We’ve known for years that the owner is a lying, creepy, out of touch dipshit and that it’s a very flawed car and the company will cut costs to save money on safety items, every time.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future, but there are alternatives, especially if you have money, which a lot of Tesla customers do. And they’re not particularly well built; how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now? And now we’ve seen how Elaine runs their companies, why the hell would anybody put their trust in their products?
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter. You are the hardcore, foaming at the mouth Segway fan from the 2000s, have at me lol.
Update: The teary eyed, sweaty fingered responses to this are predictably hilarious. I’ve been called a guy that eats 4 pizzas a week in another old thread because of this, a cunt, a tool, a douche, a couple people spent their energy to tell me they don’t understand me spending my energy posting this, some people are telling me something about Tesla or Elaine living in my head rent free. All genuinely pathetic responses, so GG lol. Cheers.
I can easily tell the difference between a 2013 vs 2023 Toyota Camry.
I literally can’t tell the difference between a 2013 and 2023 Model S.
That’s the real problem.
how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now?
While I agree with the basic premise of your argument, this isn’t the knock you think it is. The majority of passenger cars won’t be on the road in 10 years, let alone 20. Between poorly designed cheap econo-cars, people who want the latest new thing, and people who abuse their car (insanely long commutes, deferring maintenance, etc), they just don’t last that long on average. I rarely see a 2013 model or earlier let alone a 2003 or eariler.
The average age of registered cars is 12 years. And it keeps rising.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43903366/average-car-age-12-years/
Me and my wife both have cars over 14 years old with 200k miles and they’re just fine.
I’ve had a model 3 for 5 years and of the more than 10 I’ve had in my old age, it is by far the best, safest, most reliable vehicle I have ever owned. I based my purchase on the vehicle, not the fucking CEO you nimrod. I will buy another in the future.
I hate Trump. Does that mean I should have stopped buying anything American for 4 years?
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future,
Sooo…100% of future transportation should be done by train or bus? Gonna build an express line out to grannie’s house in the woods of rural upstate LargePlace? Maybe with a few local stops at some hiking trailheads? Can’t forget to add a direct line from there to the closest grocery store two towns away, or maybe granny can just hop on the train to CenterTown and take the connecting bus over to Nowhere’sVille, and grab another train from there. God forbid she wants to visit Aunt Sue in Isolated Harbour. Or maybe we should just seize both their properties and relocate them to Dense Village, which was specifically designed to be public-transit friendly.
Yeah trains are awesome, and we should utilize them more (especially in the US). But public transit is not the solution to all long-distance travel. So why flat-out reject a theoretical improvement, on the basis that it’s not a literally perfect solution?
Or maybe we should just seize both their properties and relocate them to Dense Village, which was specifically designed to be public-transit friendly
unironically this. Humans are a blight upon the natural world they inhabit but refuse to cooperate with, and the people doing their best to avoid living nearby other humans are a major cause of that. Everyone wants a piece of that pie, and the cost is to keep deforestation and making the land unlivable so that we can have our cars and charging stations and powerplants to supply the charging stations and grocery stores and water treatment and…
If you want to do whatever you want to do regardless of consequences, stop getting mad at the people saying “maybe we shouldn’t cover every square inch of land with asphalt and concrete” and start asking yourself why you’re so addicted to cars you take offense at the mere idea of asking granny to live somewhere within reach of a carless society
Humans are a blight upon the natural world they inhabit
If you’re so insistent on humans living in an environment counter to their own evolutionary instincts in favor of squeezing every drop of sustainability possible out of the maximum number of human lives (literally forcing humans to live in artificially dense population centers), why are you on the internet? You’re wasting electricity that was either derived from fossil fuels or generated using renewable technologies reliant on rare minerals obtained through strip mining. Not to mention the plastics and metals that went into making the computer/phone you’re using.
Still wearing clothes? Think of the water being wasted on manufacturing that! What about the resources devoted to growing the plant fibers, raising the livestock, or weaving the plastic fibers? The land that was destroyed and all the native life that was culled to create the farmlands? We should all be forcibly relocated to temperate regions and forced to live in dense nudist colonies.
Do you exercise? You know how many calories and how much oxygen you waste by doing that? Human physical exertion should be limited to only the bare minimum required to sustain the minimally healthy body weight. You know how much food we’d save if we banned all sports?
Don’t get me started on the arts. Brain power costs calories too! What a waste. All human creative resources should be pooled together to create the most efficient base of entertainment media possible that enables a livable experience. No more unique languages, everyone will be forced to learn Chinese Mandarin or Spanish, so we can eliminate waste on similar media across languages.
Obviously MASSIVE /S
Now I don’t want you to misunderstand, I’m very pro-renewables, rather pro-regulation, and even a bit pro-social-engineering. But literally seizing property and assigning concentrated living quarters to people who’ve owned their homes for generations is some seriously dystopian shit.
I own a Model Y, don’t give a fuck what Elon does or says. I own a Ford too and couldn’t tell you who the hell the CEO of Ford is. Their personal opinions have fuck-all to do with the product, in my opinion. I test drove one, loved everything about the car, the charging network is objectively better, and I’m a big fan of self driving so that’s a bonus. I’m a little over a year into ownership and there’s absolutely no complaints I have about the car, it’s been a great experience.
Now the question is, why do you have such strong opinions about what cars other people buy? I’ve had a great experience with my Tesla and don’t know of any better way I could’ve spent my money on a vehicle.
People love to hate Teslas, as seen from this post. My only complaint with mine is that there’s a good chunk of the population that translates their hatred for Teslas into unsafe and aggressive driving. It’s like, “Yes I get that you’re far right and hate EVs / far left and hate Elon, but can I please merge onto the highway? My kids are in the car.”
Elaine
Gender shaming? What the fuck does your projected gender issues have to do with anything?
I respect your opinion and I hate pretty much everything that Musk says and does… but I love my car. The other options on the market are not as good at this point. Maybe soon they will be, and I’ll look at them again next time I buy.
Porsche’s Taycan is $10k more than the Model S and superior in pretty much every aspect other than range. And even then it has a 250-300 mile range.
Not to mention it handles better, is based on a well proven frame, has better safety ratings, it’s the better car in all bit range and charger availability (and Porsche has committed to setting up chargers in every multiple cities across America)
And where Porsche chargers do exist: they’re faster than the Tesla Superchargers. So… idk what’s this “are not as good” to you? What metric are you using to determine this? Until you articulate what metric you are judging the car from any discussion further than this is pointless.
Edit: And I’ve owned both cars. The Taycan is far better on road in my experience in Los Angeles, and I’ll be able to tell you how it fares on a cross country trip soon.
My Tesla was all but forgotten after I got the Taycan.
Model S and X are the most expensive Tesla models. Maybe they’re talking about the 3 and Y. Also chargers and range are some of the most important parts of an electric car.
Range matters to a point. 250+ miles is where we consider it comparable to an ICE in terms of driving time to charge.
Essentially at 250+ miles you are driving about as long as your average driver of an ICE would before filling up.
Charger availability is only going to improve for Porsche as the Taycan becomes more widely available but they’ve already rolled out in most major metro areas… and have stated plans to be in every state. The Taycan is also expensive for a Porsche so comparing to the Model S (which is the best like for like comparison) seems fair. Albeit other Porsches are ICEs (the Cayenne is currently about as expensive as a model X)
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Also, while my experience has been that the Model S has better range. In WLTP testing, the current standard, the Taycan beats the Model S by 13 miles.
at 250+ miles you are driving about as long as your average driver of an ICE would before filling up.
I don’t know how you’re mentally justifying this. Not only can a typical car go 400-500 miles on a tank, but filling up the tank takes less than five minutes.
Most people don’t (and shouldn’t) run their car to empty causing the average consumer to fill up after ~300 miles, when they get to roughly 1/4 their tank.
This has been proven time and time again. If you consistently got the true 400 miles a tank out of your car, you’d damage it.
(Also average fuel efficiency is 25mpg, average fuel tank size is 12-16 gallons. Average that 12-16 to 14 gallons. 25x14=350 miles per tank)
But I love the absolute assured confidence in your incorrect reply here.
The same applies to EVs, you don’t get nearly that 250-300 mile range without degrading your battery at a faster rate than your gas car’s fuel pump.
Your fuel efficiency number is also bad. It probably factors in a lot of the large pickups that get 12-16 mpg. All the SUVs and sedans I’ve owned achieved 400-450 miles per tank. Hell, my 98 camry could do 500 if you kept AC usage to a minimum.
Your level of confidence is immeasurable, considering your bad statistics, and 1 sided thinking of the negatives.
My numbers came from WLTP which considers EV range “a functional range for which you can safely drive without harm to the systems.” So it already took into account that issue.
Your anecdotal evidence does not a statistic make. The average fuel efficiency for all cars in the road in America is 25 mpg. This is not counting lorries or other commercial vehicles. The average tank size is 12-16 gallons. You. Are. Wrong.
But still love the assured confidence.
For people that live in a small world evs might be fine.
For the rest of us, they aren’t going to stack up for 20 years at a minimum. Hopefully by then these climate lunatics won’t exist anymore and we can go back to freedom of choice.
“Climate lunatics” I am 20yo. I can literally observe the climate as being different than it was when I was a child. It is plainly obvious something has changed. What should we call this change in the climate of our planet? Hmmmm… maybe, climate change is an apt descriptor for the change in our planet’s climate wouldn’t you agree?
As to its existence? I’m not going to debate you on it. Climate change does exist. To deny that is to deny facts and science. To deny it is to deny literal reality. I don’t debate people who live in fantasyland.
EVs have their issues in an establishing industry but I don’t deny that climate change is real and to that carbon emissions have a lot to do with that.
And to that, focusing on the smallest possible end of the spectrum and dumping it on an end consumer is the most ludicrous proposition in existence.
We don’t get wood fired pizza, or gasoline, or natural gas, or fucking straws?(lol), or, or, or, but tanker ships and private jets get to cruise around with impunity?
Who do you think they’re buying those “carbon credits” from?
That same government pushing green bullshit is selling your freedom of choice to the highest bidder and removing it altogether from the individual.
Elaine
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When Elon realizes retirement age for women is lower than for men, he will transition, and that will be his new name. The internet will implode at that point
Go back to Reddit.
Really, you belong there.
Aw chum, don’t worry, you can block me if I bother you so much
I’m not a musk fan and he’s really turned me off from the brand but as far as my car goes it’s great.
Source: Goober who bought one two years ago and has enjoyed it thoroughly.
I think you’re living in an online Reddit bubble. I’m not an Elon fan at all, and most people in the real world don’t drive cars based on their political affiliation.Lots of CEOs of major car companies are slimy and have been involved in scandals.
I bought my model 3 for $50k CAD after incentives and tax which is expensive but not an absurd price, and have had 0 problems with it after 2 years and it’s an amazing car. I know about the quality control issues with some cars but the warranty is good. I’m pretty sure the oldest Teslas on the road are 13+ years old so I’m pretty happy I’ll get to drive it for so long.
Although I do believe Elon has been acting like a fucking maniac for the past few years, I would still buy a Tesla if I had the money for it. There’s absolutely no other electric vehicle on the market with so much tech and so much power for so little money.
Quality? For sure others are better in this regard. But just pure fun and power? No other even comes close, and the ones that do (Porsche Taycan, etc) are much more expensive to buy AND maintain.
There’s a reason Tesla model 3 is the best selling electric vehicle in the WORLD. Shit’s good yo.
We have to know how to separate Elon, the character from the products and services his company provides. (except Twitter, it’s gonna burn to the ground.)
There’s absolutely no other electric vehicle on the market with so much tech and so much power for so little money.
That’s just blatantly false. There are a lot of other options out there that are at least comparable, if not outright better, than the Tesla models.
We have to know how to separate Elon
My principles don’t allow for funneling money towards people who I believe will use it to make the world a shittier place.
You must live your whole life buying from only neighboring farms and individual creators, right?
I am curious which farm produced the smartphone and/or computer you’re using to browse this site?
Do you actually think the tech and gadgets you use, the clothes you wear, etc, are all made/created from some wholesome benefactor? The products we use are the result of abusing third world/developing nations, including child labor. What a hypocrite.
There’s the cold ugly truth about capitalism, to which I haven’t opted out. To some degree, that makes me a bad person for going along with a system I know I can’t change. And then there’s directly supporting a transphobic piece of shit who helps spread conspiracy theories online. I’ll opt not to go along with the second one.
I’m a bike driver and Teslas wanna hit me left and square and I can’t hear those removed. I get it the gas cars are probably gonna go extinct within 180 years, but telsas suck on build quality and those removed are expensive to do any repairs, where is my RIGHT TO REPAIR!!!
Ummmm, if you are in the US, you don’t have a damn clue what you speak of. Go do a roadtrip on non-teslas. Can it be done? Sure? But expect broken CCS1 stations all along the way. Expect that you will have to wait forever to charge. If you are replacing your ICE vehicle and need to travel outside of your local area, Tesla has been the only game in town. End of story.
Why do you think every major car company with significant electric vehicle sales is jumping to the Tesla connector? It is because the Tesla supercharger network is so much better than everything else.
Tesla isn’t just their cars, it is their ecosystem. Tesla invested in a massive charging network, VW is next closest but CCS1 legit sucks. CCS2 would have been fine but the US in their infinite wisdom jumped on CCS1.
Now that companies are jumping on the tesla connector, I actually think we will see some real competition in short order which is good for everyone.
I’m not sure why you think lemmy is full of Musk fans, but I think you’ll find the guess to be incorrect. There’s not a lot of Tesla drivers on here. I know that because for the most part, the only people that are here, are ones capable of doing a little research. Ones capable of doing a little research, probably won’t buy a Tesla. People who do research on stuff definitely research their vehicles.
There’s probably a handful of people that got the early generation stuff, but probably not many. Anyways, have fun.
Looks like there is at least one Tesla fan judging by the down votes (at the time of this comment that is).
There’s always a trace number of people downvoting everything that doesn’t jive with a strict conservative doctrine, so you have to normalize for that. It’s usually at least 1 on here.
Given how annoying this place would be for any genuine conservative to actually hang out in for any length of time, I conclude we’re actually being monitored by someone(s).
Nah, I just like getting into dumb arguments on the internet. I didn’t downvote him though.
I bought a Tesla in 2018. I did my research. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned. I’ve driven it from Mississippi all the way to Washington state with no issues. It’s so cheap compared to a gas car too. I pay maybe $9.50 for 300 miles, which is way cheaper than 5.50/gallon of gas.
The drive assist is amazing in longer trips. The city “self driving” isn’t great, but it’s great to have lane keeping and distance keeping in terrible traffic.
I can turn on the AC and view my cameras from the app. What’s another car company that can view 4 angles + inside from the native app? It really helps when I have my dog and need to check in on her when dog mode is active.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate Musk, and he would probably dissuade me from getting one today.
Sounds to me like you are just a fan of electric drive trains and connectivity. None of these features are particularly unique to Tesla. Except maybe the inside camera part. Yuck, no thanks.
Tesla’s supercharger network is by far the best American EV charging network. I wish it were better for others, but it’s just not the case.
Tesla also has the most efficient cars. Mine gets about 250Wh/mile, while others get 350+. Hopefully others can catch up because Musk does not deserve the business.
Tesla’s supercharger network is by far the best American EV charging network.
I really think they had a headstart here considering they were one of the first major companies to start pushing for that network in the first place. Hopefully other manufacturers will start doing that as well or atleast have one universal port that they all share so they don’t have to build their own stations to do so.
Well yea, but they doesn’t take away from them having the best network. I wish others were better now, but that’s not how it works. Headstarts will always be awarded in tech.
I also got my Tesla before Elon went full crazy, and there only recently were a lot of options. Even then, most were waitlisfed for months and months. Tesla manufactures a ridiculously high percentage of the EV market. Most large car companies are still just dipping their toes in EVs.
Wow… I knew there wouldnt be a lot, but didnt think it would be this bad.
Wow F me, even a Tesla Investor community too 😯
I wasn’t expecting so many Tesla communities to exist here already though, kinda surprising and insightful
We should encourage diversity of options and opinions tho.
Definitely agree. Personally Tesla isn’t an interest of mine anymore, but their fans are more than welcome to establish communities here on Lemmy IMO
I’ve had mine for 5 years. I wanted an EV and at that time (in the US) there really was no option even remotely close with the combination of range, charging convenience and technology.
Elons downfall sometimes makes me slightly embarrassed to be associated to it in any way, but its still a great car, not perfect but great. 5 years and I’ve had to replace a set of tires, wiper blades and fluid, and 2 sets of cabin air filters. That’s it.
Its popular to hate on Elon and its rightly deserved but come the fuck on.
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Tesla pulled a hattrick by making people who couldnt give a shit about the environment want to buy an EV, and they did that by making the car pure fun.
With all the major brands announcing support for the NACS connector I will be keeping Rivian in my sites in a few years. If they can get the price right for their next generation, lower cost models they could be a compelling package.
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I was living in Los Angeles at the start of the pandemic. I was really enjoying my $0.11/Kw charging when gas was approaching $6-7/Gallon.
For most drivers, the math can make a lot of sense.
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