It pissed a LOT of people off. There was a whole damned thing about banning iconography and salutes that has been going on for over a year. Which you would know if you were aware of what actually goes on down here.
We want this fucking law because we don’t tolerate nazi shits.
The cops can get you for looking funny, they don’t need fake hitler salute claims
So hailing a tram will now be an open hand wave?
That is kind of my concern as well, it’s a pretty decent defense if caught.
Additionally, while I think nazis are the literal worst, I don’t think anyone’s right to communicate should be impeded.
“Fine, that explains the hand gesture, but how do you explain the WWII Wehrmacht uniform?”
Halloween?
Look up the paradox of intolerance.
I also agree that society should tolerate freedom of speech. But when that freedom of speech is being used to weaponize and remove others’ freedom of speech, we should not tolerate that.
Yeah man, if we tolerate those damn tram-hailers it’s a slippery slope from there right down to fascism
They were defending the usage of Nazi salutes, not the right to hail a tram lol
I read that as “ham-trailers” and that sounds like the perfect term for people the size of NFL linemen.
Because of all the political power Nazis have…
Paradox of intolerance is largely irrelevant. Democracies don’t collapse because of free speech, they collapse because the public loses faith in them (justified or not).
If you run around making wild statements, the public isn’t going to automatically believe you unless it corresponds with some personal experience or observation. This is why libertarian and socialist movements (and Nazi movements) crash and burn in the US. There claims just don’t correspond with how people perceive there country.
Or don’t look up the paradox of intolerance because it’s nothing more than linguistic masturbation.
For the sake of discussion, would you mind explaining why you feel this way?
The concept of tolerance is not and never has been about accepting the choices and actions of other people without exception. You do not tolerate someone punching you in the face. You do not tolerate someone diddling kids. You do not tolerate Nazis. By ignoring these actions you are not indicating tolerance, you are indicating ACCEPTANCE. You’re fine with Nazis, and diddlers, and people randomly punching you in the face.
Calling this “tolerance” reeks of “well ackshully…” at the highest academic level. It’s intentionally misunderstanding a human concept in favor of a dictionary definition.
You are never intolerant of intolerance, you REJECT intolerance, making the whole thing moot.
Also the whole concept gives Nazis a reason to whine about “discrimination” while they’re being woodchippered and those little bitches already scream enough when fed in feet-first.
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Tolerance is a social contract. If people aren’t taking part in that social contact they don’t deserve the benefits of it.
Quoth the Prophet Lana: Yyyyyyyyyyyyup.
That’s actually intentional. Popper’s philosophical wanking has been wildly co-opted and twisted by the right. ‘So much for the tolerant left!’ they cry. Like the ‘meet me in the middle’ argument it’s designed to just shit the waters up.
I ain’t meeting the cunts in the middle and who the fuck told you i was the tolerant left.
If you’re using the Nazi salute to hail a tram, you’re definitely doing it wrong.
First of all, the tram will stop if you’re just standing at a stop, so it’s unnecessary, and if you insist on hailing, you could do it without stretching your arm all the way.
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Then don’t hail a tram while wearing a fucking Nazi uniform and shouting Nazi slogans while demonstrating with a bunch of fucking Nazis.
“TRAM HEIL! TRAM HEIL! TRAM HEIL!”
Haha. Made me laugh there.
Happy that Naziism is becoming illegal, not so happy its the cops making the call
So fucking sick of this 'what if you this" “but whatif you that” ‘won’t someone pleeeeaaase think of the innocents!!’ like a nazi salute is easily mistaken for something else.
It fucking isn’t.
You mistake is assuming the law is being applied in good faith.
Of course hailing a tram is obviously different than a Nazi salute to anyone.
But the objective is not to detect Nazis , it’s to find an excuse to harass and intimidate people.
This is just another tool in their belt.
With a new law, you should always think of how it’s going to be like if applied by the most bigoted racist police officer in existence. And what mechanisms you have in place to stop that officer.
Your mistake is talking out your arse.
We had literal fucking nazis demonstrating and throwing salutes with no way to gut the little cunts for it. It pissed a LOT of people off. There was a whole damned thing about banning iconography and salutes that has been going on for over a year. Which you would know if you were aware of what actually goes on down here.
We want this fucking law because we don’t tolerate nazi shits.
The cops can get you for looking funny, they don’t need fake hitler salute claims