Legally it’s private property so they can stop you whenever they want. They just can’t take away what you’ve already won and you can’t be arrested for simply thinking.
Why would counting cards be forbidden? I feel like it’s the same as using a phone calculator in the grocery store to calculate the best unit price. Is it because it’s a casino and there are vastly different quantities of money at stake? As you can probably tell, I don’t know much about casinos.
If you use a calculator at a store, the store still makes money. No store is gonna sell at a loss regardless of the calculator. A casino deals in odds, and shifting the odds in your favor is not in the best interest of the casino for obvious reasons. They can’t stop you from thinking, but they can decide to stop playing with you at any point.
The point of a casino is for the house to get more from player losses, on average, than players get from the casino via wins. Card counting cuts into profits. At small scale it doesn’t really matter too much, and that’s why they discourage it, to make sure it stays small scale.
I see, it’s that there’s a direct conflict of interest, whereas a grocery store doesn’t exactly profit from you making a non-optimal choice of yogurt brand.
Companies can set their own policies as long as they’re not actually illegal/unconstitutional.
If a supermarket wanted to forbid using a phone/calculator or camera, they can almost certainly do so.
Other side of the world, but I’m pretty sure I heard of someone getting kicked out of a supermarket here in NZ because they worked for the competition and were copying down all the prices. I don’t remember if the competition regulator ended up making a statement on it
I have always heard that card counting is tolerated because it is somewhat difficult to accurately pull off amidst all the various distractions on a casino floor and making even one error can shift the advantage back to the casino by a power of 10. What they are trying to prevent is an organized group of people working together to determine when the count is in the player’s favor and then having a new bettor come in and make huge bets and then leave. The casino can combat this by preventing mid-shoe entry, lowering max bets, shuffling more often or using a continuous shuffle system. Then they ask you to leave if you still insist on running a counting scheme and can ban you from the casino, too.
They literally dgaf if you’re winning $200 at your $5 blackjack table.
Betting table max, 3 hands, out of nowhere is a big indication you’re counting. It is, after all, a betting strategy.
And casinos stop it because if they allow it it could shut the whole place down. A business that loses money doesn’t stay open for long.
I’ve been a shift manager at casinos for years. I can tell the counters a mile away. I can deal a shoe and tell you the count at any point. I don’t kick em out, but I’ll flat bet them. Say the betting spread is $5-$500, right? They’ve played 10 hands at $5, now they bet $500. I’ll walk over and place a new placard on the table, $25-$25. They can only bet $25 a hand, no variation.
Anyone who’s there to press an advantage will walk immediately. And then we’ll make a dossier on them and it’ll get shared, nationally.
Yep. It is like that. Would you expect less, c’mon.
It also depends on location. In Atlantic City for example card counting is considered playing the game well and you have a right to do that. Vegas on the other hand does not
In those places they just make the minimum and maximum bet whatever you bet on your first hand. Counting cards doesn’t work if you cannot change your bet.
Legally it’s private property so they can stop you whenever they want. They just can’t take away what you’ve already won and you can’t be arrested for simply thinking.
Why would counting cards be forbidden? I feel like it’s the same as using a phone calculator in the grocery store to calculate the best unit price. Is it because it’s a casino and there are vastly different quantities of money at stake? As you can probably tell, I don’t know much about casinos.
If you use a calculator at a store, the store still makes money. No store is gonna sell at a loss regardless of the calculator. A casino deals in odds, and shifting the odds in your favor is not in the best interest of the casino for obvious reasons. They can’t stop you from thinking, but they can decide to stop playing with you at any point.
So it’s that the grocery store never risks losing money to a singular customer. That makes sense.
The point of a casino is for the house to get more from player losses, on average, than players get from the casino via wins. Card counting cuts into profits. At small scale it doesn’t really matter too much, and that’s why they discourage it, to make sure it stays small scale.
I see, it’s that there’s a direct conflict of interest, whereas a grocery store doesn’t exactly profit from you making a non-optimal choice of yogurt brand.
Companies can set their own policies as long as they’re not actually illegal/unconstitutional.
If a supermarket wanted to forbid using a phone/calculator or camera, they can almost certainly do so.
Other side of the world, but I’m pretty sure I heard of someone getting kicked out of a supermarket here in NZ because they worked for the competition and were copying down all the prices. I don’t remember if the competition regulator ended up making a statement on it
Oh dear. That goes against the point of capitalism which is that competition makes for allocation efficiency.
I have always heard that card counting is tolerated because it is somewhat difficult to accurately pull off amidst all the various distractions on a casino floor and making even one error can shift the advantage back to the casino by a power of 10. What they are trying to prevent is an organized group of people working together to determine when the count is in the player’s favor and then having a new bettor come in and make huge bets and then leave. The casino can combat this by preventing mid-shoe entry, lowering max bets, shuffling more often or using a continuous shuffle system. Then they ask you to leave if you still insist on running a counting scheme and can ban you from the casino, too.
They literally dgaf if you’re winning $200 at your $5 blackjack table.
Its allowed. Using a tool to help you IS NOT.
Betting table max, 3 hands, out of nowhere is a big indication you’re counting. It is, after all, a betting strategy.
And casinos stop it because if they allow it it could shut the whole place down. A business that loses money doesn’t stay open for long.
I’ve been a shift manager at casinos for years. I can tell the counters a mile away. I can deal a shoe and tell you the count at any point. I don’t kick em out, but I’ll flat bet them. Say the betting spread is $5-$500, right? They’ve played 10 hands at $5, now they bet $500. I’ll walk over and place a new placard on the table, $25-$25. They can only bet $25 a hand, no variation.
Anyone who’s there to press an advantage will walk immediately. And then we’ll make a dossier on them and it’ll get shared, nationally.
Yep. It is like that. Would you expect less, c’mon.
That’s sad man
It also depends on location. In Atlantic City for example card counting is considered playing the game well and you have a right to do that. Vegas on the other hand does not
In those places they just make the minimum and maximum bet whatever you bet on your first hand. Counting cards doesn’t work if you cannot change your bet.