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Requiring things outside work is unpaid overtime.
Look, I go to the gym 5 days a week and do 30-40 min on an exercise bike and 20-30 min on a stair climber each time I go.
But I cannot fucking run, period. I’ve got god awful joints that cannot take that kind of impact and I’ve dislocated a knee cap twice. Not everyone can run, not all workouts work for all people. This policy is nonsense.
Running is mind numbing. I find myself just spending the entire time getting angry I can’t find the one song or podcast I want to listen to.
Stephen Hawking is not pleased with your post.
Other than the disability, privacy and disability concerns already raised- Running is SO boring. What if you prefer other cardio activity or a mix of strength training and cardio? Why does it have to be running?
The article says climbing and walking are both accepted.
What about fu-- uhh jumping?
Fu-- uhh jumping Jack is fine as well.
It’s still a bit of a mockery to ask employees on wheelchairs to get up and walk if they want their bonuses.
Running has always been where I was able to just let my mind wonder. It’s like meditating while exercising.
I also can’t see how this doesn’t open them up to lawsuits for any injuries incurred from a sprained ankle to a blown out knee or a heart attack. I’m a manager in a large company, and I got a bit nervous at some of the offsite activities, and those were mild things like dunk tanks. Plus I bet the entertainment company or venue carries that insurance. This is literally making the run part of the job, and it’s a relatively dangerous activity.
You and most people in this thread are right but I’m sure that can’t be a concern in their legal framework, otherwise they wouldn’t have come up with the idea.
I know a number of companies that have introduced exercise programs. In every case it’s clearly done on the employee’s own time, is made accommodating, and the reward for completing your 4000 steps per day or whatever is a tee shirt or something. It’s not that these things can’t be done.
Plus companies do stupid things that get them sued all the time. Look at Elon.
It’s in China… You might end up in a work camp for getting injured and speaking up about it.
Swimming is better for your joints
Run 2 miles/day to receive a bonus of 130% my salary? That seems insanely good value and this is coming from someone who has run about a total of 2 miles since I left school.
Get the train to work and park just over a mile away, run to catch the train and go to work. After work run back to your car. Instant 130% salary increase
It’s because these employees needed these bonuses. They were essentially a normal part of their compensation. Now it’s being held hostage.
It’s the amount that get crazy, my work has some goodies/benefit for people who exercises, but it’s like a free T shirt once in a while, a charity event where they give 1€ per kilometer to charity, and negotiated discount for some activities. But a 30% or even more bonus?
I know what to ask to HR
Unless you’re disabled, elderly or otherwise unable to do this… Not to mention how is this tracked? I don’t want MY employer knowing what I do or where I go in my free time.
Yes, of course there needs to be exceptions for those less able.
It’s tracked by a fitness app according to the article. Just turn off permissions once you’ve finished your run.
Yes, of course there needs to be exceptions for those less able.
So people would need to disclose their medical information to their employer now too, and also hope that they not only keep it private, but consider it at all, with all… none of their medical knowledge? Oh, sorry, only disabled people, you know, so that they can qualify for whatever “exceptions” to this discriminatory bullshit the boss comes up with…
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Only thing required is this to be made explicitly illegal.
Ooo boy, time to fire up my GPS spoofer!
If someone wants to give me a nice Christmas present I’ll wear 2 watches. ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
In my company they gave you a fitbit type device. The deal wasn’t as good. I think it was free HSA money or something.
Dystopia on top of dystopia. Need a special fund to not die when sick. Job makes you do extra. labor just to afford health care.
Man I would love this
ITT: people who couldn’t want a mile if they were PAID TO.
welcome to 2023, year of the obesity plague
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Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.
But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?
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The issue isn’t whether it’s a healthy idea. The issue is that the employer is overstepping personal and professional boundaries.
Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.
I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.
Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.
Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.
The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.
Just because it’s good for the company does not mean it’s not overstepping boundaries.
The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.
I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.
I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.
What if you got a bonus for taking an external training? Still no? This seems like a weirdly hard line to draw fo a bonus
Training in a job related field is actually related to job performance.
But it’s not really about the bonus. It’s about the boundaries. I see no problem with setting hard boundaries between personal life and work life.
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Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for
I haven’t said anything about disabilities.
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I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Oh, grow up.
SJWs
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First, disabled people exist.
Second, the article makes it clear walking only counts for 30% credit.
Third, if you are not doing it, starting can be very difficult.
Fourth, the top bonus requires 62 miles per month.
Last, why should there be a bonus based on something unrelated to your work?
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If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability.
Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.
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Clearly. I said likely, not “all”. Likely assumes situations in which that is not true which in this case is the exact thing you said. Thank you for reiterating.
You still have it wrong. You can’t just show up and easily get disability benefits. And that statement still reinforces the lie that the disabled are lazy, when the disabled want to work. And that is only people that meet the definition of disabled. There are surely more people with physical limitations that don’t otherwise qualify as “disabled”.
No where do they talk about this.
They specifically say walking only gets 1:0.3 credit. How can you assume that is unpoliced when it is a specific policy? The logical assumption is that is IS policed since they took the time to give lesser credit to walking.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not a cop out. Exceptions can and need to be made.
And they have no exceptions. That is the point.
So let’s just prevent all people in society from healthy activities because it discriminates. Let’s drag all of society down to the same playing field for fairness. Solid reasoning. You know what’s easier reasoning to reconcile. Exceptions to the rule.
What a straw man. No one is preventing people from healthy activities.
‘Prevents you from moving’
Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.
If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.
You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.
You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.
And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.
Jfc calling us slobs. Go fuck yourself.
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- Lmao NO. Disabled people work. We have this whole law about it and everything in the United States where employers have to provide reasonable accommodations and allow you time off work without compromising your job status.
I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.
We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.
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If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking. If you can’t do that then quite honestly you’re not in any sort of good shape.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day. If you’re not walking at least a mile a day you are doing your body a massive disservice
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking.
Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking
My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day.
Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.
100km/mo = 3.33km/day or A little over 2 miles a day.
Which sounds do-able if you’re fit and healthy. But what if you’re disabled or partially disabled?
If you can’t do 2 miles a day you are nowhere even close to the realm of a healthy person. Like not even within a 100 miles of healthy
Or disabled. I found out yesterday I get to go back into a total contact cast for a foot deformity. :( I currently can’t walk to the mailbox, forget about two miles.
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Reality is you dont want to run every day. You can. But you should not for the sake of your joints.
Realistically this should be 6-8kms, 3-4 times a week.
Fast walking is about 90% of the benefits of running with 10% the injury potential (casual assessment)
Unless the company is going to allow me to run in company time or pay me my base pay plus overtime on top of the bonus that’s a hard fuck no from me.
Company wants my time, they better damn well pay for it.
ETA. Thinking about it more, nah this whole running for your bonus is bullshit and I wouldn’t do it even if they paid me overtime since running/exercising unless your job is directly related to it, running has nothing to do with work performance which the bonus is based on.
Yeah I wouldn’t even want to play video games if my bonus was contingent on it. Way to suck the joy out of something positive, corpos
I run anyway, may as well get paid for it
I mean me too, but not for money
Now you’d technically be a professional runner.
So just don’t take the bonus, then? Easy enough. Bonuses aren’t part of your normal wages. They’re given, not owed, not unless you do whatever they say you have to in order to earn them. So if you don’t feel like doing whatever it is that your company demands in order to receive the bonus, then just don’t do it and don’t get the money.
You should probably run miles each month anyway so maybe you won’t die in your sixties from heart disease.
Yeah, what’s wrong with you and your stupid wheelchair? If you want a bonus, you should get up out of that wheelchair and start running on your stumps!
Wait, is your argument here that people in wheelchairs are incapable of exercising? That’s pretty ableist, dude.
I’m pretty sure they’re incapable of running. You know, the thing they give bonuses for?
"Oh hey, thanks to you and your team for working all that overtime these past few months to make sure the project was done on-time and turning this potential loss of a client around.
However, we noticed that you and your team didn’t run enough during these months so we’re going to have to dock your bonus for the year but thanks for all of your hard work for the company."
But yeah, just don’t take the bonus.
I mean being active anyway is a good thing for you And if the bonus is 30% of your monthly salary each month to do a bare minimum of movement that sounds like easy money
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I mean, that kind of makes sense. “Maintain battle readyness” and all that. I would expect everyone in the military, law enforcement, or emergency response should be paid also.
Firefighter isn’t going to carry someone down a flight of stairs if they have that “Body By Dunkin’”
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In theory.
In practice, it has to be approved by your supervisor and is only for times when it won’t interfere with progress on actual work.
So all they’ve gotta do is give you a lot of work to do…or just say no…and you don’t get that anymore.
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Ok, so as a former Navy guy I have to ask, does golf count as “exercise” in the Air Force?
No because it’s assumed you’ll use the golfcart. Spinning in chairs counts if you do it long enough to work up a sweat.
I would add: And bonuses are a BS excuse to overwork employees and making them work overtime for free. Having to go above and beyond simply to earn the end of year bonus caused me huge amounts of stress, anxiety, depression, and even affected my physical health.
You know how I solved that problem? By quitting and moving to a better company.
Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.
It’s entirely voluntarily (hence bonus), and has huge benefits for your self. I fail to see what the problem is.
My company does the same thing, and so do many others.
Not all of us can run. Simple as that.
Not all of these programs explicitly require running with no alternatives for people who can’t run.
Most that I’ve seen are usually just based on “exercise minutes” depending on how your device tracks those. The Apple watch is really lenient and I get 50% of my daily goal just walking to work.
Start by walking?
What about people on wheelchairs, numbnuts?
If the company is operating in good faith, they will be making “reasonable accommodations” for disabled workers.
The top tier of this program requires about 30 minutes of running per day. I’m sure we can find a similarly intensive workout to meet the needs and capabilities of disabled workers, numbnuts.
If the company is operating in good faith,
If they’re going on with this idea, they’re definitely not operating in good faith.
Nothing in the article even suggests they are operating in bad faith.
The company is basically asking them to voluntarily extend their work day by 15 to 30 minutes, but instead of offering time-and-a-half they would be entitled to as “overtime”, they will double, or more than double their wages.
That roughly 30 minute period of activity is worth about 16 times their hourly pay.
I’m sure they offer alternatives. Not everything is so black and white.
Our companies in particular is just 30 exercise minutes so you can do whatever you want to get your heart rate up.
Sex. I want my company to pay me to sex. I feel like I could totally get behind that. Sexually.
Literally one of my co workers does that.
A 2-mile run per day is about 20-30 minutes of cardio. You can count sex, but how are you going to get the other 19-29 minutes?
I hope ‘going to therapy to treat your depression because you can’t force yourself to go out and exercise’ is offered as an alternative too.
Do you think they would be included in this bonus program?
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Meanwhile, assholes at the top get bonuses if the company is profitable. Seeing a bit of a discrepancy here
Because it is a transparent attempt to pay less bonuses and I am betting exploits some condition in the insurance and/or tax code to get a better deal for the corporation.
How about companies just pay the end of the year bonus and not make a big deal about it?
Or it’s because insurance companies offer discounts for companies that offer these programs. The employer uses some (or all) of that money to encourage employees to be healthier which A. makes them healthier. B. saves the insurance company/insurance money. C. helps boost productivity. and D. makes everyone overall happier.
Read the article, it’s no exploit, it’s China.
Lawful =/= non-exploitative
I’m not attempting to excuse the behavior by any means (no matter how much it sounds otherwise).
Just explaining that this is behavior we can and should expect from an authoritarian state with no regard for human rights. Hopefully that clarifies things a little bit.
Yes, and reading the parent I see they were speaking of exploiting laws, not people specifically. Thanks for clarifying, hope you have a nice day
Thank you! I wish you the same
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As reported by Guangzhou Daily, Lin Zhiyong, the chairman of a company that makes paper for various devices, told his workers that their year-end bonuses had been canceled. Instead, the money will be distributed across each coming month, and how much employees receive will depend on how far they run.
He literally canceled their bonuses and said “lol go run for it dipshit”
Imagine getting your bonus cancelled and told to go do more work to get it back.
Fuck this guy and fuck Chinese labour standards.
You don’t have to run. My lazy ass clears 6k steps each day just living life. That’s counts as walking, which is worth 1/3rd steps but still makes it a mile a day. I would be getting 100% bonus with literally no life change. Sign me up! Meanwhile, I never bonused working retail because people stealing carts crushed my EBITA every quarter.
Are you a fucking idiot?
Go work in a fucking Chinese paper factory all day for not enough money to live, and then go have part of your salary taken away and be told to do more work.
Maybe after having a second of fucking realisation you won’t come back and spout such dumbarse nonsense.
You obviously are a fucking idiot because a bonus isn’t your salary shithead. Also this is the most trivial nonsense I’ve ever heard of to bonus 100%. I live in America where I’ve never once gotten 100% of my goddammit bonus fuckface. Being told that you get all of it for wearing a pedometer is literal childs play to me. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit baby agression and jerk off or something instead.
I fucking wish I worked in a Chinese paper factory and got bonuses! Like seriously, get a goddammit clue. If that sounds like hard work to you, then you’ve literally never seen one, and you must have baby soft keyboard hands.
You’re an absolute moron.
I too wish you get to work in a Chinese factory.
I’m surprised you can even spell moron. I bet the reason you think it’s so bad is because you’re a piece of shit racist. Get over yourself.
Looks much nicer than my workplace. I also work with Chinese manufacturers and know how many holidays they get off too, so unlike you, I’m not actually ignorant to your average Chinese persons working environment and make believe its some hellscape. Our middle class is collapsing while theirs has grown substantially. Their government does some crazy shit but we’re no exception.
But you’re a fuckwit…
Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
With how a lot of jobs have a lot of their pay based on nearly mandatory bonuses, this is basing pay on controlling you outside of work.
Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
Except it’s not, because it’s exclusively about health. It’s a discount health insurance companies offer to companies, and the company uses that money to encourage employees to be healthier.
Next up they will be forcing you to a plant based diet or maybe straight to veganism. Slippery slope towards forced sterilization or some other Radical procedure that saves them money but is not necessary.
I didnt see what was the appeal for companies until I realized they were US based companies and had to provide health insurance for their employees
Your insurance benefit offered after health milestones isn’t 30-130% of your salary though
Running 30km (18.6 miles) in a month earns a bonus equivalent to 30% of their monthly salary. Moving up to 40km (24.8 miles) pushes that to 40%. Hitting 50km (31 miles) earns 100%, and the top tier of 100km (62 miles) is 130%
100km for 130%, when 50km will already get you 100%? Not worth it in the least.
Depending on how they track it, exploiting that shouldn’t be too hard.
Bonuses should not be expected, or they’re not bonuses. I get that. But making them available only to those able to do some physical test is discrimination.
You don’t even need to be disabled to be unable to run or do heavy exercises. There are several conditions that can make running painful or impossible, like arthritis, athrosis, hernias, respiratory problems, etc.
Tying the bonuses to how fit you are is straight up evil. I highly doubt the boss will pay for medical expenses of people that push themselves too far to get the most money, who, ironically, might effectively end up losing that extra money.
Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.
Clearly nobody will find a way to cheat that, no siree!
Walking is one of the fitness activities people that are not disabled can walk.
This area has been pretty well explored by Pokemon Go players already. On Android there’s an app called defit that has multiple options for adding fake exercise data to your Google fit account which is where Pokemon Go, and typically these insurance apps, pull their info from.
Lin’s plan has faced plenty of mockery on Chinese social media sites, but Guangzhou Daily says his company’s staff are happy with the bonus scheme. Or maybe they’re just too frightened/exhausted to complain about having to run for their money.
Maybe his employees are all marathoner.
If it’s on company time, it’s fine.
Jeff Bezos: It’s inside the Amazon warehouse, while working.
You are not allowed to stop moving or eliminate your waste. It’s because we care about you
My work is somehow promoting sport over lunch break (well there is always an Ass hole setting a meeting at 13) but it’s lunch break, not work time. However, during that time we build connections with other employees, talk about work, so basically free cross department team building for the company
I don’t think hungry employees will tolerate that for long. Or maybe it’s a way for higher ups to get rid of “possible nuisances”
Some guy pushes himself too much, dies from a heart attack and they cancel the initiative
touches nose not it!
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My favourite part about communism is checks notes the bonus on my wage
It’s almost like you just recently learned three out of the eight words you used for this sentence, and they were taught to you incorrectly, lmao.
I would love for them to give a description of communism and how that applies to this in there context.
