That action: salute back
Well, at least they will easily recognize it.
Gonna make police federation meetings awkward.
This is the way.
I’m going to enjoy the tears of the masses.
The Nazis are not the masses and shouldn’t be conflate with them. The libs crying over “free speech” for Nazis are also a minority.
Why would anyone (except nazis) weep about this ?
Funny how hexbear is against Nazis, except if it is russian or chinese Nazis
Good. There should be no room for hate, let Nazis rot in the bins of history where they belong.
Liberal fascists: “Let me tell you why this is scary”
I’m assuming your down votes are coming from people who don’t realise that the “Liberals” are Australia’s more conservative party.
Yeah pretty much. It’s like that where I live too. It’s just Americans have a choice between the fascist liberal party and the pedo neo-nazi party so they think liberalism is a progressive camp when it’s anything but.
Excellent law. This should be adopted worldwide.
Good. Fuck the Nazis
I hate those guys !
Except when it’s other cops.
Also a quick reminder that swastikas drawn in permanent marker can be wiped off some surfaces with a solvent, such as by using alcohol based hand sanitizer on a tissue. Both come in travel sizes.
As for ones that cannot be cleaned off, well there’s absolutely nothing you can do about that. It cannot be helped. You wouldn’t want to get caught undoing a hate symbol by drawing over it in a hilarious but completely illegal way.
Such vandalism is reserved for your own belongings because graffiti of public property is a crime. ☝️
Report it in the Snap send solve app. It will alert the council and they’ll remove it within a day usually.
I forgot the /s tag
But yeah that also works
I feel like this is a pointless and totally useless crime for anyone to tackle. Like if someone drew a dick on my face with permanent marker, or spraypainted my house, I would be more concerned about why they didn’t have a job rather than the actual act of spray painting to begin with. My personal take at least is that there’s worse crimes out there
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Please hold the next republican convention here.
Our republicans are sane. Please keep your republicans away
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The real question is how do we set them on each other
So hailing a tram will now be an open hand wave?
So fucking sick of this 'what if you this" “but whatif you that” ‘won’t someone pleeeeaaase think of the innocents!!’ like a nazi salute is easily mistaken for something else.
It fucking isn’t.
You mistake is assuming the law is being applied in good faith.
Of course hailing a tram is obviously different than a Nazi salute to anyone.
But the objective is not to detect Nazis , it’s to find an excuse to harass and intimidate people.
This is just another tool in their belt.With a new law, you should always think of how it’s going to be like if applied by the most bigoted racist police officer in existence. And what mechanisms you have in place to stop that officer.
Your mistake is talking out your arse.
We had literal fucking nazis demonstrating and throwing salutes with no way to gut the little cunts for it. It pissed a LOT of people off. There was a whole damned thing about banning iconography and salutes that has been going on for over a year. Which you would know if you were aware of what actually goes on down here.
We want this fucking law because we don’t tolerate nazi shits.
The cops can get you for looking funny, they don’t need fake hitler salute claims
Happy that Naziism is becoming illegal, not so happy its the cops making the call
That is kind of my concern as well, it’s a pretty decent defense if caught.
Additionally, while I think nazis are the literal worst, I don’t think anyone’s right to communicate should be impeded.
“Fine, that explains the hand gesture, but how do you explain the WWII Wehrmacht uniform?”
Halloween?
Then don’t hail a tram while wearing a fucking Nazi uniform and shouting Nazi slogans while demonstrating with a bunch of fucking Nazis.
“TRAM HEIL! TRAM HEIL! TRAM HEIL!”
Haha. Made me laugh there.
Look up the paradox of intolerance.
I also agree that society should tolerate freedom of speech. But when that freedom of speech is being used to weaponize and remove others’ freedom of speech, we should not tolerate that.
Because of all the political power Nazis have…
Paradox of intolerance is largely irrelevant. Democracies don’t collapse because of free speech, they collapse because the public loses faith in them (justified or not).
If you run around making wild statements, the public isn’t going to automatically believe you unless it corresponds with some personal experience or observation. This is why libertarian and socialist movements (and Nazi movements) crash and burn in the US. There claims just don’t correspond with how people perceive there country.
Or don’t look up the paradox of intolerance because it’s nothing more than linguistic masturbation.
For the sake of discussion, would you mind explaining why you feel this way?
The concept of tolerance is not and never has been about accepting the choices and actions of other people without exception. You do not tolerate someone punching you in the face. You do not tolerate someone diddling kids. You do not tolerate Nazis. By ignoring these actions you are not indicating tolerance, you are indicating ACCEPTANCE. You’re fine with Nazis, and diddlers, and people randomly punching you in the face.
Calling this “tolerance” reeks of “well ackshully…” at the highest academic level. It’s intentionally misunderstanding a human concept in favor of a dictionary definition.
You are never intolerant of intolerance, you REJECT intolerance, making the whole thing moot.
Also the whole concept gives Nazis a reason to whine about “discrimination” while they’re being woodchippered and those little bitches already scream enough when fed in feet-first.
Tolerance is a social contract. If people aren’t taking part in that social contact they don’t deserve the benefits of it.
Quoth the Prophet Lana: Yyyyyyyyyyyyup.
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That’s actually intentional. Popper’s philosophical wanking has been wildly co-opted and twisted by the right. ‘So much for the tolerant left!’ they cry. Like the ‘meet me in the middle’ argument it’s designed to just shit the waters up.
I ain’t meeting the cunts in the middle and who the fuck told you i was the tolerant left.
Yeah man, if we tolerate those damn tram-hailers it’s a slippery slope from there right down to fascism
I read that as “ham-trailers” and that sounds like the perfect term for people the size of NFL linemen.
They were defending the usage of Nazi salutes, not the right to hail a tram lol
If you’re using the Nazi salute to hail a tram, you’re definitely doing it wrong.
First of all, the tram will stop if you’re just standing at a stop, so it’s unnecessary, and if you insist on hailing, you could do it without stretching your arm all the way.
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Soon: “Victoria police completely imprisons itself”
Hmmm. Between 1am and 9am on a fuckin’ sunday this somehow gains an extra 39 comments
That’s not suspicious at all.
I was very confused. This had 40 upvotes within 40 minutes of posting it in the middle of the night
Edit: God damn typos
You know time zones exist right? 1am where you are is 6pm somewhere else?
You know you don’t have to comment on every news article that exists, right? And maybe if it’s something in an area you don’t live in we don’t care about your opinion.
if it’s something in an area you don’t live in we don’t care about your opinion.
Post on the internet where the entire world can see it.
This guy: “DON’T READ THIS! THIS ISN’T FOR YOU!”
yeah nah mate literally no one is saying that.
What has been intimated is “gee. it’s awfully strange how many people suddenly have opinions about a place they normally couldn’t give four shits about as soon as we start banning nazi shit.”
Read what you like, idgaf. but when something that introduces legislation suddenly blows up with OPINIIIONS from non regs? Yeah, you’re gonna get a side eye
and yeah, maybe we don’t give a shit about your opinions on how we ban nazis. Fuck’em
What has been intimated is "gee. it’s awfully strange how many people suddenly have opinions about a place they normally couldn’t give four shits about
Right, I’m sure you have no opinion on things like Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, or Donald Trump, or Brexit, because you don’t live in those areas.
and yeah, maybe we don’t give a shit about your opinions on how we ban nazis. Fuck’em
Never shared my opinion on how you ban nazis. Just pointing out how it doesn’t make sense to have a Lemmy post and think somehow only Australians can read it.
But seeing as you don’t live in my area I guess I don’t give a fuck if you don’t like my opinion. That’s apparently how this works right?
…yeah you keep going to that well. Hyperbole isn’t serving you the way you think it is.
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Sorry tiger you might want to try again. I’m Australian too. And that’s a ripper attitude, not at all insular and parochial.
My point was poking fun at these dorks trying to suggest the sudden influx of comments was some sort of global conspiracy rather than the existence of the northern hemisphere. Almost as dumb as the dorks suggesting people will now get arrested for “hailing a tram”.
Nobody was suggesting that. For the most part, people are surprised to see this make it outside of Australia. Most of the time people outside of Australia don’t care about Australian news, in the same way I don’t care about some obscure new law that’s been passed in Azerbaijan or Scotland. Nobody would expect minor Australian news to make it to all or active because 99% of things posted here are only seen by a few people on other instances. And before I realised it had done that, of course I thought it seemed fucking suspicious there were this many comments on and votes on a post here. Any sane person would.
Nobody? There’s multiple comments specifically calling it sus
Yes there are, but who suggested it’s a “global conspiracy”?
You know this is a relatively small instance created for Australia and Australian related things, right? And 1am where I am on the east coast is 10pm on the other side of the country, the furthest place I would’ve expected this post to spread, right?
I’ll assume you’re not a duck and don’t understand how mastodon works. The moment anyone from another instance - like me, an Australian in Australia but on a Canadian instance - subscribes to a community, that community becomes “synched” with their instance. Meaning everyone on my Canadian instance will now see this stuff on their All feed. Multiply that by who knows how many other Australians are on who knows how many other international instances, and you get comments at “1am” from people sitting on their couch browsing mastodon at 6pm.
Again, I wouldn’t have expected this to have been seen by many people outside of vic, let alone outside of Australia. There’s no need to be a dick about it, I just would not have expected it to make it outside of this instance. That is why I was surprised by the upvote count and the timeframe.
Also some people use “Top - Last Hour”, so it doesn’t take much to get it started. Better than Reddit on that way.
I am on a different lemmy instance altogether. I did not browse either by top>hour or anything. This just showed in the All feed in my app. Kinda like how something hit Reddit’s Frontpage, it seemed.
I know they’re all trying to be I Am Very Smart but damn if the sudden insistence by many people that They Should Speak And Be Heard Despite Having Zero Skin Here You Horrible Gatekeepers is really just supporting the theory skskskks
hello from Austria.
Austria isn’t Australia?! What a world!
hi from the internet!
It’s 9am in Moscow
Moscow =/= Australia