Because you are designed to seek out salt and sugar as a survival trait; then decided to mass produce it and put it into everything. Now your tastebuds have been ruined, even the standard apple/banana has been genetically modified to have more sugar
Genetically modified? That’s a stretch.
Like many other cultures, bananas and apples were selectively reproduced to obtain fruits with more to eat. Corn, carrots, every single kale and cabbage, potatoes, oranges and even strawberries can go into this basket.
The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.
But to call the work of millenia and who knows how many generations of farmers genetic modifications is a bit over the top.
GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more) resistant plants.
GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more)
Those bastards!!!
resistant plants.
Oh…ok…
How dare people and companies make plants that help people eat. Most disgusting thing ever.
The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.
I cannot help thinking about the first proto-human that started munching on the tips of wild grass.
- “Hey Unk, check out Krug over there, chewin on the grass. That shit’s messed up.”
- “I dunno Greg. Looks pretty tasty to me.”
Our ancestors were primarily leaf eaters, so moving to grass wouldn’t be that unusual. But let’s picture the first proto-human that decided to go for the carcass of another animal, either killed by a predator or by fire or lightning. That would have been an event.
I’m pretty sure most primates are omnivores so they’d have been hunting as well just more in an opportunistic way
If we are to go back far enough, we are bound to find an ancestor mostly herbivore. On that level, going for the scenario I mentioned would have been some event.
Selective breeding and grafting modified the genetics
Bananas all being clones
There’s no reason to separate the terms
A skyscraper and a toolshed are both buildings technically speaking. So in that sense you are correct, only technically correct.
I would have said a skyscraper made of metal and a skyscraper made of cement are both skyscrapers for your analogy but sure
Let’s analyse that.
Selective breeding increases the frequency of a given set of genes, already present in a species, in order to better manifest specific, more advantageous - either nature or human chosen - traits.
Random mutations can occur when biological reproduction happens but unless extreme and radical - which often prove fatal for the offspring - are not relevant for the species in the immediate.
These principles are applicable to both plants and animals.
Now grafting takes a part of one plant - usually a small branch - uses another plant to provide the root system - usually something that grows much faster than the graft - and this process multiplies asexually the plant from which the branch was oroginally cut. No genes are carried over between the two plants.
This is valid to get a bunch of trees out of a single one in a very short time but it will not introduce new genes into the crop.
Quince trees are often used as root stock to graft other trees, like pear and apple. If the seeds from those grafted trees were to be sprouted, planted and nurtured to maturity, apples or pears would grow but of completely new varieties. The quince trees used to provide the root for grafting would provide zero genes to the new varieties.
Can you expand on why you consider grafting as a tool for genetic manipulation?
it will not introduce new genes into the crop.
Under normal circumstances new genes would be, but the new plant isn’t considered a new species (like tigons not being a species)
normal circumstances
As in a quince tree cross polinate a pear tree or an apple tree?
We absolutely genetically modified pretty much all of our food. We just did it by selective breeding.
The only difference with modern GMO is we’ve learned to do it directly much faster. We don’t need a random mutation to add a trait anymore.
Can we get a geneticist here?
Last time I was taught about biology, selective breeding was a process through which, over a long period of time, individuals with favorable traits were multiplied in order to increase the prevalence of such traits.
The genes were already introduced, hence, no modification. Already existing characteristics were allowed to further express and refine.
Genetic modification, to my understanding, implies introducing genetic information into the genome of an organism to produce another with traits previously completely absent in the species.
Selection vs manipulation.
I’ll concede there are a few cases where the lines blurr, like the golden rice, where a gene that codified the production of vitamin A in the grain was/is already inactive or so receassive, in order to have it express again would require gene manipulation but I think a selective production program was put forward in an attempt to bring out that gene again.
Selective breeding is just one of the methods used to genetically modify our food.
I think you two have different images in your minds. You say “genetically modify” as in “modify the food through choosing which genes are to prevail”, while the other means “modify genes directly to affect the food”, and in that sense selective breeding isn’t GMO because no genes have been modified, but rather encouraged. You modify the genetic structure of future generations through natural means, not the organism directly.
Don’t know what scientists say, I just see the other comment downvoted when they have a fair point.
I can’t agree with that.
The basic notion of genetically modifying an organism implies changes enacted at the genetic level, through artificial means, not biological.
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iirc the modern banana is actually a less flavorful variety than centuries past, but not for selective breeding reasons. The more popular variety, the Gros Michel, was susceptible to a certain fungus that wiped it out by the 60s. Those apparently tasted closer to the artificial banana flavoring that is still used today and in fact are what that flavoring was based on (albeit probably quite a bit more sugary and concentrated since it’s still a candy flavoring).
And then you have other produce like apples and tomatoes being bred for size and yield, since that will both net more profit and feed more people. This often necessarily means that the produce will lose flavor in the process, as well as nutritional value by weight since the size/yield increase is mostly just the crop taking up more water. (I think the genetic modification you mentioned is in some part meant to correct that inverse relationship between yield and nutritional density, but I’d have to read up more on the subject.)
So I think you can just as much argue that it’s not our tastebuds being ruined so much as produce itself being considerably less appealing to them.
You can buy Gros Michel bananas still you just have to put in some effort. If you are in the USA and have the cash the Miami Fruit Co ships them when they grow them. I haven’t checked but I believe they are in banana season.
Whoa, looks like a really cool company in general! Thanks for the tip!
The gros Michel is also not a natural banana. Those were also all clones of each other. Natural bananas have big ass seeds throughout them.
Sauté it in what, God?
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Sauté it in what?
In the pan, duh.
I’ve had properly sauteed and spiced asparagus and it still tastes awful to me. I’m just very sensitive to the bitter compounds in it.
Cut off the heads off the asparagus. That’s where it’s most bitter and it messes with the rest of the dish. My wife does this as well.
I have used that trick when served asparagus, it definitely helps. But I would still prefer green beans, or broccoli instead.
don’t cook it, just slice the stalks very finely. delicious. i like the heads mashed in with mashed potato but that’s more effort than it’s worth really. any way you eat it, your piss will stink to high heaven
Oh I’ve tried raw, way too bitter for me to enjoy.
I just spent Thanksgiving with my family, and was reminded how much my parents love boiling things. Fucking disgusting, no spices either? Fuck bland potatoes. It takes almost no effort to just toss a bunch of fucking spices on them and then put them in the oven.
Isnt thanksgiving a month from now? Are you like from the future? Why did you suddenly come back? Is the whole world doomed and you came back to warn us of something terrible?!?!?
Canada also has a holiday called “Thanksgiving”, and it was last week
Omg yikes you’re Canadian?
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There’s dozens of us.
And we all know each other!
I dunno, time travel seems more reasonable.
Are you of norwegian ancestry?
My dad does this, just boils vegetables and potatoes so long that they’re reduced to their component quarks and then serves them in a bowl with nothing on them. For bonus points, he makes sure they’ve cooled off to room temperature before we eat. I want to blame the Great Depression for this style of “cuisine”, but he was born after that shit.
No excuse for bland potatoes. Even boiled, they can taste good. Low effort, throw some dill on those bastards. It’s that easy. My mom is diabetic, and down a kidney, so salt and sugar are not really things in the food she makes, but it always tastes good.
Cook nearly any veggie in shallots, cream, whisked in egg, top with Parmesan, broil until brown.
Veggie gratin that isn’t the most healthy but is better than nothing, and brilliant served as a side to steak. I recommend mushrooms, spinach or zucchini.
It’s unhealthy.
Was gonna say, that sounds pretty high in fat. Definitely better than a lot of the alternatives, but I’d only call it just this side of not healthy.
The real problem is that healthy food really is only good if it’s fresh, and so it’s a lot more inaccessible than shitty, processed either frozen or fast food.
Cuddle fish and asparagus…or vanilla paste?
Yes
Okay, I’ll eat both…just as soon as apple and/or amazon sews your lips to my anus. Maybe I’ll stack some fiberone bars on top of it so that I fart for a few hours before the shit comes out.
Nope. You can’t fix bitter vegetables. Hell, you can barely smother them enough to hide the taste. I’d rather die “young” from eating delicious trash.
As someone who just started liking brussel sprouts because I learned how to cook them right, you’re wrong.
So the question is…
Who was he referring to when he said “oh my god”?
I would have written that as “oh my me”
His son.
Semantics aside, Jesus is supposed to be the physical embodiment of god, so wouldn’t it still pretty much just be the same guy?
It’s both the same and different. The contradiction is a “feature” of the Christian faith.
That’s a whole mess of differing theologies, some of which (many of which) have been declared heretical.
The general term for this branch of theology is Christology and lots of stuff has been written about it.
If the father, son and holy ghost had an orgy would it be a threesome or just masturbating?
Asking the real questions.
This is a very debated question which mostly depends on which Christian confession you belong to.
Don’t try try to bring logic to the illogical.
put some salt on the veggies an hour before eating.
salad literally means brined vegetables.
“Oh my God!”
Who is God’s God?
God.
Lauren Faust
Her holy icon:
She holds doll of her human avatar:
Her human avatar holding doll of her:
just be an actual paedophile and get it over with
Nobody wants you here, and I suspect nobody else has ever wanted you anywhere else either. Please spill back into the sewers with the rest of the waste.
WTF is this? What’s wrong with you?
It’s commonly accepted by most people that don’t watch My Little Pony, that the grown ass men that do watch MLP, and always hyper obsess over it, may be subtly indicating that they are into other children’s things.
Ah… Huh. Do they know that fans in order to not be adults now whould need to be 5 years old or younger when show started?
What? My Little Pony was created in like 1981. Anyone who watched the show when it aired is middle aged now.
your idolisation of children’s pony cartoons is a flimsy front for your attraction to children. castrate yourself
Wouldn’t it be more logical to suggest that idolisation of a children’s pony show is more of a front for a furry? Or is it because the show is created for children, if an adult likes it they’re a pedophile?
I always assumed MLP fans were closer to furries. The show is about horses, not kids?
Why are you expecting logic from someone as hateful and moronic as the person you’re responding to?
Furries want to be their fursona and usually also fuck in them (not with them).
While bronies have jars with their favourite pony, which they masturbate over to fill the jar with semen.
The infinite regress of creator’s creators.
Super God, duh
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Bill Murray
The author.
Dog
The real reason is that unhealthy food contains ingredients that were rarer for our ancestors to obtain. Dense caloric food meant surviving a winter, but our winter never comes.
but our winter never comes
Sad George R. R. Martin noises
sad season 7 noises
uncanny mr incredible season 8 noises
God saying “oh my god”
Guess he needs an imaginary friend for comfort aswell
The bible actually says there are other gods beside the main one; he’s the king of kings, god of gods. But maybe there’s an emperor of emperors, God of gods of gods? It’s gods all the way up.
Finally, a comic by Mr Lovenstein with positive message!
nutritionist hate this one trick.
All these air fryer, broiler, sautéing, and other methods…
Y’all forgot about microwaves. Microwaves and veggies are amazing. Broccoli, carrots, etc. Microwave until a fork still has a little resistance. Add a spot of sour cream or honey and dill… Or something. Tada. So fast. So yummy.
And it retains the greatest amount if nutrients
Okay I microwave veggies a lot because it’s convenient but we cannot pretend that the fart cloud created by microwaved broccoli is in anyway close to the delicious crispyness of stir fried or baked broccoli
Try microwaved beets. Mmm.
Sounds good. My parents make microwave potatoes often, and I have to admit they’re good. My microwave broke a couple years ago and I haven’t missed it, though.
Cold beets straight from a jar are actually delicious.
