If you’re offended by this meme, you’re a liberal.
Liberal = anti-authoritarian
Voting is a means to change government policy without killing each other. Any arguement againest liberalism is an arguement for the use of warfare to change politics and all of the bloodshed that will be included. The vast majority of humans benefit from free and fair elections. Communism is authoritarian so not liberal. Any political party that wants to use democracy and voting to avoid bloodshed and have political change are liberal.
OP has a history of anti democratic rhetoric and repeatedly encourages violent changes in government. As long as the elections are free and fair we have no reason to use a violent revolution and cause the unnecessary massacre of innocents.
That’s a lot of words to say “I’m a liberal.”
Troll says what?
Liberals are not anti authoritarian lmao as an ideology liberalism upholds the capitalist state via state violence like the police and military, enforces borders violently, and lets people die violently instead of providing basic human necessities like housing and food and water. Liberalism ≠ democracy, liberalism = democracy for the bourgeoisie.
Elections cant be “free and fair” when the media and government are controlled by an economic class that needs to enforce homelessness and starvation as a threat to make their fake economy function.
You’re confusing rampant unchecked capitalism with liberalism. They are not the same.
They are the same thing in every modern context, name a single liberal party around the world that doesnt support everything in my post
Name a single powerful country regardless of politics that doesn’t support everything in your post. Then try to split every powerful government by liberalism and authoritarianism to see who is worse.
Definition of liberalism
“A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.”
Democratic/liberal governments are not perfect because nothing in life is, but everything you point out as a flaw in democratic/liberal governments are perpetuated even worse by authoritarian governments.
You complain about police violence? Look at russia and china for how bad authoritarian police violence is. You complain about liberal/democratic use of militaries, but please show me the powerful and benevolent authoritarian governments that have ever existed. You complain about the media being controlled by liberal elites, but authoritarians just change that to the people at the top of the state further limiting free speech. Your attacks on liberalism and democracy are nothing more than strawman arguements.
Why would you assume i dont think china and russia are capitalists? Of course they are, and their governments are filled with liberalism lol.
The fact that you think Russia and China are bastions of liberal ideas says volumes about your inability to comprehend the world.
IDC voting for a Nazi makes you a Nazi, voting against doesn’t make you a liberal or socialist or communist or even antifascist
Clearly this meme doesn’t apply to Argentina
voting against doesn’t make you a liberal
OP said voting isn’t going to stop fascism, not that you’re a liberal/whatever if you vote against it
Literally how it works.
Hitler was voted into power.
This post isnt about hitler being voted into power at all, its about getting rid of fascists via electoralism. Can yall not read between the lines?
How is it you are so certain what OP meant by this post? Are you they’re alt account? If not, then you’re just pushing your interpretation, so maybe stop being such a condescending know it all.
Then it’s a very incomplete post. Hitler, a fascist, could have been removed from power by multiple elections.
Instead, people voted for his party more and more.
Why choose an election-dependent dictator that set up and held special elections to meme that dictators don’t care about elections?
No, he wasn’t.
Brief recap:
- Feb 25, 1932: Hitler is appointed to a position that grants him German citizenship.
- Hitler runs for President of Germany in the 1932 elections. He loses.
- The President Hitler lost to appoints Hitler as chancellor.
- President dies; Hitler merges his chancellorship with the office of President, becoming Führer.
I can see the hairs you’re trying to split, but Hitler was appointed Chancellor because his political party gained power through elections, it was not some random appointment.
It was Hitler leading the Nazi party in elections that led to his chancellorship: winning a few seats in 1928, then winning 107 seats in 1930, then winning 230 seats in 1932, leading to his appointment as Chancellor in 33.
Elections continued after that, furthering support for the Nazi party, 288 seats in 1933 allowed the Nazis to form a coalition government, then in November the Nazis received over 90% of the vote and all seats and again in 1934, when he declared himself the leader rather than just the chancellor, that referendum passed with 88%.
Voting is important, Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power through valid elections and then consolidated power with less valid elections.
And Hitler wouldn’t have been appointed if he or his party didn’t get many votes. IIRC it was the strongest party in the parliament.
It was the loudest, but without the aid of the conservatives, they wouldn’t have had enough votes to form a government.
A number of candidates stood in the first round. Hindenburg was not included among them as he would not be nominated as a candidate until the second round. Instead, the most popular candidate of the political right was Karl Jarres of the German People’s Party (DVP), a former Minister of the Interior, Vice-Chancellor of Germany and mayor of Duisburg. Otto Braun, the SPD’s candidate, was a former Minister-President of Prussia and a well known and respected figure. The Centre Party’s candidate, Wilhelm Marx, was the chair of the party and a former chancellor.
The other significant candidates were Ernst Thälmann of the Communist Party (KPD) and Willy Hellpach of the German Democratic Party (DDP). The German Völkisch Freedom Party (DVFP) put forward Erich Ludendorff but secured only a negligible share of the vote.
My point with the above is if someone besides hindenburg had won then hitler may not have been appointed. Also it was the first general election of the nation so not exactly a rock solid democracy at that point.
Do tell, OP, what are you doing outside of voting, I’m sure you’re definitely not a hypocrite
You’ve seen this meme, right? What reach. wow
The Nazis and fascists won’t be defeated with low effort memes.
Your mom. Lol
So… Indeed nothing then. My mom died you asshole
I know. I was there when it happened.
I hope you’re not an adult
That’s what his mom said.
How’s middle school going for you bud?
I got expelled for shitposting.
Spicy
No you’re right, we should take the pelletguns we’re allowed to own and attack the largest most heavily armed force on earth! There’s no chance you haven’t thought this through and just want to make people feel bad about a system they didn’t create.
In the phillipines and india there are communist parties with tens of thousands of members fighting their government with real weapons, almost all of which were stolen from their oppressors, winning large swaths of territory for the people of their respective nations. Both countries which have far right american backed governments with the US providing drones and training. Fighting the forces of facsism via protracted peoples war is very possible, and you should feel bad for not organizing.
Do you think the Phillipines or India could best the American war machine? They have tanks and I have a .22. But do go on and tell me I should feel bad. Dumbshits like you are why oppression happens to begin with. You can’t even point to a valid enemy, you’re here shaming people for choices they didn’t get a chance to make.
Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance comes to mind here.
You can only be intolerant of intolerance.
I don’t give a shit about Karl Popper and I’m tired of people thinking quoting some dead dude is an argument.
I’m tired of people thinking quoting some dead dude is an argument.
Thank you for also agreeing. I hated having to quote Shakespeare when writing my paper on Hamlet, as if the word of some dead guy has any bearing on what Hamlet was about.
Haha, good one
It is a reference. A clear reference. One you can google. I even threw in a link ffs.
If voting is so worthless, why have leaders and tyrants spent so much time suppressing it?
Also Hitler and his party DID lose in the 1932 election…
What a coincidence. His main rival, the Soviets, also lost their election.
You answered your question
By “lose the election,” they meant won the most votes but were unable to form a majority government. Only through other parties/people in power negotiating and allying with Hitler did the Nazis find themselves with some power that enabled them to seize total power.
He was not a Nazi, but von Hindenburg decided he would rather align with the Nazi Party than allow anyone on the left influence over the government, which sounds a lot like today’s Republican Party.
If parties on the left had won more votes, Hitler would not have been able to seize power in this way
I did?
If you’re referring to Hitler coming to power, that wasn’t by a democratic vote but a most-likely staged fire at the Reichstag to scare the people, and Hindenburg, into swearing him into power.
If I remember correctly but I’m not an expert on the matter of the 1932 election.
Theyre not referring to hitler coming into power, theyre talking about removing fascists from power, did this sub get hit by an experimental unable-to-read beam?
Of course it’s not worthless, but a lot of people seem convinced that because they and their friends are voting a certain way then whole election just has to swing their way.
That’s why it says “lol you’re finished!” as if he’s actually done something to him directly, instead of saying “I did my civic duty, hopefully my side wins.”
propaganda saying that votibg is worthless is a fascism strategy, that’s how they win
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It’s a meme
'cause not Voting directly supports the Fascists, your objection is assumed propaganda.
Every Election, no excuses.
So don’t vote. Got it. What could possibly go wrong?
This isn’t saying “don’t vote”, it’s saying that voting is insufficient (by far) to stop fascism.
That’s a bingo!
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If you’re offended by this meme, you’re a liberal.
