Discovered recently that Electric Wizard were kinda dicks back in the day. “At the time, we were pretty bad people. I got arrested for arson of a car, outside a police station. Tim [Bagshaw] went to nick a crucifix off a church roof so we could use it onstage…”
R. L. Burnside killed a man “possibly at a craps game.”
Varg of Mayhem Burzum burned a couple churches and killed a bandmate.
I could list other examples, but would like to hear from other people and other music genres.
Wouldn’t say I was a big fan of them at the time, but LostProphets.
Ian Watkins is currently serving a 30 year sentence in prison for multiple child sexual offences - incredibly vile shit.
Apparently people had suspected he was a nonce long before he was arrested.
Many former fans went so far as to burn merch, trash CD’s and pretty much disavow the band once the news came out. His former band mates dissolved the band and started No Devotion in its place.
Should have been death
Came here for the Ian Watkins comment.
Haven’t found another band close to sounding like Lostprophets and it sucks.
The dude from Iced Earth and Demons and Wizards is a right wing terrorist. That’s a bummer.
Demons and Wizards
Oh. Damn. I’ve been listening to those songs for a decade.
Me too, they’re one of my favorite power metal acts. I feel like it’s okay to pirate them though. Dude tried to steal my voice, so I’m gonna make unauthorized copies of his.
That really ruined the day of my partner when it came to light, he is … was a huge Iced Earth fan for decades 😕
Yeah, the singer of Blind Guardian made it clear he wouldn’t play with him again after that. I respect that choice.
I was fairly partial to “tie me kangaroo down, sport” as a child of preteen years. Not to mention Gary Glitter songs.
Being bought up in the [UK] seventies comes with a lot of that kind of trauma these days.
I’m having to re-evaluate my life choices as a ten year old regularly in 2020s civilization.
If I had a nickel for every time one of my favorite noise artists was accused of sexual assault by another artist I follow, I’d have two nickels. Which isnt a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice (Michael Gira from Swans was accused by Larkin Grimm and Alexis Marshall from Daughters was accused by Kristin Hayter).
try being a pop punk fan…
Raped women(alegedly) (Rammstein).
Not as bad as other things here, but back in the days, I loved German industrial rock band Oomph! (one of the inspirations for Rammstein to make their music). The band was active in their forums, very approachable. One thing their singer said when someone asked them about how some song/lyrics were meant was (paraphrased, this was almost 20 years ago) “I don’t like to interpret my own songs, it’s something everyone should do for themselves”.
Cue their new Album “Wahrheit oder Pflicht”, it’s a complete success, the single even makes it to #1 of the German single charts. There’s an interview in Sonic Seducer (German gothic magazine) which includes 4 pages of Dero interpreting every song of the new album… The band did not frequent their forum anymore.
Felt like a sellout speedrun.
After the Rammstein Til-parties stuff, I’m relieved this was just a change of opinion in song discussion.
I should stop reading threads like these, I don’t know why I feel compelled to find out people are human in shit ways, even though that’s obvious because no human is perfect.
Haha, yeah, I instantly knew what I was going to talk about when I saw the thread title. Then I saw the posts here and “woah, that’s all on another level” :D The only thing I had even heard of was all the Burzum stuff, but then it’s not as if I ever particularly liked his music.
I started getting really worried when I had a German person tell me industrial was Nazi music and he didn’t go near it. I couldn’t help but wonder if I had grossly misinterpreted some intentions I assumed were social commentary and artistic condemnation of hateful ideology. It’s not like I spoke native German, so, how would I know? I still suspect he isn’t correct but I always get a little on edge as soon as I see a familiar name in these topics.
Having said that, Till also has a rumoured habit of casual unprotected sex and not paying child support or acknowledging his children too, so, you know. Doesn’t need to just be Nazis to be awful and ruin things for me.
I started getting really worried when I had a German person tell me industrial was Nazi music and he didn’t go near it.
Yeah, that person was simply an idiot. Industrial, especially EBM/Industrial tends to have military themes, something people tend to confuse with ring wing ideologies. Some bands like Hanzel und Gretyl lean even more into Nazi imagery, but they are also very clearly making fun of it. One of the founding bands of Industrial Rock (KMFDM) has been singing about left wing topics pretty much since their founding in the 80s.
And I’m not getting into any of the rumors about this pop-rock band that’s so famous ;)
edit: Here’s a comment on reddit giving a good overview, they say that newer H&G might actually be right, but I can’t say anything about that as I only know their old stuff.
He’s far from an idiot, but I am also of the opinion he has probably just heard some rumours and taken some satirical imagery at face value. I think that it’s easy to do if it’s not a genre that appeals to you musically enough to listen to voluntarily, like when people believe articles by The Onion unironically. And not everyone is good at subtext anyway, even if they are listening attentively.
I will admit to not trying out H&G because I don’t know enough about them to figure their intent out.
I don’t go to live music anymore enough to know there are no Nazis in the room who are there for the hate, let alone the majority, so I have no way to personally verify I’m not accidentally complicit in actual grossness that was never satire at all. And I would hate for that to happen.
He’s far from an idiot
Sorry, but spreading fake news and calling tons of bands, including left-wing ones, Nazis makes you an idiot. A big one, even.
Singular bad hot takes aren’t something I take too seriously when it’s fuelled by late night drinking. It’s too high a standard for me to live up to.
When they also say it sober or follow it up with more terrible takes is when I start backing away slowly.
Dero ist jetzt hardcore Jesus-Fan und missionieren auf den Straßen: https://youtu.be/bIU_OR5BCjg?si=h9g1H0n_dt5NcEu7
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WTF? :D
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I’ve heard about them, never got into them though
Check their old stuff, more industrial, less pop ;) Suck-Taste-Spit
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Oh dude this is all good.
Kinda reminds me a little of the original Command & Conquer music vibe.
I like the Beatles, and there’s the obvious clique joke of “John beats his wives, ya know?”
I like a grand total of one Megadeath song, “Hanger 18”. That bad is very troublesome. I feel bad for enjoying it, but I don’t pay for it, so I guess that’s better? But it’s nostalgic for me, and I like the words “Military intelligence, two words combined that can’t make sense.”
I’d have to go through each bands’ wikipedia page, but I think some of the worst things are;
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Disagreed on who wrote what, leading to members leaving or the band breaking up
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Disagreed on who owns the name, leading to court battles and the band splitting in two
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Important members leaving, and while the band is still fun to listen to both new and old songs, its not the same
And of course the dreaded sin of “Why does no one know who I am talking about, they need more fans.” but that’s not really a thing of their own.
You better run for your life if you can, little girl
You better hide your head in the sand, little girl
If I catch you with another man, that’s the end, little girlFun pop lyrics or psychopathic threat of violence?
I’ve been surprised to read some of the Beatles lyrics, they seem quite rapey/threatening sometimes.
and you know what I mean
I mean, one is lyrics for a fictional killer, the other is real life spouse abuse. I don’t know about you, but real life events are worse than written words.
John physically abusing his family is way worse than lyrics of an intentionally creepy song.
You’re preaching an imaginary point here.
I was just making the observation that knowing about John’s penchant for domestic abuse makes looking at Beatles lyrics an interesting thought experiment.
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Andrew Wood, lead singer of Mother Love Bone, recorded a song ostensibly about how he’ll always love heroin more than his long time girlfriend/fiancé then ten days later he overdosed and died.
Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) is a prolific anti-Semite.
Besides all that, Waters is a dick really. Downplaying the role of the rest of the band in making Dark Side Of The Moon is a shit move.
Anti-Semite or anti Jew?
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noun: antisemite a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
Semite: Descendant of Shem, son of Noah. This includes Jews and Arabs.
Anti-Semite: a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jews and Arabs.
It hasn’t been used that way in hundred of years.
Anti-Semite: a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jews and Arabs.
“Antisemitismus” was adopted by Jew-haters in Germany specifically as more “racialist” way of saying Judenhass (Jew-hate), because they saw racism as more scientific than religious bigotry. It’s still the same old Jew-hate. Notably, neither the Nazis nor other antisemites particularly care about Arabs.
Also a Putinist.
He’s pro-Palestine and there’s a villain in his stage performance that is a Nazi. I don’t think Waters is an anti-semite though.
If he is pro-Palestine then he cannot be anti-semitic by definition
Just saw Anti-Flag a few months ago right before they broke up suddenly because of an allegation.
That one was devastating 😭
Consider me out of the loop, I’ll have to go looking now.
Justin Sane is apparently a rapist.
They’re broken up because of some allegations. I’m sorry you have to learn this way. I never saw them live but have always wanted to, now I can’t.
because of some allegations.
They are pretty horrendous and the women have similar stories, I think we’re past the point of ‘allegations’ and straight up call him what he is: a serial rapist.
I think what’s more shocking is Justin claimed to be pro-feminism and he committed acts on women who did not consent to the treatment.
Fair enough. I only used the legal language because I hadn’t looked into it that much so I didn’t want to say something wrong and then have people yell at me that he’s innocent or something. But ya, this one sounds pretty bad.
Saw them with Flogging Molly. Complete surprise to me too, because I didn’t see or notice them on the bill until that night. Show was killer. Then like a month later I see their description on the new album says “former band”. Fucking heartbreaking and now I’m concerned about that sweet girl from Pink Shift.
Mellowed out over time. They all do it and it makes me sad.
Oh hey I know what this hardcore three piece needs, a symphony backed album. A rock ballad. A mandolin solo. Interpretive drums. Take something pure and water it down until it is no longer recognizable.
Give me loud riffs, simple drums, and boss lyrics pls.
This.
They all eventually release an unplugged album which sounds like all the old upbeat tempo tracks as 45 played at 33⅓.
I want to cry a lot. Mainly because I can’t buy the aforementioned 33⅓ and play it at 78 because I don’t have a record player anymore.
I’m Gen X and I still hate Country and fucking Western. If anyone sees me looking admiringly at corduroy or jackets with leather patches, have a lethal implement to hand. This note hereby indemnifies …
/rant
I don’t know, and don’t’ care. I listen to the music.
Cool story bro
Metallica when they shut the bed and started attacking their fans.
Roger Waters. I think he means well and wants people to be happy and that’s why he’s a leftist, but wow that guy can pick the wrong side in a conflict. He is a terrible advocate for the causes he supports.
Was a big fan of eric Clapton but I learned later in that he’s racist so now his music leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I regret seeing him instead of Chris Cornell. I was sure clapton would go before Cornell :(((
Knowing he’s a racist makes it interesting that he made a living off of playing music invented by black people. Also makes it even sweeter that Hendrix destroyed him on stage while jamming with Cream.
BB King seemed to disagree that clapton was racist but kinda hard to say that when clapton went on that rant
It just says that he values money above everything else. Racism is #2.
