I’m currently still using gmail unfortunately
Cock.li (airmail.cc)looks very nice but it is invite only
gmail because i love google!! nothing to hide, right?
edit: /s
Nothing to hide, but also nothing I want to share either…
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I use Protonmail as they offer quite a bit of privacy, offer lots of features, and are free. I particularly like that they protect from tracking pixels notifying the sender you read their email.
Protonmail and SimpleLogin has been a great combo.
They don’t support email clients in the free tier tho, so not exactly “free”.
Then pay for it if that’s a feature you want. They make a product, and want to get paid for it.
I meant that with the free tier lacking such a basic and necessary feature, you cannot really say the service is “free”.
Indeed, same here but while using my own domain name, this way if some day, for whatever reason, either they go “bad” or I find “better” I can switch without much worry.
Same. Proton gang.
I have plenty to criticize about their lack of creature comforts, but alas.
Yeah… I love proton but their android app also needs work. They’ll get there!
Yeah, the Android app is total garbage.
I don’t know if it’ll ever “get there” because they’ve not demonstrated that they’re putting in any effort at all. It’s currently on version 3.0.16. According to ApkMirror, they released 3.0.1 in June of 2022. So that’s over a year of “stability improvements and bug fixes”. Meanwhile they launched Proton Pass, Proton captcha, desktop clients for Drive, introducing new plans, etc.
Honestly, I just want threaded conversations on mobile.
They released the rewrite as a beta apk at the weekend for testers. So it’s definitely going somewhere.
It’s faster and has conversations on the app too.
https://proton.me/support/mail-android-beta
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/16veha9/join_the_new_proton_mail_beta_on_android/
Proton gang checking in. So much so that I pay them 😊 (actually needed paid features)
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I moved from Tutanota and Proton to Skiff, though I’m still waiting for their privacy claims to be put to the test so I’m keeping my old accounts around just in case.
They offer more storage was my main reason for switching, the free tier seems like a decent Google free tier replacement as long as they don’t screw us over
Proton (free - 1GB storage, 500MB before doing 4 “tasks”) for family, friends, and business types uses, although I’d rather have an integrated calendar (instead of it being a separate app).
Tutanota (free - 1GB storage) for bills, purchases, etc., basically everything else, because I’m never going to say “my email is [email protected]” to anyone I know, especially business acquaintances. So far, I like Tutanota more than Proton, especially the integrated calendar, but that name… sounds like something my mother or grandparents were scammed into using.
On desktop, I’m currently using Thunderbird (TB) for a couple of older gmail accounts (in the process of transitioning away from), although I hate the recent update to TB. Haven’t tried the Tutanota desktop app yet, but web version of email & calendar work adequately. Maybe I’ll transition from TB now, after their recent changes.
Considered mailbox.org, but I’m not going to pay for it (no free version), especially when they don’t at least have a cell app. Skiff may be worth looking at. Can’t recall why I didn’t try them.
EDIT: I’ve now installed Skiff (free - 10GB) as well and liking it so far. Using webmail seems easy and straight forward, cell app looks about the same (but haven’t spent too much time on it yet). REALLY like that you basically get 4 email accounts (1 main and 3 alias account names), which is different than Tutanota and Proton. With the different aliases, this gives me an option to use Skiff for everything (if I choose to “put everything in one basket” at some point). Skiff sounds a little better than “Tuta” for business acquaintances as well, but not by much. No integrated calendar, but significantly larger storage is a plus.
Any email with cock in the name will trigger filtering. It also has the side effect of making me unemployable
Posteo.de - 100% renewable energy. Full industry standard encryption. No tracking, no adds. Annual transparency report. Supporting social and environmental efforts. Great treatment of their employees.
Its reliable but I might look into other options that aren’t so far away
Why would that matter?
Latency and speed
Protonmail, but not really because of encryption. I just liked their Android client and webmail the most. I’ve had sensitive backups on Proton Drive for a long time, so that also played a role in the choice.
I hosted my own server for quite a few years, but the SMTP clients (Thunderbird, Evolution, K9 mail) all doing things slightly differently made me give up. Biggest push was that K9 mail didn’t really move deleted mail to trash. These were probably dovecot configuration issues, but I got tired of searching for solutions. Never had any deliverability issues.
mailbox.org is quite good. I prefer them over protonmail because I want to use my own client. If you don’t care about using a web UI, use protonmail, otherwise use mailbox.org. you can also take a look at tutanota
Also comes with an XMPP account built in, although they should probably update their Ejabberd sometimes 😅
Opinion on the price changes? 1 eur plan doesn’t work with custom domains anymore so I’m looking for alternatives.
Tbh I did not realize their prices increased. I’m happy to pay for their service though. It’s the only subscription I pay.
Strictly speaking it’s not a price increase, the 1 EUR plan is still there. However, support for custom domains has been removed and is only available from 3 EUR plan and upwards under the new pricing scheme.
I’m kind of grandfathered into the old 1 EUR plan that still supports custom domains, but I can’t extend it any further. This means when my account credit dries up I need to choose one of the new pricing schemes ( 1 eur w/o custom domain vs 3 eur … etc.)
Did not know this… Also currently on the 1 EUR plan since it was the best bang for buck that included custom domains. Might start looking into other options when my plan runs out
Search your inbox, they (mailbox.org admin) have sent multiple emails in the past urging users to choose between the new pricing schemes.
As for the alternatives, I’m considering runbox.com and migadu.com, but not entirely sure.
migadu does seem like a good option. Curious what you have chosen? I am also looking at fastmail standard to replace simplelogin email aliasing since it would be the same price as simplelogin + migadu/runbox.
Sorry for the late answer. I ended up choosing Midagu for the time being. Unlimited inbox sounded attractive enough as using alias in my use case wasn’t cutting it.
I’ve been using ProtonMail for a while now and it works very well, they also offer a drive, calendar, password manager, VPN; you can choose if you want all the features or just email.
I also tried Tutanota and they do a good job as well, they’re a smaller company and don’t have as many features as Proton but if all you need is reliable, private e-mail, it’s a good option.
I tried Proton, even paid for a year. But hot damn the Android app is garbage. So I’ve moved to Fastmail and I like it a lot. The app is snappy and I love that it has calendar, contacts, mail, notes, and files storage all in the same app. I used a custom domain with Proton so wasn’t hard to switch to a different provider. Just wish I would’ve known how bad the mobile app was before I plunked down the money.
Fastmail here as well. I don’t need super privacy. The phone app is great. Was easy to setup my personal domain.
They are rewriting android app from scratch rn
I’ve heard that. Boy does it need it. But I’ll admit I don’t like that their focus seems to be on introducing new products instead of making their existing lineup more reliable/performant. And not making many strides in the Linux world.
Proton because it came with the vpn.
Email has no privacy, almost all my email communication is with companies I buy things from.
Moreover, I like that it removes power from google.
Paid Proton Mail with my own domain name and own PGP keypair. Although it now has a way to securely search mail, I use the bridge service to allow Betterbird mail to sync my mail to my PC for searching.
Is self hosting a valid answer?
I host my own email.
On the one hand I hear self hosting email is great, on the other hand I hear it’s a pain in the ass to get whitelisted
Well my IP isn’t on any blacklists but I can’t speak on getting whitelistred" by providers. I can send to gmail without going to spam. Idon’t generally send much email though.
I’ve had zero problems getting whitelisted, but I also don’t send email much these days.
Just curious, are you using DDNS or do you have a static IP?
I have static IPs. That is going to be a required item for hosting email.
Where do you host that’s reasonably priced and still has an IP pool that isn’t immediately blacklisted by Google, Yahoo and Microsoft?
ICD Soft
I’ve used them for 20 years. I’ve never had an email problem. Their spam detection and mitigation is pretty good too.
I self host an email server at home with a 1€/month domain from strato.de, and I just use their SMTP server as relay. No issues so far, and they also include a backup mx for when my home server goes offline.
That’s a pretty good setup. I used to use Amazon SES same way, but they dropped free SES tier. Still reasonably cheap, but more than 1€/mo.
I have to say though, having someone else take care of all updates, backups, etc is worth it for $10/year. You can also bring your own domain. Their servers are not the fastest, but that’s my only real complaint with purelymail.com.
Well I have some hardware colocated at a DC so I can’t speaktoo much about cost plus IP reputation. I can also only rely on individual IP blacklist checking. If MS has decided on their own to blacklist an entire subnet there isn’t much to be done about that.
That’s what I mean. You cannot host in Hetzner, for example, unless you use an outside service like SES for outgoing mail. Their IPs are globally shit listed.
I can’t think of another provider that even comes close in pricing for colo services.
My main point is that it is seemingly impossible to tell what Microsoft has and has not shit listed because may operate their own internal list which isn’t published.
I’m somewhat of the opinion though that more people should self host email and try to be a thorn in the side of these corps implementing arbitrary rules. If more people aren’t receiving email more reports about I will be generated and that will hopefully result in more people like us getting our email successfully delivered.
Couldn’t agree more, but these policies exist because spammers host their own servers. Without a network of trust, you’d have to dig through a thousand of emails every day to find the one from your friend.
