Discovered recently that Electric Wizard were kinda dicks back in the day. “At the time, we were pretty bad people. I got arrested for arson of a car, outside a police station. Tim [Bagshaw] went to nick a crucifix off a church roof so we could use it onstage…”
R. L. Burnside killed a man “possibly at a craps game.”
Varg of Mayhem Burzum burned a couple churches and killed a bandmate.
I could list other examples, but would like to hear from other people and other music genres.
Electric Callboy used to be called Eskimo Callboy until somewhat recently. Eskimo is now considered a slur for the Inuit and Yupit peoples. I’m fairly sure thay EC meant no offense by the term and rather used it out of ignorance (as evidenced by them setting in motion the presumably rather extensive process of changing their entire branding, including pulling old songs and changing all their old album covers), but given their early albums were all about edgy funny provocation, it’s not a great look.
It was so wierd to find out it is a slur. We had marshmallow Eskimos which were rebranded to Explorers.
It’s a bit more complicated. Only some specific tribes consider this a slur. Other tribes do not. There’s nothing offensive in the term itself (it’s not pejorative) so it’s more about using one term for different tribes that don’t consider themselves to be members of the same group.
TIL
Just saw Anti-Flag a few months ago right before they broke up suddenly because of an allegation.
That one was devastating 😭
Saw them with Flogging Molly. Complete surprise to me too, because I didn’t see or notice them on the bill until that night. Show was killer. Then like a month later I see their description on the new album says “former band”. Fucking heartbreaking and now I’m concerned about that sweet girl from Pink Shift.
Consider me out of the loop, I’ll have to go looking now.
Justin Sane is apparently a rapist.
They’re broken up because of some allegations. I’m sorry you have to learn this way. I never saw them live but have always wanted to, now I can’t.
because of some allegations.
They are pretty horrendous and the women have similar stories, I think we’re past the point of ‘allegations’ and straight up call him what he is: a serial rapist.
I think what’s more shocking is Justin claimed to be pro-feminism and he committed acts on women who did not consent to the treatment.
Fair enough. I only used the legal language because I hadn’t looked into it that much so I didn’t want to say something wrong and then have people yell at me that he’s innocent or something. But ya, this one sounds pretty bad.
So, I’m the moderator of !ClassicRock…how do you want me to start the list? Chronologically, quantity, severity??
Severity Top 5
How about in order of “Most Pedophilic” to “Least Pedophilic”. I’m aware that this list will be pretty top-heavy
So Gary Glitter is gonna either start or end the list…
jimmy page too, with his 13 year old girlfriend that he kept locked in a hotel
Never heard that one. It’s pretty common knowledge that Bowie, The Stones, Led Zeppelin and all of the massive stars of that era were fucking teenage groupies that followed them but 13…….eek that’s a few notches worse.
i believe page was 29 years old too, so its an even bigger gap. and it wasnt just casual sex dude was “dating” her (basically keeping her captive in his hotel room)
Yeah let’s go by severity
Mellowed out over time. They all do it and it makes me sad.
Oh hey I know what this hardcore three piece needs, a symphony backed album. A rock ballad. A mandolin solo. Interpretive drums. Take something pure and water it down until it is no longer recognizable.
Give me loud riffs, simple drums, and boss lyrics pls.
This.
They all eventually release an unplugged album which sounds like all the old upbeat tempo tracks as 45 played at 33⅓.
I want to cry a lot. Mainly because I can’t buy the aforementioned 33⅓ and play it at 78 because I don’t have a record player anymore.
I’m Gen X and I still hate Country and fucking Western. If anyone sees me looking admiringly at corduroy or jackets with leather patches, have a lethal implement to hand. This note hereby indemnifies …
/rant
I used to love Avenged Sevenfold back in like 2005/2006. They used to fly confederate flags at their concerts, and even had custom guitars with the confederate flag panted on them. Back then I didn’t understand the significance of that, but that’s really fucked.
At least they have apologized for it and said they regret doing it. I believe people are capable of learning from their mistakes, but tbh, I haven’t kept up with them so I’m not sure if they have truly become better people than they were back then.
I never knew that about them. I casually enjoyed a few songs here and there when I heard them and thought they were good but not really my genre of choice. I really respect that they apologized and changed behavior. As somebody in my mid 30s and was therefore mid teens 20 years ago, I also was unaware of the hurt and hate involved with things I saw and said and did at the time. But you’re right, it’s important to be capable of learning and growing and changing behavior and apologizing for the damage done. We all make mistakes, and to pretend otherwise and deny ones own mistakes is a sign of immaturity and responsibility.
As someone also in their mid 30s, I think a lot of people really misunderstand how the confederate flag was viewed so casually by many people up until recently. It was always offensive to some, but I genuinely was unaware of that as a teen growing up in the 2000s. It was just an image of being kind of edgy and rebellious but I genuinely didn’t think much of it seeing any band using them. Watching Skynyrd or Guns N Roses videos of live concerts? There were “rebel flags” pretty often and I just kind of let it go. It meant nothing to me.
I was in my mid 20s, probably, when it really was explained to me how insensitive that can be. I never associated it with racism or slavery up until that point - and I’m pretty sure that’s the same thought that a lot of these bands had. The absolute best thing to do is exactly as you said: own up to it, change your ways, and grow.
Yeah that’s how many viewed it in Texas afaik, growing up it was more a “rebel” flag then a, “I’m a racist piece of shit who wants the south to rise again” flag.
Still probably better to leave it in the past.
There used to be tons of confederate flags in music, even Tom Petty had them on his stage.
Well, if it’s shitty things you want: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews_Band_Chicago_River_incident
never forget
no one died that day, but many wish they had
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On August 8, 2004, a tour bus belonging to the Dave Matthews Band dumped an estimated 800 pounds (360 kg) of human waste from the bus’s blackwater tank through the Kinzie Street Bridge in Chicago onto a passenger sightseeing boat sailing in the Chicago River below.
800 pounds?! How?!?!?!
Passenger boat Chicago’s Little Lady was hosting the 1 p.m. Chicago Architecture Foundation tour of the Chicago River.
all passengers were issued refunds.
The boat’s deck was swabbed by its crew, and service was resumed for its scheduled 3 p.m. tour.
This boat crew is the most metal thing in this entire post.
What probably happened is that the boat absolutely stank, and they decided not to tell the people at 3pm what had transpired
Stench? That’s just the river.
Arguably their release with the most lasting cultural impact
Oh… fuck
Oh… shit
I grew up on a lot of metal bands, including Iced Earth. Absolutely loved them, even saw them open for Megadeth as a kid.
Then Jon Schaffer went and proudly participated in the Jan 6 attack, so now it’s kinda hard to listen to their music anymore.
Also hard to listen to Megadeth these days, too. Partly because they stopped being good after Risk, but also partly because Dave Mustaine turned into a born-again Christian nutjob.
At least he fired Junior for uhhh… palm muting on his bass.
In hindsight, Jon Schaffer might’ve been a total dick all along considering the huge turnover in IE’s lineup over the years. He’s probably horrible to work with.
Also, looking back, his lyrics about hidden societies fucking shit up for humanity leave a sour taste in my mouth given that he fell in with the whole Q bullshit.
Damn shame because I loved me some IE but now it’s hard to listen to.
Yeah, it definitely puts a bad spin on the Something Wicked story they’d been telling. Which is a shame, because it was cool thinking it was just about aliens and magic curses and shit, but now knowing that he probably believes there’s more truth to that story than he lets on, it just doesn’t feel the same.
Gotta watch out for “hidden societies” because it’s almost always a dog whistle for Jewish people
Oh yeah absolutely. It’s wild how much of this shit comes back to old-fashioned antisemitism when you know where to look.
uhhhh if you’re going to mention Megadeth, it’s probably better to focus on how they kicked out their bassist for grooming underage girls in 2021.
Lead singer of sonsombre is a card carrying member of the sons of the Confederacy.
I used to love Brand New back in high school and college. When The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me came out, it pretty much captured my life for months. Turns out that the album’s lyrics were a little more… autobiographical than most people thought, and Jesse Lacy is a shitty person.
Also
Varg killed Euronymous because Euro was talking about making a snuff film of Varg because he (E) was jealous of how much success Varg was having with his own project and activities.
Keep in mind that Euronymous’s response to his band’s vocalists’ suicide was to take a picture of his dead body and collect pieces of his skull to hand out to his friends as necklaces. Out of all the shitty things Varg Virkernes has done in his life, killing Euronymous just about makes up for it.
Preaching to the choir dude, Euronymous was a dick.
Man, if I were in a scene where anybody was doing anything close to shit like that I would be like “I’m gonna just do my own thing in my bedroom, you guys can have fun with all of this, goodbye”
At least Jesse Lacy agrees that he’s a shitty person, and he’d probably be the first one to tell you he’s a shitty person.
Relevant Brand New lyrics:
It’s hard to be the better man when you forget you’re trying.
That whole scene of Norwegian Black Metal was a wild circus.
Crazy when I stop and think about how damn young they all were, too. Dead was dead by 22, Euronymous was dead by 25, Faust was I think 19 when he committed a random murder because “…I guess he wanted to know what it’s like to kill a person” (according to a band mate).
Just an absolutely crazy little world.
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I have always loved Rammstein and I still do, however this summer their vocalist was accused of sexual abuse of fans or something but the lawyers found no offense so nothing happened, though apparently they did have a manager for finding hot fans for the band’s aftershow parties which is kinda nasty but not illegal
All musicians have done the same thing from the beginning of time. Some are sucks like Jagger going for under she girls where others just want to pay with got chicks that usually want to party to.
It’s nothing rockstars haven’t done since there have been rockstars really. It used to be sort of acceptable but times have changed for the better.
Sigur Ros’s ex drummer was accused of rape and the band itself was accused of tax evasion.
Didn’t know that!
Neurosis’ Scott Kelly being domestic abuser was the bad one for me.
Oh dam, I like that band.
Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) is a prolific anti-Semite.
Besides all that, Waters is a dick really. Downplaying the role of the rest of the band in making Dark Side Of The Moon is a shit move.
Also a Putinist.
He’s pro-Palestine and there’s a villain in his stage performance that is a Nazi. I don’t think Waters is an anti-semite though.
If he is pro-Palestine then he cannot be anti-semitic by definition
Anti-Semite or anti Jew?
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noun: antisemite a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
Semite: Descendant of Shem, son of Noah. This includes Jews and Arabs.
Anti-Semite: a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jews and Arabs.
Anti-Semite: a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jews and Arabs.
“Antisemitismus” was adopted by Jew-haters in Germany specifically as more “racialist” way of saying Judenhass (Jew-hate), because they saw racism as more scientific than religious bigotry. It’s still the same old Jew-hate. Notably, neither the Nazis nor other antisemites particularly care about Arabs.
It hasn’t been used that way in hundred of years.
