The suspect is believed to be Robert Card, a 20-year US Army veteran from Bowdoin Center, Maine.
(according to Telegrams so take with grain of salt)
EDIT: Name confirmed by news.
According to law enforcement, CARD recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, ME.
firearms instructor
army reservist
The mythical “good guy with a gun” to fashoids, checks all the boxes and yet here he is shooting people in the back at a youth bowling league.
Apparently he wasn’t a firearms instructor. At least thats what I heard on the news an hour ago.
Probably the guy who runs shooting ranges
What
Sometimes news stories will confuse instructors and range officers. Instructors are supposed to teach you something, ros are supposed to be the people who pay attention to what’s going on and make sure everything’s safe/legal.
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Having the #1 high school for opiate overdoses in the nation would somewhat argue against the structural integrity of your hypothesis.
Also reducing public safety down to reported murder rates is some really airtight logic
I doubt the person you’re replying to believes that the murder rate is the one and only true indicator of “safety”
I also would have assumed that, had they not said “historically Maine safe” then linked homicide statistics for three random years like some kind of chatbot scripted 10 years ago by some 14 year old kid whose mom works for the Greater Maine Chamber of Commerce, yet here we are
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Life expectancy across the country is falling like a rock, very few of the root causes aren’t incredibly bleak and/or unfixable issues but everyone thinks they understand how violent crime works.
I just tell myself being wrong is just the first step of learning, the only wrong move is giving up
It’s probably just the god of statistics and averages biting Maine’s ass.
And again, there will be no consequences at all. Not a single mentally unfit person in the US will lose the “right to bear arms”.
You know, I saw a specific political ad that I think adds to this point quite well. It was a local one, but my state has been taken over by Trump Republicans (aka straight fascists). I can’t find the ad because there have been so many comically evil people in government in the state that I can’t just google it because a ton of different scandals come up. This ad was created by the family of this Republican running for office. His family was talking about how they had been trying to get the state to take away his ability to own guns because he was just absolutely batshit and his family thought he was a danger to other people. He had even had violent scandals in office already during this election. Still won though.
This is just going to keep happening over and over and over again. It’s always a tragedy but never a surprise.
This is a very active and dynamic situation. The image of at least one active killer has been released by police. He is armed with a tactical rifle.
Oh fuck, the shooter is still at large? I can easily imagine this getting worse as people go out to try and find the shooter.
as people go out to try and find the shooter.
Nobody is going to do that
Reddit might :boston-bomber:
looks like another white guy?
There were no initial signs of terrorism.
The not-terrorism/terrorism scale really is
. The article was mentioning that this one event is close to being over the total number of murders in the state for all of 2022.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Fucking evergreen
The way I see it, the ship sailed on preventing mass shootings in the US with either Sandy Hook or Columbine. The shock of children being butchered gave way to The Discourse ™ and now a large proportion of the population just accept shootings as a fact of life like car crashes.
Add to that the sheer number of guns in the US, as well as the gun-related brain rot in the general population, you’d need a campaign of concerted government action that would make the war against drugs look like child’s play.
I agree completely. Just compare america’s reaction to continuous mass shootings to that of Canada or Australia. The massacres at Ecole Polytechnique and Port Stanley led to sweeping changes in gun legislation in both countries, while Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, etc have led to basically nothing being done to curb the endless stream of mass shooters. Now I’ll leave discussion about firearm legislation for another time, but I can’t help but think a basic screening system along with mandatory firearm safety training if someone wants to own firearms goes a long way to reducing gun violence. Of course there are issues with how that sort of thing is implemented and who ends up being approved (
), and I don’t see a realistic way to implement buybacks/confiscations/licensing program without 
exacerbating the whole situation and leading to even more mass shootingsSomething that might cut down on it tho would be a robust social safety net. It’s pretty easy to get a gun if you really want one in Denmark, yet we don’t really have mass shootings - you can get pistols legally here, though its a difficult process. You can get arms illegally relatively easily, if you’ve got the money. Same goes for other countries.
Though no other country is so weirdly obsessed about guns as the us is, both in terms of “gotta have em” and also using them? At least it seems like that to me. It’s like a totem or a cultural signifier or something. People need to carry them everywhere, and everyone needs to be able to have it. It’s fucked up.
But still, other countries do make weapons available to the public at large (though far from the ease which it is in the us), but mass shootings aren’t a thing. Possibly because people aren’t as stretched out physically and mentally. That combined with not having gun stores on every street makes a big difference.The American obsession with guns goes deep, all the way to the very conception of being American. The country was founded on a settler colonial fantasy of exploring a new (to Europe) frontier, and the actual settlers had to be quite self-reliant, often living in very remote areas in challenging climes. On top of the settler-colonialism, there grew a strong identity of self reliance and rejection/independence of society. I think some early American settlers were really self-reliant, having acquired their own means of production and in fact not needing to interact much with society. Of course, the majority of Americans were urbanites from the beginning. Yet, the idea of the frontier was always prominently in mind and cited proudly by all Americans regardless of their actual lifestyle.
I will gloss over a lot of American history and simply state that augmenting the national military with state militias made sense both before and after the American Revolution, so it is not surprising that a limit was put in place (the 2nd amendment) to prevent the federal government from monopolizing access to guns. But this was in large part a consideration of the rights of state governments vis-a-vis the federal government, in terms of their own established militias which already existed, not necessarily for random joes to open-carry in their local Walmart.
That is some historical context for the early link between gun ownership and American patriotism … the question remains, why has it stuck around even to the modern day, when the vast majority of Americans were born here and live in urban cities far away from any “frontier”?
I think that question is the one most people, especially non-Americans focus on. Clearly it is the result of a concerted propaganda effort on the part of the US military/Hollywood, and in recent decades, the Republican Party and NRA. They have morphed the existing frontier mindset into something somewhat new and more abstract, a generic anti-authoritarianism in which the gun owner no longer defends against a specific foe like nature or “savages” or the British, but organized society in general, which they blame for eliminating the Wild West which they so desperately wish still existed in order to live out their settler-colonial fantasy. (See also: Westworld)
Didn’t expect to write this much, but my point is basically that it will take a lot more than solving material conditions of poverty to eliminate the backward gun culture in America. Like @[email protected] said, it’ll take a concerted re-education effort to undo decades or centuries of propaganda about American culture itself and what it is to be American.
Thanks for the writeup! Very interesting
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Now we wait for more ChatGPT generated thoughts and prayers and the usual “there is just no way to solve this”
Don’t forget about all the posts about how this is actually Hamas
Gun laws in Maine, they seem pretty lax. https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/maine/
Open carry allowed with no permit, and it’s a “castle doctrine” state.
Where’s all the good people with guns?
What’s your solution?
Three years on this site and nobody ever mentioned This?
The only people allowed to own guns are communists, and it’s a Kalashnikov provided by the state.
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The only people alloqed to own guns is me and i make them have little personalities and dance around
Aren’t most states castle doctrine?
Yeah all states have some form, and Maine is one of the more (relatively) sensible ones.
What’s your solution?
Reform our society so that people’s needs are met and it’s not a pressure cooker of misery.
Or design guns for babies and small children.
Reform our society so that people’s needs are met and it’s not a pressure cooker of misery.
Sounds unamerican
Or design guns for babies and small children.
Good news! There’s the JR-15 (their website was down lmao)!
Amazing.
On this website, probably
Firearms aren’t allowed in places that serve alcohol up here. Also very few people actually carry, even less so in our urban areas.
Any motive yet?
Not yet. White army dude so it’s either some guy that america broke yet again or he’s a nazi with a manifesto, one or the other.
What’s the difference?
American society seems to put so much pressure and anger inside people that they utterly break.
Nazis on the other hand haven’t been broken by a societal design that drives people to want to die and to want to take as many people with them as possible. They are ideological true believers that fully believe their acts are accelerating the move towards their fascist goals and are willing to die for it.
I think this one is starting to look like mental health rather than ideology as he’s reported hearing voices, added some more info to the OP.
What’s the difference?
Really?
I’m saying a “Nazi with a manifesto” falls pretty squarely into “person that America broke”
I suppose you have heard of not all broken people are assholes, but all assholes are broken people? Same thing here. All broken vets are not nazis.
You on the other hand have proven yourself a rather clear asshole.
That’s way more agressive and harsh then what they said deserved.
I don’t disagree that there’s a difference between between what was phrased earlier as someone broken by America and a Nazi, but no reason to get that angry over someone asking what the difference is, or not caring so much about the difference when they kill a bunch of people
I don’t understand how you’re getting that from my comment? I didn’t say that all “broken vets” are Nazis?
Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles.
Go back to reddit, if youre in the military for 20 years youre not a good person even if youre some pog who doesnt do shit. I can understand ppl who do a contract even two and then get out but 20 years is a long time. Too much to not be a brainwormed imperialist
squares and rectangles. plenty of ways to break without becoming a nazi
Gotta admit, it’s the first time I’ve heard of that place since I would listen to this song as a child. The way Fred says “Lewiston Maine” has been deeply wired my neurons and I feel like I just got a nu metal activation code.
Edit: i had forgotten how dog shit this song is, I apologize
Note to self: sample the isolated drum tracks on significant other.
It’s peak production value over songwriting value. Terry Date was most definitely in his best drum sounds ever era - Digital Bath by The Deftones was the following year, for example
Oh man, it’s been so long since I’ve listened to Limp Bizkit. Lowkey kinda still dig it lmao
Limp Bizkit is bad and this is bad for Limp Bizkit.
holy shit I don’t know if I’ve ever actually listened to them, that is bbbbbad
welcome to the jungle punk, take a look around
