See? This is why there’s fighting. Why are Israeli’s even able to kill Palestinian children in the supposedly Palestinian West Bank?
Because these 17 year old “children” throw stones and Molotov cocktails at armed people, in the state which is not independent and is controlled territory by Israel. And the second part is nearly irrelevant, if they through stones and Molotov cocktails at Hamas fighters, they would be all dead much sooner.
Why is Palestine able to invade and abduct Israeli civilians?
The whole thing is an absolute cluster.
Isnt Israel the original invader?
By this point I’m honestly not sure - claims, history, religion going back 1000s of years.
Point is both sides are attacking civilians and neither is right, but both are also protecting what they see as theirs.
So here’s what I (think I) know. Proper historians please correct me.
Modern history saw Palestine mainly populated by Christians and Muslims till late 1800s, when a rise in Zionism led to increased migration into Palestine. This kept increasing and really accelerated from Germany in mid 1930s (strange huh.)
When Israel officially got its title as a nation given to them by the UN in 1947, the Arab nations all voted against as they felt the share of Palestine left to be called Palestine was not enough.
Conflict has been escalating since. But I feel this is the basis for the conflict as it is today.
the Arab nations all voted against as they felt the share of Palestine left to be called Palestine was not enough
Not only did they vote against it, they invaded Israel (already in civil war) and fought a bloody war until 1949. To their demise, the result of that war was that Israel won against the combined Arab League, even captured much of the Palestine territory and kept it.
That depends on how far back you want to go. If all you care about is the most recent incarnation of Israel, then yes. However my understanding is that the Jews have the longest standing claim to the land, it’s just that every time they reclaim it someone takes offense or gets greedy and kicks them back out. That’s part of the reason why the whole situation is a cluster fuck. The Muslims have been living there a long time before the current incarnation of Israel was forcibly established, but the Jews had never given up the land willingly. Additionally, both groups have claims to the land through their religious beliefs as the land is supposed to be holy.
So, why not rule together? Because the Zionists want Israel for the Jews and Hamas wants it for the Muslims, and are both religious extremists who are not the kind of people who would be willing to jointly govern together.
so we give back the US to indigenous population and the rest can live in a 16 square mile strip?
I actually considered drawing parallels between Israel/Palestine and an imaginary future where the US collapses into its individual states and foreign governments prop up the tribal governments with weapons and cash, however I thought the comparison might be lost on a lot of people.
No, I’m not saying what Israel is doing is okay, nor am I saying that it’s okay for Hamas to be murdering civilians en masse. All I was saying is that the situation is a clusterfuck. Giving Israel the land ignores all of the people who had been living there for hundreds of years and have no where else to go. Giving Palestine the land ignores the fact that the land has a long history of being stolen from Israel.
The ideal situation would be for Israel and Palestine to govern jointly, however as I said, Hamas and the Zionists would probably never be willing to compromise and they’re the ones who are currently causing problems.
it’s hard to compromise with an oppressive state.
I wonder what a lot of these Israeli defenders would have advised the black people of South Africa to do during the 80s.
Just negotiate with the apartheid regime?
Israel has has years to try and find a solution to the problem they created.
There’s also the non-religious issue of the right of the Jews to have a place where they won’t be persecuted for being Jews.
Why is Palestine able to invade and abduct Israeli civilians?
They normally can’t; they needed to conduct a once a lifetime military operation to do it.
That aside, what I meant was: This shows the systematic issue in Israel that makes options like Hamas appealing. The fact that Israelis can get away with violence against Palestinians in the West Bank is a systemic issue, and not a new one.
Would i be correct in my belief that it is a systematic issue on both sides?
I mean I guess Hamas soldiers doing the shit they’re doing right now is a systemic issue too (though that makes it sound more benign than it is), and I’m not defending it. I’m just saying that this is a (in this case very inappropriate) reaction to the conditions Gaza and Palestine as a whole are forced into, and Israeli settler violence is an example of those conditions.
Think you forgot your response under the quote
Done now.
Ty
Shut tf up, what is better a slow death by axficiatiation like Israel is doing to Palestine? Are they not allowed to fight back?
I’m in now way saying civilians are supposed to get hurt, but I know that the government of Israel is as guilty if not more. They are the ones starting the cycle, waking whatever they want and using these attempts to fight back as an excuse to do it even more
“Spike”
I mean, yeah no shit.
