They really aren’t. The labor that went into it is already paid in full, even if what the labor created earns for another 20 years, that labor won’t see another dime for it. Can’t steal what isn’t there
It can happen in artistic fields like acting and game dev.
Fun fact: In game dev, at least, your initial payment to make a game is typically an advance on the share of the profits you’ll get. So terms like “$100k to start and then 10%” function more like “10% to a minimum of $100k” in the long term.
The boss pays me for my time, I’m never getting that time back so I’ve sold it and they own it, in fact, they even get to keep the work I produced during that time to go with it.
Sure, a court would charge you with different crimes, but the concept is the concept and a forum post is not court.
I prayed shit all the time when I couldn’t afford it. When I got money, I eventually rebuilt a lot of those games for convenience’s sake. Comics, not so much, but I have thousands upon thousands of them.
I did it because I couldn’t afford it. If you take something that is being sold, without paying for it, how is that concept not stealing?
I’m not exactly against piracy but I don’t see it as morally good. If anything I see it in the same way Gabe Newell sees piracy. It’s not a good or bad force but rather a sort of force of human nature that comes about when companies can’t make a decent service. The only way to kill piracy is by making a user experience that is better than constantly searching for torrents. You need a decent platform that people are willing to pay for. Enshitification is basically a summoning circle for pirates. Sirusly covering your platform with scam ads is just gonna make demand for ad blockers. Not selling old games at all is just gonna make demand for emulators. Charging $50 dollars for a text book is just gonna make demand for a PDF scans. It’s crap like that that makes me consider piracy good and a necessity today.
Someone is selling something I want. I either can’t, or don’t want to, pay for it, so I just take it. What’s the morality there?
Not sure why you need this spelled out. There are varying degrees of “wrong.” They’re still all on one side of the spectrum.
I support piracy the same way I support shoplifting of certain goods - it’s a social subsidy for poor people because we as a society don’t guarantee enough spending power.
Well that and the generally ethical piracy of archival/illegal distribution to overcome laws.
You want your generalized term (barking) to be the central point then narrow to your difference (different barks).
Yours set the broad precedent of heat/fire being hot (theft being wrong) but not all heat being fire. I understood your intent, but what you’re literally saying here is that not all theft is piracy, which is true but irrelevant.
By a similar token, wage theft isn’t a big deal because it’s not like you’re owning the person.
Or taking ownership of a rental car without permissions or any sort of exchange
I don’t make money off of the things I pirate.
No but you’re stealing the labor of others who did make it.
They really aren’t. The labor that went into it is already paid in full, even if what the labor created earns for another 20 years, that labor won’t see another dime for it. Can’t steal what isn’t there
It can happen in artistic fields like acting and game dev.
Fun fact: In game dev, at least, your initial payment to make a game is typically an advance on the share of the profits you’ll get. So terms like “$100k to start and then 10%” function more like “10% to a minimum of $100k” in the long term.
The boss pays me for my time, I’m never getting that time back so I’ve sold it and they own it, in fact, they even get to keep the work I produced during that time to go with it.
Low effort argument.
How’s that corporate cock tasting these days?
Understanding basic concepts is not sucking corporate cock lmao
You can be honest about piracy man. It’s ok.
Now I get your username. SCB = sucking corporate boner
It’s actually shorthand for Smooth Cocoa Butter.
No, the people who made it got paid. Their labor was compensated by their employer.
I’m with you here. My up vote won’t help much, but you’re spot on. This thread is so strange.
Oh no, not the poor greedy executives!? Noooooooooo
Not the place for soapboxing
“saying true things” is not “soapboxing.”
I’ve probably pirated more total tb than half the people here, but have the intellectual honesty to own what you’re doing.
You’re good at intellectual property rights violations. You broke the law. And yet, you did not steal .
Sure, a court would charge you with different crimes, but the concept is the concept and a forum post is not court.
I prayed shit all the time when I couldn’t afford it. When I got money, I eventually rebuilt a lot of those games for convenience’s sake. Comics, not so much, but I have thousands upon thousands of them.
I did it because I couldn’t afford it. If you take something that is being sold, without paying for it, how is that concept not stealing?
Bro you can’t be helped
I am aware that we disagree.
Your right taking a topic to a place that is not talking about that thing is.
Buddy, read the room. You’re not changing anyone’s minds by following me from other posts.
I see this a lot on Lemmy. Smaller communities. The human trolls are funnier and sadder.
The money I would pay to study some of them like a bug…
You mean with a magnifying glass and some sunlight? 🙊
Oooooh good idea. What’s your hypothesis, good person?
This is a weird take to have.
I have 0 problem with piracy but this sub claiming is as a morally superior thing to do really bugs me.
I’m not exactly against piracy but I don’t see it as morally good. If anything I see it in the same way Gabe Newell sees piracy. It’s not a good or bad force but rather a sort of force of human nature that comes about when companies can’t make a decent service. The only way to kill piracy is by making a user experience that is better than constantly searching for torrents. You need a decent platform that people are willing to pay for. Enshitification is basically a summoning circle for pirates. Sirusly covering your platform with scam ads is just gonna make demand for ad blockers. Not selling old games at all is just gonna make demand for emulators. Charging $50 dollars for a text book is just gonna make demand for a PDF scans. It’s crap like that that makes me consider piracy good and a necessity today.
Don’t really disagree with this at all. My only complaint is when the “It’s totally moral and good and right” justifications come along
Explain morality as it pertains to piracy.
Someone is selling something I want. I either can’t, or don’t want to, pay for it, so I just take it. What’s the morality there?
Not sure why you need this spelled out. There are varying degrees of “wrong.” They’re still all on one side of the spectrum.
I support piracy the same way I support shoplifting of certain goods - it’s a social subsidy for poor people because we as a society don’t guarantee enough spending power.
Well that and the generally ethical piracy of archival/illegal distribution to overcome laws.
What is Netflix selling?
Access to content. Same as Steam.
Can you own access? It isn’t tangible.
You can buy a lot of things that aren’t tangible. The entire service industry is built on that concept.
Fire is Hot
Not all Hot is Fire.
Yes, there are different types of theft.
Fire:piracy as Theft:heat in your analogy.
Well, since analogy seems to be your weak point:
not all piracy is theft
EZPZ.
Per your own analogy, that’s not what you set up.
What you’d want to do is something like this
“All dogs bark, but not all dogs bark the same.”
You want your generalized term (barking) to be the central point then narrow to your difference (different barks).
Yours set the broad precedent of heat/fire being hot (theft being wrong) but not all heat being fire. I understood your intent, but what you’re literally saying here is that not all theft is piracy, which is true but irrelevant.
Wrong.
All fire is hot.
Not everything that’s hot is fire.
You failed to understand the analogy yet again.
I made no statements about the morality of piracy, I was just pointing out the false equivalency in your statement about “similar tokens”.
You equated wage theft with piracy somehow, and ownership with slavery I guess? I’m not even sure, your analogy was a mess.
So I broke it down for you and skipped the analogies in my reply, so as not to confuse the point you seem to be missing: Not all piracy is theft.
ez.
pz.
I don’t misunderstand you. I even acknowledged your intended point in my breakdown.
I never said “not all theft is piracy”.
I said “not all piracy is theft”.
Words need to be in a certain order to convey a specific meaning.