Documents show industry intends to go ‘full force’ in arguing meat is beneficial to the environment at climate summit

This fucking sucks, the Great Satan needs to be forced to embrace the Great Seitan amerikkkavegan-seitan

(so does the rest of the first world but Great Satan/Seitan was funnier)

        • Omniraptor [they/them]English
          7•2 years ago

          yea this is one case where you/we (vegans) are obligated to do a bit. maybe not so far as to kill individual animals but definitely work to reduce their reproduction and therefore future population

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]English
            3•2 years ago

            Didn’t the mass euthanasia of muscrats in Finland due to covid basically kill the industry overnight?

            Unless we’re going to somehow re-home millions of chattel animals, or release them to the wild where they’ll terrorize the local ecosystem I don’t really know that the solution is.

            Maybe maintain the farm until they die? But if it’s a battery farm then that’s not a way to live.

            • xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]English
              3•2 years ago

              Theres 1.5 billion chickens in the United States. It’s hard to imagine.

              E: now that I can type a little more, Just going by the free range guidelines from the usda (generally focused on production instead of quality of life), they would need 345 thousand acres of forage land and half that much in coop space.

              • invalidusernamelol [he/him]English
                3•2 years ago

                Yeah, which was kinda why I mentioned the effect that mass euthanasia had on the fur industry. The death machines have a lot of momentum, and that works both ways. They’re really hard to start back up if they are stopped.

      • EffortPostMcGee [any]English
        11•2 years ago

        The part I’ve just never understood is why that is a necessary position to hold for a ‘leftist’ political project to be not derided as incoherent/inconsistent, given by the fact that many/a majority of leftist political projects both contain non-vegan comrades that contribute/have contributed greatly to building left politics and of which those projects have not/ are not making veganism a large priority in their political project.

        Do vegans here and in other leftist places claim that the lack of their sufficient account for these two components is a factor contributing to why they have failed? Furthermore, do they believe that if current AES projects were to make veganism a priority, that this would weaken the influence of bourgeois thought and strengthen the revolutions occurring there? If so, that’s fine by me for vegans to hold that position, I just don’t really see then what distinguishes that from the same kinds of arguments that Ultra’s and Maoist’s make about past/current socialist projects and why it’s just veganism that can’t be derided for doing it.