I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention, rather than a casual “hello” like it is now, so it sounded rude to some older folks.
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Teachers in 2023: “NOOO you can’t end your sentences with ‘fr fr nocap skibidi’ those aren’t even real words!”
2033:
Is it a reference to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibidi_Toilet? Is it used as punctuation like “lol”?
2033: “Why would you say any of that corny old shit? You sloopy old frond!”
Seriously. The “Fr fr no cap” is closer to our generations “Swag yolo”. Or the past generations “Tubular”
This is a bitchin observation.
I think it’s a pretty good example of something that totally lost all meaning and got beat into the ground, rather than getting worked into some individual lexicon or accent, and having a specific kind of role.
Totally passing observation on top of that, but I think, it’s probably much easier for that to happen to specific references, than for that to happen to actual novel uses of language.
Do we have a RemindMe bot for Lemmy yet? I want to re-read this prophecy in 10 years
A bit late but
@RemindMe@programming.dev 10 years
2035: We flippin’ grunts out here or what?
Me n my grepies outta die sinkies by flipoin grunts
2050: ARTMEWTC (Acronyms Are The Most Efficient Way To Communicate)
🖕
2060: 01010000 01110101 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110000 01110101 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101001 01101110 01100110 01101111 01110010 01101101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 00100000
2070: The unification war is over, we can all be chooms again.
2480:
main: push rbp mov rbp, rsp mov eax, 0 pop rbp ret
Binary solo. Also the humans are dead.
I poked one, it was dead.
Can we just talk to the humans?
No. Because they are dead.
It was “yo” for me. Any time I used it some old shit would complain. My mom called it n-word speak. Me and my mom don’t talk.
I use it daily, mostly out of spite.
She wasn’t ok with yo but the n word was ok? Hahaha wtf old people be crazy
My mom was about 35 when she said that. Went to services every weekend.
Hey! Listen!
I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention
Used to?! O_O
Still does, but depends on the emphasis
“Hey aulin!” = Hello
“Hey!/Hey, aulin!” = Getting your attention
‘Sup
'Sup with the whack Playstation, 'sup? Huh?
What?
When I was a waiter, there was no shortage of boomers getting genuinely upset with me saying “No problem” as a reply to “thanks”.
I had no idea that it’s considered improper. Online gaming is like
thx
np
I only ever did that when typing via controller. If I had a keyboard I used full sentences but quickly. Sometimes the speed meant lack of proofreading though and weird things have been said.
Thx must have been too many letters because all I see now is “ty”
Nobody expects online gaming to be a bastion of proper grammar.
People type in abbreviations when gaming mainly due to lack of time though… Much better to focus on the game than typing more than necessary to convey a simple message in those cases.
It’s a stretch for kids to write anything completely online. We call it Kid Pidgin.
Pidgin btw
Kidgin
Ugggggh I went through this with my (boomer) boss for years until she finally accepted it lmao. Then it was, “WORRIES, CaptFeather! WORRIES!” as a joke every time I said it lol
I prefer to say no problem over you’re welcome cuz it always (to me) sounds sarcastic/disingenuous when I say you’re welcome
It’s like this:
You have a boss. A wrinkled plus-sized brown business jacket of a man whose idea of “cutting costs” is turning the air conditioner off. If he caught on fire, you wouldn’t piss on him to put him out. How do you address him? “Good morning Mr. Perkins, how are you doing today?”
You’ve got a war buddy. You met at boot camp, you served in the same company, he splinted your leg in the field, you’re his kids’ godfather. You’d kill and die for this man. How do you address him? “Ah god not this fucking asshole again.”
Official formal polite language like “Thank you” and “You’re welcome” is the pair of nitrile gloves I put on to handle the really noxious shit that comes my way. “w’thanks man” and “no problem” means I’m willing to handle you with my bare skin.
“No problem” also carries the implication that the favor was taken and done without ill will, where “you’re welcome” carries one of superiority
Superiority from using formal language?
Well one would expect it at a five star restaurant, but not your local dive. So… kinda…?
I thought it was every day life politeness, but I am not native. I would rather expect “the pleasure is all mine, sir” at a 3 Michelin stars restaurant.
To me “you are welcome” comes off as taking credit for something minor and expected. No problem does the opposite. I prefer when people say no problem generally over you’re welcome. And that’s why it’s become more common in a day in age where people are expected to be less servile.
I like to say no problemo. It suggests that the favour was done with a touch of Mexican
As an Aussie I don’t understand how people get confused by ‘no worries’ .
I’m an American and I say that all the time. I’m not sure how I picked it up.
There’s a little Aussie inside of everyone.
Bonzer!
Inmates lost all manners smh
Nah the prison guards are too uptight.
Imagine repying “danke”, which is thanks in German
Because there’s a difference.
Not an important difference, no.
Ok. 🤦🏻♂️
“No problem” takes “You’re welcome” and implies that it was of no inconvenience to you either. But I understand that older generations find it important that service workers be most humbly at their service, and adhere to a strict social etiquette just short of “Yes, m’lord” and “Shall I suck upon your dick, sir?”
“You’re welcome” is more appropriate in a professional setting, but if you’re getting your jimmies in a rustle over someone saying “No problem” to you instead, you’re a bit of an assfuck.
If you are a service worker at a restaurant, then that is literally your job, to serve.
I love it when I order a sandwich at my local banh mi place near my office and you can see the cashier literally eye roll every customer that orders. They can’t even look you in the eye…
If you want people to be happy to be serving you then demand that they are paid more.
Otherwise buy your sandwich without any delusions of grandeur and fuck off.
Min wage is $15/hr
I’ve never heard being polite described like that, oh my. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think either phrase is impolite. Good manners are a made up thing. If someone said ‘thanks’ to me and I said ‘tiddle dee dee’ I’m not being rude, just a bit weird, nobody’s honour has been questioned, I haven’t said anything that could be taken as an offence.
It’s literally meanings of words strung together being described.
You are welcome = you are welcome to my servitude
No problem = I don’t mind doing this thing for you
Oh you. 🤦♀️
And why do people need to pander to you specifically? Cant people be themselves?
Those are narcissistic traits.
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Who said anything about me, specifically? Saying “no problem” makes you sound insincere or that the task the customer asked you to do, was literally no problem and that’s the only reason you complied. There are all kinds of ways people can interpret that, but only one way to interpret “you’re welcome”.
I’m not going to say anything if you say that, but don’t act surprised when older people aren’t as forgiving.
If someone says you’re welcome, you know they are a corporate drone and management wants them to say that to avoid certain people making a scene. Why’s it insincere to say no problem? In the same vein, they only said you’re welcome because they are complying too.
There’s no issues with saying no problem unless you want there to be. Those are cool workplaces.
I just pointed out the problem. That phrase can interpreted many ways. We are also not talking about office buildings, we are specifically talking about the hospitality industry, where the language you use makes a significant impact on the customer’s experience.
And so can you’re welcome. So why does it matter which phrase if both can be misconstrued?
Language matters everywhere, who mentioned anything about an office building?
The implication is that a problem was assumed until “no problem” was stated.
“No problem” is absolutely low key rude.
I often say “hey, anytime”. Is that acceptable?
I personally see “anytime” as a much more appropriate reply to “thank you” than “no problem”.
only one way to interpret “you’re welcome”
This is just wrong. Tone matters just as much with “you’re welcome” as it does with “no problem”. Language is fluid like that, and it’s completely arbitrary to elevate one of these expressions over the other when both are in common usage.
Also, you’re deliberately misrepresenting what “no problem” means, in regards to “that’s the only reason you complied”. Nobody says it that way, and I don’t believe that you think they do.
Using semantics to make your point, is lazy and misleading. Of course you could say “you’re welcome” in a tone that could be taken as rude, but that wasn’t the point. The point was showing the difference between the two phrases.
Your entire argument is based in semantics.
There is a difference, but it’s not one of inherent meaning, it’s more or less a generational culture difference.
I’ll place this here and pre-emptively say that assisting your understanding was… no problem https://youtu.be/eGnH0KAXhCw?si=sVBI__SCJ3mQkkWo
You’re right, why should words actually have an inherent meaning? 🤦🏻♂️
They’re idiomatic phrases people are supposed to say by custom, divorced from their literal meanings.
They do not? All words are invented and meanings morph over time.
They literally don’t (with the possible exception of onomatopoeic words), one of the defining factors of language is that it is arbitrary.
It’s obviously arbitrary, given how we’re changing the meanings of words to fit the current narrative, but that doesn’t change anything.
It kills me, that zoomers and young millennials think that it’s the older generation that’s the problem, rather than the generation complaining about how another generation reacts to certain words in certain atmospheres. If you can’t understand why they react that way, maybe you should be looking in the mirror instead of criticizing them.
This is an old pattern, language changes. You can react to it however you like, but things have already changed in your lifetime. Wicked or hot, for example,
Lol did they specifically want “you’re welcome?”
Absolutely. I could understand it if it was a formal dining place I suppose. But it was a fucking Applebee’s in a 20k population town with one other restaurant lmao
Applebees is Sit down McDonalds with better food. If one of your seating option is at the fake wood bar its not fine dining.
A family member of mine briefly worked at Applebee’s. Literally everything is microwaved. I happened to get a Fettuccine Alfredo there and have one of the Marie Calendars frozen Fettuccine Alfredo meals (>$2 at the store) in the same week and realized once its plated you literally could not tell the two apart. Same quality, same quantity, but the store bought meal costs 1/5 the price and is somehow ready faster
It was probably the finest dining in town though.
Y’all was different back then too. Now it’s the most neutral greeting and that’s really odd for my 90s brain.
I will die on the hill that “y’all” is a more concise way to convey the same information than any of the alternatives.
Tell that to every kid in Texas, that the teacher ever made write “yall is not a word” on the blackboard 100 times.
I haven’t gotten a chance to use it yet, but one day the construction “all y’all’d’ve” will be relevant in my life.
That not even uncommon in the south!
“Let me try next. All y’all’d’ve been better off calling me in the first place.”
I’m pretty sure I’ve legitimately busted out “y’all’d’n’t’ve” before
Many languages have a plural second person pronoun, English can too y’all. It’s a legitimately useful linguistic feature.
English used to have “ye”, but we dropped it. Then we all looked around wondering where it went and had to recreate it.
“Y’all” down south. “Youse” in Philly, New York, Boston, etc. “Yinz” in Pittsburgh.
I think “y’all” is the best choice. I’m not a fan of “youse”. “Yinz” doesn’t even deserve consideration in my opinion.
Are there any others?
I am deeply saddened to learn about Yinz. WTF Pittsburgh. What do they got in the water up there?
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I think we used to, but it fell out of use. Now it rises again with the South. (Wait…)
Ha?
Dr Hah isch bei die Henna!Remember Yo?
Isn’t that just Swedish for “hello”, brought here by Swedish immigrants?
Hej is definitely Swedish for hello. Not sure about the etymology of hey in America but it certainly makes sense.
I think people were mostly bothered by it when used to get someone’s attention… For example, as a substitute for “excuse me” or using a person’s name.
hAy is for horses, hEy means hello, they’re literally different words.
So are read and read are the same word? How about lead and lead? 🤔
Just like data and data :)
gif and gif
Hey
Hay is for horses.
What the hay?
Frankly, I knew one person who replied “hey is how you call a horse”.
The calling parents “dude” wars are still raging, though.
My daughter is not allowed to call me ‘dude’ or ‘bro.’ I don’t care if that’s old fashioned or closed minded of me. I like being called Dad or Daddy, and shouldn’t it be my choice what I’m called?
maybe depends on how old the daughter is?
if she’s 6 then yes. if she’s 20? umm get over yourself.If she’s 20, I still want her to call me Dad. Why don’t I get to decide that?
really its cultural and traditions vs modernity and respect vs loving, etc. maybe her showing what you feel is disrespect is her showing informal comfort. maybe if you want her to keep calling you at all in a few years you can love her as you find her. the world is harsh enough to teach her plenty without you being a bridge troll to her safe space.
It has nothing to do with respect. I just want her to call me that. If she wanted me to call her by a nickname, I would.
I call my mom dude all the time.
I fought in the hey/hay wars in my early childhood. Weost many good soldiers, but their sacrifice was not in vain.
