Saudi Arabia’s top diplomat has said the kingdom will not normalize relations with Israel or contribute to Gaza’s reconstruction without a credible pathway to a Palestinian state.
No that’s not what I meant. I’m blaming Zionists for the anti-semitism all Jews experience in the middle east. Because that’s exactly what happened; most Middle Eastern countries (including Ottoman Palestine) had Jews who could live peacefully before Zionists started their settler colonialism project. I’m not saying it’s justified, don’t get me wrong; it’s stupid and horrible and I sincerely believe the pogroms that happened in the Middle East at the time were unjustifiable atrocities. But, that doesn’t mean we should ignore the cause.
Yes? Especially if the territory of that state is forcibly taken away from others who are living on it
Creating the United States was similarly terrible as it involved the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Same with Australia. Same with South Africa. Same with Rhodesia.
Forcibly taking someone’s home and cleansing an area of an ethnicity is certainly regarded as one of the worst actions a group of people can do. And rightly so
Uh… Zionists had 28 years before the founding of Israel to get everyone to hate Jews all they want. Remember that the militias that formed the IDF were terrorist organizations before that, and the whole “let’s create an Apartheid state in Palestine” thing was inherently pretty objectionable.
It’s not even that. Zionists caused the Middle East to hate Jews.
The only thing you’re actually saying here is that you’re not familiar with the history of the Middle East prior to about 1948.
Uh… We should be counting from 1917, and before that point anti-semitism in the Middle East wasn’t anything close to the point it is today.
Blaming Jews for the antisemitism they experience is antisemitism 101, buddy.
No that’s not what I meant. I’m blaming Zionists for the anti-semitism all Jews experience in the middle east. Because that’s exactly what happened; most Middle Eastern countries (including Ottoman Palestine) had Jews who could live peacefully before Zionists started their settler colonialism project. I’m not saying it’s justified, don’t get me wrong; it’s stupid and horrible and I sincerely believe the pogroms that happened in the Middle East at the time were unjustifiable atrocities. But, that doesn’t mean we should ignore the cause.
Zionists does not equal Jews. There are plenty of Jews who aren’t Zionists and lots of Zionists who aren’t Jewish.
Yeah, nah. Their neighbors declared war on Israel the literal moment Israel was founded. They hadn’t even had time to piss anyone off.
Because the very creation of Israel was a settler colonialist state ethnically cleansing the local population.
I would say their neighbours had plenty to be pissed off about.
How? By this logic creating a state is the worst action a group of people can do.
When you do that on someone else’s land?
We call that colonialism and the people who’s land it was generally aren’t too thrilled
Yes? Especially if the territory of that state is forcibly taken away from others who are living on it
Creating the United States was similarly terrible as it involved the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Same with Australia. Same with South Africa. Same with Rhodesia.
Forcibly taking someone’s home and cleansing an area of an ethnicity is certainly regarded as one of the worst actions a group of people can do. And rightly so
Of course, the way Israel was created was not ideal. I do not agree that Israel should have forced people out.
Just like many Arab countries should not have forced Jews out.
But unfortunately, it’s not very feasible to return it to the previous state now…
A lot of countries have a right of return. It works just fine. They may not be able to get the family farm back, but we can’t win everything.
You see, we can’t win everything. Hence why we cannot “win” Palestine from the river to the sea.
Sure you can. Israel is doing it right now with genocide.
Uh… Zionists had 28 years before the founding of Israel to get everyone to hate Jews all they want. Remember that the militias that formed the IDF were terrorist organizations before that, and the whole “let’s create an Apartheid state in Palestine” thing was inherently pretty objectionable.
Nah uh! Recorded History starts in 1947!