A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.
Wouldn’t it be their right to choose toilets?
Bet the school will find some small thing coming out of this to attach to that they will claim have endangered/inconvenienced their life somehow.
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Love and support them?
The fuck did your parents do to you to make you so proudly ignorant?
A little bit of an overreach here.
I’d like it so we can easily see censored content, so we don’t have to scour the modlog to see what happened. Is that possible?
I am annoyed with all the deleted high-activity comments as well.
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gender neutral bathrooms are the answer here.
most public places have them now, don’t get why you can’t have one in a school.
In places with large crowds, gender neutral bathrooms (assuming you also mean single-use) don’t really work. It causes massive lines.
Not to mention, there’s no need. It’s a bathroom. Why does anyone care who they pee or poop next to? It seems so silly and arbitrary to me. Just get in, do your thing, wash your hands, and get out. haha
We can have gender neutral bathrooms where we have a shared hand-washing area, and individual stalls. Heck, you can even have cameras pointed towards the sink area if people are so afraid of getting harassed in the bathroom. Gender should not matter when you have individual stalls.
Right? I’ve been using public restrooms for a long time and I don’t recall ever seeing anyone’s naughty bits.
…and for me the most ridiculous part of this discussion is that bathrooms have never been a secure space. If some creep wanted to go into a bathroom to harass people, there is literally nothing stopping them. It’s not like bathrooms have guarded entrances and now people have a sneaky way to get into a bathroom by pretending to be transgender or something insane like that.
It’s literally a manufactured issue to get the GOP electorate terrified, as everything they do is designed to do.
I’ve been using public restrooms for a long time and I don’t recall ever seeing anyone’s naughty bits.
I see you’ve never had the misfortune of using the circular trough-style urinal where everyone is facing each other and peeing into the middle. Thankfully, they are not very common.
Oh you know what? I think I did have those in elementary school. That was a while ago though.
Yes I hate this kind of shit too. It costs less and somehow might be able to pack more pissers, but it’s so weird. Maybe unless you’re into staring at other people when you’re peeing.
Lol! Those are meant for washing your hands, not for pissing. Although I guess I can imagine a scenario where some genius thinks one is a urinal and somehow the idea catches on. Still pretty funny though.
From the Horrible Bathroom Hall of Fame, I present the Mathematical Sciences bathroom at the University of Central Florida:
What is it with the US and making public toilets as weird as possible? Your freaking walls & doors are bad enough but this is like a piss fountain. I’d expect something like this in maybe a swinger / fetish club or something like that.
It’s not a urinal, it’s for washing your hands. I’ve mostly ever seen them in factories where you have shifts coming on and off the clock at the same time so they need to be able to handle a high volume of workers.
That said, I’m not a big fan of the piss walls you get in the UK and Ireland. They always feel awkward to me, but I guess if you’re used to it…
This is what happens when you have theoretical scientists in charge of bathrooms.
LOL when I first saw the pic you posted I thought the sink in the middle was for communal pissing
The best compromise for neutrality and efficiency is to keep gender neutral stalls but also retain an area with urinals which will be much quicker for large numbers of men to pass through then using stalls, and also saves water.
The other consideration would be that the stalls will need to be sufficiently screened that people in them don’t feel overlooked or vulnerable (I’m looking at you USA with your weird gappy stall building!).
Um I think if we’re gonna have urinals, they need to have a divider to completely separate them from the rest of the bathroom area, just so some conservative women don’t freak out about the idea of men urinating outside of a closed stall.
But yea the stalls need to have no gaps in them. I hate people just peeking in, especially when I was in k-12 public school.
I went to a mixed bathroom in France and had to walk past bare backsides to get to a stall. I don’t want to see one guy’s ass let alone a whole row of them.
In the US at least people don’t generally have their asses hanging out when using urinals.
That’s not really a thing in Europe either. I saw it only once in my life, and that was back in school, from some third or second grader or something.
You’re supposed to run down the line and slap those butts.
While cheering about your favorite sportsball team.
I was at a concert at Red Rocks Amphitheatre and they had gender neutral single stall bathrooms with a shared sink area. It was great. Sure, there was a line, but there was going to be one anyway. However, it ensured 100% utilization, when potentially one side would have less than 100% usage when the other has a line. It’s ideal for places with large crowds.
(The stalls were also well built basically single rooms, not the shitty American stalls with gaps in them.)
It works perfectly, it’s just more expensive to construct. In some Nordic countries there are very few places with bathroom stalls, they either have lots of single-use bathrooms or completely walled-in rooms (wall from ground to roof, regular door) with a toilet and then sinks outside to wash your hands. Works in shopping malls, airports, schools (from small elementary schools to huge high-schools, I’ve never seen one with stalls). The only exceptions I can think of that have stalls are amusement parks, some sport arenas and (ironically) IKEA.
How about single occupancy? No one cares if you use the wrong port-a-potty.
All this bathroom talk is just a bourgeois plot to make us all rent bathrooms.
You mean like how it used to be in the US decades ago? You very much used to have to pay to use public bathrooms until a bunch of students protested it.
Because it’s not cost effective
Meanwhile I feel like there’s a much bigger issue going on. 11 years old? Did they even go through puberty yet?
Fair point. In that case, you cannot call anyone a boy or a girl until they hit puberty. You must treat them all as the same gender (or genderless). One bathroom for “children” who haven’t hit puberty and thus clearly don’t have a gender. Then we can have a bathroom each for “boy” and “girl”.
Or… was that not your point? I wonder if I can guess your point?
Why would they need to go through puberty? Did you not know what gender you were before puberty?
Plus, if you figure out you’re trans (or might be trans) that young, you’d usually take puberty blockers explicitly to delay puberty until you’re a bit older and doctors can be more certain, at which point HRT can be started. Puberty blockers are very safe and reversible, unlike puberty (whether natural puberty or HRT puberty).
Puberty blockers are very safe and reversible
This is 100% incorrect btw.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/puberty-blockers-not-so-reversible-after-all/
https://wng.org/roundups/study-effects-of-puberty-blockers-can-last-a-lifetime-1617220389
https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/
The FDA doesn’t even approve puberty blockers for “gender affirmation”.
You can’t just “pause” puberty and then go through it years later completely unaffected. That’s not how it works.
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Why would they need to go through puberty
Because MASSIVE hormonal and neurological changes happen with puberty.
It’s like the most drastic change of your body and mind that most people will ever experience in their lives.
Why are we wasting tax dollars arguing over what room someone goes to urinate or defecate in? This country, man. So many fucking idiots here, it genuinely makes me feel hopeless. I was all gung-ho about having a kid with my girlfriend but nowadays, I don’t know anymore.
While this is welcome news, it’s also depressing that we live in a timeline stupid enough that bathroom panics are enough of a thing that there are laws on the books like this to be struck down by judges (and of course, the fact that other judges are likely to reverse this ruling).
I’ve never understood why I should care where someone else goes to the bathroom anyways.
Good point. Shouldn’t slaves have just been happy what the majority of people in the south wanted?
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Really, at 11?
Yes? 11 is an age where children often are hitting puberty and if someone is trans, that’s when gender dysphoria would become more pronounced.
It’s sad that the parents allowed this kids identity to be determined by what’s currently relevant in social media.
i guess it must have also been sad when parents allowed kids to identify as sinister. meaning left-handed, of course. one moment, it was rightfully shunned, the next moment sinister people started getting everywhere and it was growing at an alarming rate, threatening to take over society…
…until it hit 12.5%, where it flatlined and stayed ever since. turns out if you don’t bully people into repressing a trait they’re born with, you’ll see a meteoric rise in the amount of people you now accept, when they stop (rightfully) fearing that you’ll repress them. today, it’s beyond trivial that if you think there ever has been a point in history where one eight of all people haven’t been left-handed, you’re just a moron, but your rhetoric would perfectly fit the era when that started to be accepted.
we don’t know exactly how many people are trans, but the sharp rise you see and characterize as “currently relevant in social media” is simply due to society (mostly) letting people finally be who they always have been. realistically, trans people are a minority, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have the same right to be themselves that you and i already enjoy simply for having been born into the majority.
I see no correlation between someone being born left handed and someone who claims to have been born in the wrong body, that’s a bit of a stretch. What’s not a stretch though is that social media has dictated a lot of what is acceptable in society but that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s a good thing. People can live their lives however they want but it makes no sense that a kid born in this time would have come to this decision on their own without the influence of social media given how much it’s affected our society in the past ten years alone. That’s the problem and thats what makes it hard to understand and justify. Those in support of children changing who they think they are, give them pats on back but for what reason exactly and what cost? How is this a good thing? In my opinion, kids need to grow and learn to be productive members of our society before they should ever start being told “you’re probably not who you are.” It’s silly.
How do you know that to be true?
Why don’t you just let people raise their own children, and you can raise yours?
Well, at what age did you start to believe you were cis?
Bigots are incapable of thinking this way. They only see LGBT+ people as “the other” and themselves as “normal”, so they never realize that they themselves at one point figured out their own identity (including both gender and sexuality). They think it’s only LGBT+ folks having to figure those things out.
It’s bizarre, especially since society does push cisgendered and heterosexual norms at a very early age. Young boys will get asked if they like any girls and they’ll constantly be pushed with gender roles and stereotypes for their birth gender. It’s so normalized that most folks don’t even seem to realize that it happens until confronted with the existence of any alternative (like LGBT+ folks). A reasonable person would examine their biases and realize stuff like “huh, I guess I knew my gender from a young age”, but bigots have this irrational hatred for LGBT+ people so they’re not willing or capable of this kind of insight. Their brain has to twist logic into justifying the bigotry that they’ve already concluded on.
Sure, why not?
You disgrace your user name.
Woah… you weren’t being sarcastic? Why? What is your logic?
