i’ve seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don’t think its ok so i thought i’d ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don’t see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn’t this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn’t register or what?
edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don’t like it or get it, but i’ve had my fill of arguing with y’all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i’ll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.
now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i’m just going to add some context for y’all
most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw.it wasn’t my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn’t realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.- i’m not american. i’m technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don’t always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don’t how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i’m trying to tone police y’all. that’s really not my jam, but y’all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
- i still don’t like the joke, so i’m going to remove them from my feed. if y’all don’t have an issue with it that’s fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y’all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i’m over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
- i haven’t been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:
As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former
I haven’t seen that here. Must not be as active on this site as I thought. But yeah I’m not a huge fan of that kind of talk. It isn’t constructive and is excessively edgy.
Yes it does. Try saying it sometime.
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Seems fine
I think the odds of someone misinterpreting and actually committing genocide are pretty low.
Yeah guys, it’s impossible for anyone to take it the wrong way. Anyway, does someone know of a good thing I can do with a big
with a “whites only” sign over it?
It doesn’t sound like something I should say, and I don’t say it in public, but I have to admit I feel warm inside hearing another person say it
…it’s more a emotivistic thing with a social, Wittgensteinian element: we say stuff we think others want to hear, and the harder we say stuff they wanna hear, the better we will have said itIt’s like not when I say “fuck Nazis” I am literally commanding my audience to go forth and fornicate with fascists
I say these things to piss off right wingers, not because they are something i should say. The end goal of my politics are to subject them to the same constant headaches they subject me to
The end goal of my politics are to subject them to the same constant headaches they subject me to
Brb building socialism just to serve my real objective…to trigger the chuds.
“From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” and “Free Palestine” are being called genocidal statements. There’s no point moderating our speech against the global north. As long as the global north maintains a stranglehold on global media and culture, anything we say that is adverse to their interests will be called genocidal.
If our opponents are wrong and we’re right, some people will eventually say “hey there’s a real difference here, I’m going to support the folks who are right.” That was a real appeal of the left to me and to other leftists I’ve discussed this with. You can look as deep as you want into leftism and still find that things check out, where looking into other ideologies even a little quickly brings out major contradictions.
It usually takes more effort to do good things, and do them right, than to do bad things.
As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former
Do you condemn the genocide of whites in Haiti or the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe? Just curious.
no
White genocide is an obvious farce no matter how much you try to gotcha, but when there is an active genocide happening I think it’s acceptable to consider using it as a joke to be a bit pastiche
No, I don’t, but I still think making jokes about genocide isn’t ok.
Acting like ‘revolution = genocide’ is the core of “white genocide” arguments.
Yeah as someone who found it funny and has read through this thread, I agree here actually.
Genocide is different from taking your yacht apart to build a school.
“The First World” (or Global North, etc.) isn’t an ethnicity, race, or any group of people. And it should be destroyed. This doesn’t mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that “Death to America” means kill everyone in America. It’s also not a joke; it’s a meme phrase but the sentiment is genuine
Yeah but i personally think whites should be destroyed
This doesn’t mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that “Death to America” means kill everyone in America.
Genocide does actually mean “kill everyone,” though.
Yeah, and we should kill the entire first world, without limits. Death to America, Death to Canada, death to the UK, Death to Germany, death to France, and so on…
Based
DEATH TO AMERIKKKA. DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN.
UNLIMITED EXORCISMS ON THE WHITE HOUSE AND CAPITOL BUILDING
Exercise them from reality.
yesEDIT: Another session struggled, unlimited reeducation on the imperial core
This is what I’ve been saying.
Both saying that phrase and also asking people if I should be saying it.
Yeah, I’m Team “This is pretty cringe and something that a board that’s 80% white would come up with.” Imagine saying “unlimited genocide on Israel” (which you would be saying since Israel as a US proxy state counts as being part of the Global North) and trying to argue it’s not aktually anti-Semitic lol
“Imagine saying [something different], that would be pretty racist of you”.
Imagine saying “unlimited genocide on Israel”
I thought we were already saying that with “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”
I think it boils down to the word “genocide.” I have never heard anyone who isn’t some 4channer use “genocide” in the non-literal “we are ethnically cleansing a people” sense. No one who isn’t some soon-to-be white supremacist spree shooter say shit like “I’m going to genocide the vermin infesting my house” or “I’ve ethnically cleanse the termites from my house.” Reactionaries gamers who spend too much time on 4chan love to throw around that term to say that they’re playing a “kill everything that moves” route.
IMO, the word “genocide” is a word that shouldn’t be used likely.
I completely agree with being uncomfortable seeing genocide in the context of even dark humor- the original
meme was funny (to me) because it was pointing out the similarities in demeanor between someone who would say that, and a 4chan basement dweller being congratulated with tendies for behaving ‘normal’ in public.Yes in-jokes can be funny but remove context things can quickly become hard to defend- and if an in joke is something which needs that level of consideration maybe that’s an indicator it shouldn’t be a ‘joke.’
Petition to change it to “unlimited coups on the first world” or something.
Closer to the actual sentiment and sounds cooler anyway
Nah sounds weird, at least go with “unlimited revolution” or something
Complete defeats the point of the meme either way though, it’s supposed to be shocking and unhinged.
