Personally, the only reason I don’t fully switch to Linux is because of the Adobe Suite, but other than that, I would absolutely make the switch. I’m hoping that if this promopts enough people to make the switch, then Adobe will finally make versions of their Programs for Linux.
Realistically wasm gets good enough, that everything starts to become a webapp so that every app is an every os app.
Monkey’s paw: now every app becomes subscription based
Have you tried it on VM or wine and stuff? Try dual booting to test it out.
Have you used a gpu intensive application in a VM with good performance?
Adobe software quite heavily relies on cuda or OpenCL.
Not the poster above, but just wondering here. I don’t use Adobe products. I can see a VM not being the best. How about Wine? Can you just install Photoshop via vutris and go?
I tried wine recently to see if I can get Total Annihilation to work. I played with Wine in the mid 2000’s and gotten office 2003 to run on Suse then.
OMFG the mess when I recently tried to just run a simple exe that doesn’t even need a full installation.
Adobe sadly don’t just make Photoshop which is a remarkably good product. Even more so with their new features. I use Lightroom and nothing that exists for Linux comes close. All that needs some serious GPU integration.
DaVinci resolve is amazing and a real alternative to Premiere. The problem I see is binary compatibility. Even Linus admits that the Linux desktop has a problem with that.
I do have high hopes for web tech to evolve enough to make cross platform a thing again. Maybe ChromeOS will help there. VS Code is a good example here. With WebGl Vulkan in the browser and OpenCL that should become viable soon.
Was it Total Annihilation kingdoms or commander?
Thanks for looking into it. It’s just standard TA with mods. I’m sure it can be made to run even more if you buy the steam version.
Linus mentioned in one interview that Steam does amazing work for Linux adoption on the desktop.
The problem is simply that standard Linux software is still a lot of work to get going and maintain. Work I just don’t have time for.
I just tried it, only was able to find it in the Commander Pack. Played just fine for me with just double clicking the installer, then clicking the new exe
haven’t tried Photoshop, but what exe didn’t work in wine for you? If I load them in with Lutris, I haven’t found anything I can’t run. Just having wine installed and double clicking an exe I haven’t had as much luck, it doesn’t find dependencies.
Edit: I misread. I can try out Total Annihilation and see if it works. Lutris + protonGE has been pretty much perfect for me these days
No, unfortunately. If it was possible, I think we could have gotten everyone that is stuck on Windows because of Adobe, over to Linux by now. Same story with M$ office. BUT that is kinda changing, because for M$ office, we have Office Online and Libreoffice available as alternatives that do the job really well, they got me through college. As for Adobe, there is an online version of Photoshop that you can run in a browser, so hopefully that will get good enough to allow some users to switch to Linux for professionals. Now for personal users they can probably just switch to GIMP. But even then, there’s the issue of the other Adobe Creative Cloud Suite.
that would be awesome. i assume youve tried foss alternatives to adobe apps. they arent as good usually (ofc), but still great for most uses imo, unless u are doing stuff proffessionally i suppose
I work professionally with Adobe programs, but quite frankly, it’s ridiculous that there’s no Linux support. Heck, even Cinema4D and Redshift support Linux.
Maybe just stop using shit products, I don’t know.
They would never. In their mind if you are using Linux is because you can’t afford windows. And if you can’t afford windows then you can’t afford adobe
But they used to offer support for Photoshop and Illustrator a while back if I’m not mistaken. That’s what’s annoying me.
Older versions are supported via wine/crossover, but not official support
The only mainstream professional graphics program with official Linux support was Corel draw, but for a single version twenty years ago, because they acquired a Linux distribution and they wanted to do a bundle os+office+desktop graphics. But nobody bought it (it’s difficult to even find a pirated copy of that) so they scrapped the idea immediately
Remember the rumors over 10 years ago that Windows 8 was going to be a subscription OS?
The year of the linux desktop is coming for real this time…!
I’d rather subscribe to windows than troubleshooting linux
You don’t need to troubleshoot Linux any more than Windows these days. Especially if you get your machine from a Linux-friendly supplier.
Who and where are these Linux-friendly suppliers? This is already more complicated than windows bud
System76, Tuxedo, Juno come to mind. Even Dell has a Linux range I think.
what if i dont want prebuilt
Then you’re installing the OS anyways, and with Linux you’re skipping the whole “buying a license from a shady reseller” part because there is no payments or license keys involved. And it is much easier to install a friendly distribution like Linux Mint, than to install Windows. The Windows installer looks almost as archaic as the Debian installer.
why assume I use shady reseller? every big electronics chain sells windows licenses. window installer looking “archaic” ? u advocate for amd too bcs nvidia control panel looks archaic too? zero windows issues mentioned so far
Point is, shady resellers make you pay 20-30 bucks, official stores make you pay even more, with Linux you pay nothing.
Now onto the Windows issues:
Crazy system requirements. You can bypass them, but the real question is: why do you have to even bother bypassing them in the first place?
Crazy resource usage. You can debloat Windows with something like CTT’s winutil, but the resource usage still isn’t close to the heaviest Linux desktop (GNOME).
Telemetry aka data collection, also called spying in some circles. You can disable most of it with the aforementioned winutil, but even then you can’t be sure that it was all stripped out.
Ads. Again, most, but you can never be sure if all, have been removed with third party tools.
And can I just ask: why do you even have to bother with using extra third party tools to do all that? In Linux, it comes disabled out of the box, and most of it doesn’t even exist.
Worse install process. It takes much longer, you have to go through workarounds to ensure you can bypass the forced usage of a Microsoft account. The install and setup process, from booting the iso, to logging into your installed system takes longer on Windows (I’ve had it take about 30 minutes sometimes, while a typical Linux install would take about 10-15 minutes)
Choice. You don’t like the default Windows-like paradigm? How about a MacOS-like one, or a completely unique one? You want something that has very few customisation options (Cinnamon, GNOME), or something extremely customisable (KDE Plasma, Standalone Window Managers like Openbox, AwesomeWM, Qtile etc.)
Customisability. You don’t like the default window decorations? Or your bar? You want it to be a floating dock, you want it on one side, or at the top? You want to use a tiling window manager, with their extreme customisability? You can do all that on Linux. There are projects that attempt that on Windows, but they are just gimmicks at the end of the day, because gou can’t actually replace the proper Windows shell. Technically, you could do it in the past, but all of these projects are basically dead and none of them offer tiling so…
Freedom. Linux isn’t just free as in beer, it is also free as in Freedom. Thousands of volunteers work tirelessly on the various projects that come together to male up your distribution of choice. And most of them do it for free because they like the project and more often than not, because they use it themselves.
Security. Even out of the box, if you are to compare the list of vulnerabilities for Windows and Linux systems, you will find multiple remote code execution, and iirc, privilege escalation vulnerabilities on Windows. This means that if an attacker wanted to, they could execute malicious code as admin remotely, without ever touching the system.
Exclusive features. You might have heard that only in the last few years, Microsoft has started to include things like a decent terminal experience, the winget package manager, full disk encryption, tabs in the file manager, etc. all of which are features that have existed on Linux for years, if not decades. There are some that still keep on making their way on Windows, when they have existed for many years on Linux, such as floating taskbars (which is apparently coming to Windows 12), while some features (like Changing the position of the bar) are actually being removed on Windows!
I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can think of, off the top of my head.
Edit: I forgot, No forced updates. Apparently MS is now forcing updates. Link: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-force-push-23h222h2-update-as-windows-11-21h2-end-of-support-date-nears/
No such thing on Linux. There are updates. You want to apply them? Okay, go on. You don’t? Okay, that’s alright too.
And something else: you don’t have to reboot. You only have to reboot on Linux if you are doing a kernel upgrade. If you’re upgrading anything else, it’s perfectly fine.
Then build it and install Linux as you would with Windows?
the argument was troubleshooting linux and apparently the friendly ones are in prebuilts
They were just specifying good prebuilds. The only hardware that would cause problems would be niche proprietary parts on laptops and prebuilds. All custom-builds will work fine the large majority of the time.
debian ubuntu fedora…
ive heard fedora was bought by ibm or something now they go close source? ubuntu goes bad too with snaps? debian not for beginners i think and how old does it get? I want stability subscribing is way easier im not 15 anymore
Fedora is not closed source. Snaps don’t matter for your average user. Debian is fine for beginners. These distros are all very stable, and none of them are going to make you pay for them when they upgrade.
ok its open source until red hat says so theyre sold now, ubuntu is at the mercy of canonical’s whims too, debian i know it doesnt change for a long time, idk how long until apps break etc. I have no reason to dump microsoft thats already working and my windows programs for a less evil big corp
There are plenty of completely community run distros. I’m not trying to make you switch to Linux, just pointing out that your reasoning wasn’t right. If you’re comfortable and don’t care about FOSS, privacy, ownership of your OS, etc., then Windows is fine.
Red Hat is owned by IBM but that’s more geared toward enterprise.
Fedora is open source.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-linux-desktops-for-beginners/
Sadly this is how I feel too.
the most troubleshooting i’ve had to do for linux was google and get a stackexchange post and then copy and paste an apt command
They definitely want to, this news “leak” is meant to determine if they will.
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Choose either blue(Debian) or Fedora(RHEl)
Or choose btw (Arch)
I like Arch, but I don’t think it’s a good fit for the fed up with Windows crowd.
And there’s NeoWin again with the Windows 12 clickbaits. This “leak” is just Windows 11 IoT Enterprise Subscription, and there’s absolutely nothing nowhere that even mentions the number 12.
Yeah, this seems like the kind of thing they’d try to push on Business/Pro+ users, where management is willing to fork out absurd amounts of money monthly as long as the per-seat price can be vaguely justified. Doing this for home users would just be dumb. Plenty of people would see the monthly subscription and go “eh I don’t need a computer, I can just use my phone.”
But… But… But… Russian propaganda! Microsoft bad, Linux good!
Valve moves SteamOS to the desktop… The only trick would be getting corporate buy in.
I just can’t see people standing for ads in their os at best and paying a continual fee at worst.
Cool, even more reason to stick with 10 as long as I can. Enshitify everything, who even cares anymore?
Nice! I’ve always wanted to try out Linux.
as always, Microsoft is the biggest advertiser of Linux
Apart from the fact that it’s a bullshit headline cobbled together from half truths to tickle your anger glands… sure.
And still Linux is nowhere close to being a usable desktop OS experience. I’d pick Mac over Linux any day.
I daily drive linux every day at work as an IT Security Admin. Maybe you haven’t spent enough time on Linux to give it the assessment you just did.
You are not a regular user. You are tech heavy user. I have spent enough time with Linux (my fav distro used to be Slackware), and it’s not ready for general consumption.
I would disagree. There are distros out there that make it so easy. Especially with flatpak. I think it’s not 100% user friendly, but neither is windows. If you can’t use Mint Cinnamon, you probably can’t use windows well either. That means you’re just using the web, email, and office for the most part anyway. With package manager gui interfaces, it’s easier to find things with Linux than windows. I think I could show my grandma Linux more easily than windows nowadays. A normal user will get around without ever having to think about PPAs or anything like that.
I use Linux every day and it’s hard to disagree entirely. To use Linux independently, you have to either be willing to Google errors (more so than on Windows) or do nothing more than browse the web and maybe read some email.
However, the worst Linux distro (ChromeOS Flex) is a perfectly fine operating system that will work for almost everyone
I’m not sure of Mac is the answer though. Every time I see people boast about how much better macOS is, that seems to come with the caveat “after purchasing X to do window docking, Y to fix this, Z to fix that, and setting this and that setting”.
It also ran quite terribly on my hardware, especially when Nvidia stopped releasing drivers for my GPU, so I’ll stay with Linux myself for the time being.
with respect, have you honestly tried desktop linux? what do you consider about it difficult?
I keep trying it on and off since before suse/opensuse and redhat/fedora split.
From someone who’s first distro was slackware: it has nothing to do with difficulty. Linux, even the most user friendly distros, kinda stuck for a regular non tech savy users
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A pretty minor mistake for a non-native speaker. Thanks though :)
I actually agree with you and I think I like it like that. It’s like our own little language that nobody else speaks.
Linux gives you the ability to be your own system admin.
Most people don’t want or need that and have been steadily handing over more and more admin duties of their systems to Microsoft, Apple and Google since smartphones have become widely adopted.
But Linux is totally usable to anyone who had enough admin skills to run Windows XP and not get totally wrecked by malware. It’s just a matter of learning.
Only power users want to be their own system admins. A regular user just wants stuff to work.
Linux is unusable for general population.
This makes sense for the edge case of power users. The general use case of Windows won’t learn to be their own sysadmin.
Then what the fuck did I do over past 2 years?
Yes, because you are definitely a regular computer user who has no idea what sh is.
Had me in the first half not gonna’ lie.
It’s a fun way to trigger modern Linux fanboys who have no idea that Mac OS is a UNIX compliant system that pretty much originated on BSD codebase.
Using Mac OS is about as good of an experience as taking a hammer to my fingers.
Now imagine it is still less suffering than Linux.
my only gripe with linux is… gaming. Not the AAA titles which usually run pretty well, the indie games.
they are usually full of small but frustrating issues.
Like for example steam overlay is broken in celeste due to xna/amd bug which makes is frustrating while using big picture mode/gamepadui.
People playground just does not work. at all. immediately crashes with an unknown unity error.
stormworks? random freezes after minifying or switching virtual desktops if running under xwaylandThat shouldn’t be a gripe on Linux, it should be a gripe on game developers not supporting Linux. This is like blaming Nintendo when your Switch emulator on the PC isn’t working right.
Yeah, please do that. It will be great!
Y’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
the last one you “buy”, anyway.
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
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From what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
Will win 7 be the last ever usable OS from Microsoft, or will Windows 13 turn out decent? Only time will tell.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
Seems like an odd direction when a lot services are moving online and to SaaS based solutions, removing the dependency of a specific underlying OS.
This is just another move in that direction. Maybe the next version will be a thin client where you stream most of your apps. The pricing wouldn’t change, only where apps are run.
pricing would change, you think they’d let you run ‘apps’ for free?
I’m guessing there would be one base charge for the OS, and additional charges for whatever apps you opt into.
