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Reddit has shown the middle finger to users’ decade-long commitment, ignored all complaints, and demonstrated it doesn’t care, which has destroyed all trust.
Now, Reddit is asking, “Can we be friends now so you can continue to work for us for free? We want to follow through with our plan of cashing in and need your contribution.”
What, after firing all of them and removing their best tools?
But hey, they’re “leaders and stewards” of their communities now, and not the landed gentry!
One day they’ll even be paid for the huge amount of free labor and content they provide Reddit!
Almost certainly. Well, maybe, anyway. Probably. Right?
archive.org link to the r/modnews thread. Needless to say it’s not going down great.
edit: updated link with a newer snapshotOh, reading that was fun. If Reddit is trying that things must not be going well for them backstage.
Hilarious that his first few comments address why the sub is restricted to only allow comments from specific people on a post titled “more ways to connect live with us” then he only actually replies to one other person with some corporate PR non-answer. What a fucking joke.
Damn that is a fantastic read. I’ve never seen so much poison on so many tongues.
Words are wind, and that is all that Reddit is offering mods.
I feel bad for them. They clearly care far more about the communities they have created than Reddit can even pretend to.
This isn’t a converstaion. This is comments be slung back and forth. I argue you can’t really have a conversation on these kinds of platforms and at this pointit’s pandering at the best and downright insulting any other way as every step the mods attempted to speak out and they ignored everything including forcing them open back up.
Honestly i understand how these folks don’t want to walk away fron communities they helped build, but how bad does it have to get before you do walk away?
Sadly communities rise and fall faster than the tide on the internet. Find something for you that you control and contribute to that, no some douchebag exec that sees you as a dollar sign.
Also there were no answers or conversation there. Just 3 comments from the admin, 1 saying he’d take the feedback on the lowest scored post and then 1 refuting something and the last pointing to that refutinf post.
Why does this feel like one of those “the villain invites all of their rivals to a meeting to end them” situation?
“Spez sends his regards”
they take note of the mod’s loyalties, depending on what the mod replies to each of reddit’s proposals. then when marked, they terminate the least loyal ones.
You say it like a joke but I think spez might be small minded enough to do this
Actually I did not say it sa joke. What I said is what will happen. It’s basically a loyalty check, frequently used by organizations.
I love how sassy The Verge’s coverage of reddit is.
Maybe reddit is how they got their content most of the time. The verge trully is a redditor.
Maybe reddit is how they got their content most of the time. The verge trully is a redditor.
So, we’ve all had a… time on Reddit lately. And I’m here to recognize it, acknowledge that our relationship has been tested, and begin the “now what?” conversation.
acknowledge that our relationship has been tested
This is so emotionally manipulative / abusive, and says everything anyone needs to know about reddit/spez. It’s like if someone burns down your house and says “look i’m here to acknowledge that your house has been burned down, but we can still work things out bestie <3”
Yeah.
"I’m done bullying you now! It’s time to move on and be friends again. :)
…
What? You want an apology? Why are you so pigheaded and angry and clinging to the past and unwilling to work things out? We’re all adults here, so let’s be level headed and reasonable about this. Stop yelling. You could at least be civil. You’re the problem, and you pushed me into this. Don’t make me the villain."
And of course that passive tense “has been tested” so they can avoid claiming responsibility and try to frame it as “both sides” at best. But really more like “me right, you wrong, I have big stick.”
Barf.
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Mods: We want better mod tools. PLEEAAASEE!!!
Reddit: Here’s a pizza party
The July metrics must have shown them engagement is plummeting, especially content submissions, which have been garbage since the blackout. One look at r/all shows most posts being up for hours and sometimes days at a time - it used to be a matter of minutes. Doubtless this is also reflecting in their traffic metrics as well.
As someone who contributed there since the pre-Digg days, after discovering the Fediverse, I’m never going back. Reddit arrogantly assumed that there was no other platform mods and contributors could go to that would provide what they do. But when it comes down to it, the Fediverse does what Reddit did, with more features, flexibility, and without the threat of centralized mismanagement. The only thing Reddit had that the Fediverse doesn’t was an audience of millions, but the audience follows the content, and the best place to create content online is right here, right now, right here, right now, right here, right now….
Welcome to the next evolution of the web, Reddit, and to the realization that you pushed your audience to evolve past their need for you.
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Don’t worry, it’s just the content creators and mods that left!
Thanks! Always good to see the data behind the trend.
Agree with everything you said but was secretly hoping you linked to Right Here Right Now by Jesus Jones… The hottest song of 1991.
Funny, I thought it would be this, the actual hottest song of 1991! 🤘
Damn that brings back high school memories - thanks! I totally agree it fits as well.
I went with the Fat Boy Slim vid for the evolution theme and the fact that the guy on the bench at the end was the best analogy that came to mind for Reddit in its current state. Jesus Jones seems to be speaking to how I feel after discovering the Fediverse.
Reddit fucked around and it found out.
Don’t forget they deleted premium and awards completely. They seem to be making the worst possible decisions at every turn. It’s absolutely breathtaking.
And that one I REALLY don’t understand. They kept saying they wanted to be profitable, but then intentionally cut off a primary source of profit?? Oh to be a fly on the wall for THAT meeting…
but then intentionally cut off a primary source of profit??
It might just show that advertisement was the much bigger source for money.
Well, that would explain premium at least, but weren’t many of the awards purely vanity? Or were they worried that people wouldn’t buy them because it no longer gives the recipient premium? Either way I’ surprised that their first response was removing them entirely instead of raising prices, eliminating only premium to see if people still bought awards, or like, literally anything else
It’s like… I keep imagining what if I were a Manchurian Candidate CEO and tried to destroy the entire value of my company as surely as possible before being found out, what decisions would I make? And I must say, what spez and musk are doing keeps surprising me at every turn, because even in my imagination I have not come up with schemes as effective as theirs.
Don’t worry they’ve rolled out a subscription now! You can pay $50 a year to see a bunch of reposts and propagand bots while the admins jerk each other off!
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“You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.”
While the intent may be pure stupidity with no malice, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t pushed by social forces of class warfare.
Interesting, however I tend to disagree. Although these sites have been good means of organizing, the corporate overlords had to know that alternatives would quickly replace them if they burned them down. Seems more likely that they are desperately trying to monetize these sites, but just way too out of touch with how hard us working class plebes are being squeezed from every angle and literally can’t afford to pay for the most basic form of entertainment like this. Literally, I can hardly leave my house without paying something to exist in a public space. I’ll be damned if I pay more than I already do (a device, internet, electricity) to exist in public online spaces.
Unfortunately Netflix’ plan to squeeze even more out of people seems to have worked though :/ I was hoping for the same effect there, i.e. that people would instead resort to alternatives like piracy… Maybe these are different audiences though? Or is it maybe more important to people to have entertainment to escape real life (like streaming services) than entertainment with a flavor of empowerment?
Yo ho!
while reading you post, I visited reddit. the latest i’ seein on HOT All and HOT Popular is 6hours old post and the oldest is 15 hours. It truly has slowed down over there. and I did not see much interesting original content, most are reposts.
Yep - I watched the same thing happen at Digg after they went down the path Reddit is now. Within 3 months of their infamous redesign, it was a ghost town.
Reddit will likely limp on longer, but I think they severely underestimated how badly they’ve harmed their own business.
Viva la revolution! Let us all be fucking in heaven!
I also did the delete post/comment thing with the delete script before api is gone for good. Put up a browser container before even search clicking anything on reddit.(only search for things that still exist, not even logging in.) I only post engage on lemmy now.
I feel bad for that VP, because I don’t see them being able to affect the kind of change that the mod community wants.
This time they’ve learned that sacrificing a CEO on the Altar of Public Opinion is too costly; so this time they are just doing it to a pathetic Junior Executive who they probably only gave a slight pay bump and hired from a pool of internal candidates that were leaving the company anyways…
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Please Note, the above statement is satire only; but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were true.
They never sacrificed the CEO. The cost was too great. They probably will sacrifice a junior executive, though.
They did with Ellen Pao
Yeah, but she was brought in to fail. Spez has been there how long?
I just thought VP at tech was the same as VP at finance. That is to say, meaningless.
I didn’t think it was that worthless.
Prior to the API fiasco, Reddit Inc had demonstrated a pattern of promising changes to the mods which they failed to deliver timely if at all. They’ve acknowledged this pattern, promised to do better, then failed to deliver time and again. That part isn’t new.
Then the API changes were announced and the Reddit community gave Reddit Inc the loudest and most decisive rebuke they ever have. That was the feedback conversation. And Reddit Inc went forward with their plan unchanged. No concessions were made. No concerns were addressed or alleviated. Reddit Inc was informed of what this decision would break and they went ahead and broke it anyway.
As a former mod, there is nothing left to discuss. There is no reason to believe Reddit Inc will act on anything that doesn’t agree with what they’ve already decided to do. I’m not going back to that kind of abusive relationship. They had their chance to listen to feedback and made it clear that they won’t.
Very well said! Reddit’s lack of any response to feedback is one thing. However, to actively act like there has not been provided feedback already is disingenuous and well just more of what Reddit has proven they want to be. If they would come out and actually address the already provided feedback, I still wouldn’t trust them as far as I could metaphorically throw them.
I modded a 10M+ sub for years and years and it is laughable how inept reddit’s engineering team must be when it comes to developing mod tools. They literally have open source teams hacking mod tools into browser extensions and they still couldn’t figure it out.
After a while it became abundantly clear that this kind of boring, iterative feature engineering was just not well funded compared to other parts of the company.
I made a poc https://modder.lemmyverse.net tool that I’m hoping to expand on for Lemmy tooling 😄
That’s a great point. The entire last 2 months have been continuous feedback sessions. The Ama with spez is full of well upvoted feedback. There was a simple 5(?) item list with direct feedback and requests during the blackout with steps on how to accomplish it.
Reddit inc proved in the last to months what they do with feedback
You’re welcome to give all the feedback you want, just don’t expect anything to happen because of it.
I’ve got inside knowledge of where this valuable feedback is going, try and keep it private tho
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Don’t worry, it’s just a friendly meeting with the Bobs
“Looks like you’ve been missing a lot of work lately.”
“I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it, Bob.”
Its the guy that answered 2 questions in an AMA pretending they want feedback. They got all the feedback in the world.
