I am not criticizing them, I’m just out of the loop.
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Because they are here to take control of the narrative. I got severely downvote, name called and ultimately site banned from an instance because I politely constantly questioned them. The censorship is coming
we’re coming for you
I’m in your walls
Metaphorically
Yup
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I just hate ads and want the ad driven internet to die.
That’s why I came here too. Then, it was infested with tankies. Been a strange experience so far.
I think that a lot of people forget that collectively all the english as a first language countries added together dont add up to the population of china or india. So the algorithm which doesnt discriminate based on language just feeds us the aggregate.
I try not to get annoyed at the tankies. If my government would fuck my life up and disappear my family for talking shit about them, Id probably play along too.
This is actually an interesting take.
And, I almost tend to agree. They’re awfully tough to digest, even with empathy. Their tactics are… bad?
It’s almost like an abused animal that you’d like to help. But, it’s such a threat that you kinda have to leave it be. Every time you try to feed it, it bites and scratches you,and everyone around you.
At some point, despite the empathy, you just let it starve.
I was with you until “extremist left”.
I’m an extremist lefty. I want to ban cars, force teachers to only use gender neutral pronouns for their students, seize the means of production, and abolish consensus reality.
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Hell, I’m a centrist conservative and I want to ban cars and abolish consensus reality.
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I’m a socialist / communist, please don’t lump us in with those others.
Kinda crazy how not giving a shit where someone else drops a duece makes you an extreme leftist…
I mean, if it’s in the middle of my living room…
“extremist left” is a bit much to describe groups of people just trying to avoid harassment and hate on platforms clearly careening to the right, with essentially zero moderation, that officially respond to inquiries and concerns with automated poop.
You’re right, too many of the people on the fediverse aren’t extreme leftists. We should radicalise them
i dont see how they implied any if the above to be “extremist left”
it seems like you read “extremist left”, assumed it was referring to you and then got upset about it referring to you
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it doesn’t apply to me, I don’t care if you think it does
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if you’re unable to understand implied context, that’s your issue, not mine
i missed extremist left in the end of the sentence, you are correct
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What you describe is exactly what extremist left is. Antifa means nothing less then being against facism. Who isn’t except of facists?
This is the right answer. Of course marginalized groups tend to colonize new communities, because the big platforms, both because of their top-down structuring Nd because of the people who are on them, aren’t always welcoming.
This is different from Voat tho. Voat was explicitly made to be a “free speech zone” i.e. a “let’s say nazi shit because nobody can censor us”-space. The fediverse’s idea is simply not to be dependent on centralised platforms, it says nothing about the content. If it happens to be left leaning, it’s because left leaning people tend to care more about stuff like right to privacy and centralisation.
It really seems like all “free speech” social sites are really just places for racism to flourish.
the most universal and common limits to free speech that people will come across on social media in the west are usually an iteration of ‘don’t be an asshole’
social media censorship is usually relatively lax on other fronts, and various sites will censor different things, whereas most every site will have basic enforcement of ‘don’t be an asshole’ rules
as a result the most crying about free speech will come from folks who got told off for being an asshole and are entirely incapable of getting over it
I don’t think “free speech” and “don’t be an asshole” are incompatible. I do mostly agree with your take, there different flavors of asshole that are more tolerated than others though.
Gays are to Boomers as Trans is to Gen-X ers. I’ve been wondering what the marginalized group Millennials are going to have trouble with. My current guess is Poly, but that is just a guess at this point.
Millennial here, no hate towards poly-folk. Seems exhausting, but do you boo.
I expect it will be something AI related, like wanting them to have rights or whatever as they approach mimicking human behavior and
appearingbeing alive (see, did it there). Likely because of a decade or so of us being economically threatened, and not viewing them as things that can think/'feel/not-want-to-die or whatever.It’s not that hard. Capitalists and neoliberals
Groups I have trouble with as a millennial:
- Fascists and neo-nazis
- Groups which manufacture outrage that marginalize others (This can sometimes be focused/hidden inside of “_____ rights” groups, ironically)
- Anti-intellectuals
- Fringe extremists both on the left & right. They wrap around and are more like each other than they are to their “side”
One thing I don’t understand is certain types of slang but I understand that’s more a result of not being exposed to it regularly then anything else.
Ofc I don’t understand people that identify as a dog, or a snake, or a duck. But they are free to do them, as long as they don’t try and force that on me (ie. Inconveniencing others/trying to be the main character by being unprofessional in the work place, or making life harder for services/people that don’t cater specifically to them…etc). I think that applies generally to anyone, but you seem to have to walk on eggshells if the person who is being a dick is of some other nature, as if that excuses the behavior.
While writing this I had an epiphany. My biggest gripes are harmless groups who are viewed as fragile, who are able to get away with behavior/actions that others cannot because others don’t want to be viewed as _____Phobic and lynched. Empowering some of them to, generally, be assholes. That’s what I can’t stand.
I can’t speak for everyone or say my response is the definitive answer. But I would say it’s because people actually feel safe discussing those topics. They don’t necessarily have to worry about being silenced by a corporation or like they will be censored because of how the fediverse works.
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Curious what other platforms aren’t? Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, etc are extremely Left so it’s always typical to see politically charged posts in relation to those things (among other topics). Curious to hear other people’s thoughts but I was hopeful the Fediverse would be a little more neutral.
Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, etc are extremely Left
i assume you are American. Only in the awkward U.S. paradigm can somebody think of these platforms as “extremely left” 🤦
Oh shit, I guess I was wrong (for the most part). I’ve been spending too much time on Reddit, where those types posts were the regular.
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/29395/political-preference-social-media/
I’m in the US and I would not consider Facebook to be “extremely Left” at all
i don’t see how what you wrote is contradictory to what i wrote.
pre-Musk Twitter was the least right-wing of the social media platforms (being center-right at best) – current Twitter, Reddit, Meta (Facebook & Instagram) are solidly right-wing – Facebook was caught several times adjusting its algorithm to promote right-wing extremism
relatively speaking, the Fediverse is to the left of mainstream social media, but being relatively to the left of Nazis doesn’t automatically make you an Communist (there’s a whole spectrum in between, it’s not a binary)
We might be able to answer the question better if you named the “other platforms” you’re referring to. It doesn’t seem like an unusual amount compared to, for instance, how much communist/transgender content Reddit had back when Reddit wasn’t as evil as it is now. (Who knows what Reddit’s like now. I haven’t been back since the two-day boycott over the API pricing.)
All that said, some of the communist content here is tankies. (That is, authoritarian communists who spout CCP or other authoritarian communist regimes’ propaganda.) Some of the Lemmy instances (like latte.isnot.coffe and lemmy.ml) are run by tankies.
That said, a lot of the communist content here is grass-roots anarcho-communist advocacy by people like me who ideologically lean that way.
Any evidence that lemmy.ml is run by “tankies”?
- They basically say they are, and also run explicitly tankie instance lemmygrad.ml
- Look at the modlog for lemmy.ml. Among other things, anytime someone has an opinion about China who isn’t Chinese it’s “Orientalism”
Yet they still won’t let me ban the fucking libs invading the instance.
have you considered sodding off to an instance where being a lib is a bannable offense
Honest question, why isn’t your clubhouse over at lemmygrad enough?
I don’t think the lemmy.ml admins have been coy about it.
If you go to the lemmy.ml home page, at the bottom of the right column is a list of admins.
The first admin’s profile banner is a picture of Mao. And the second’s profile pic is a photo of Fidel Castro. The other two don’t have profile pics that are explicitly authoritarian communist and I haven’t had the patience to look through a whole lot of their posts or anything.
Just a couple of Reddit threads (via libreddit.hu) on the topic: one and two. Unfortunately what they link do doesn’t appear to be in the wayback machine as far as I’ve been able to tell.
If you’re left wing, it’s a pretty good space. I don’t see left wingers complaining to be honest.
The only evidenced complaint about censorship of criticism of China, was full of misleading bs that deserved to be removed to keep the community free of cancer. I’d have made an account there first, but they weren’t allowing registrations at the time Sync for Lemmy went down which is when and why I came here.
Just take a look at the admin’s profile yourself. Plenty of interesting stuff if you sort by old.
Old? Just check most places on Lemmy. The amount of tankie alts is huge. They’re everywhere on Lemmy. I’ve only been here a month and it’s clear as day.
One could look at the concept of the fediverse and relate it to the ideals of segregating higher powers (big businesses) and giving power to the working class (pay for labor). IE: the concept of dividing up Lemmy as a service into multiple-owned servers instead of a single monolith like Reddit. This tends to align with the ideology of Leftism (to be clear, the progressive class of beliefs, for anyone non-American) tend to be more inviting and inclusive to people. This makes for a good platform for trans people to feel welcomed.
This is not a factual answer, and I do not believe anyone here holds the authority to state a fact. It is only my personal observation.
Idk but I mostly block all communities involving the former (but the latter doesn’t bother me at all). I don’t use lemmy to argue politics or first world problems, especially with people who are often incredibly hostile to dissent. I use it to post pictures of my beautiful home state and talk about gaming
Because the Lemmy software was developed by communist-leaning developers and they have, prior to the reddit exodus, had the biggest communities. As for the transgender related content, the transgender community was one of the largest to leave reddit for Lemmy.
Communists leaning is putting it lightly.
The creators of Lemmy are openly marxist-leninist That why one of the biggest instances was .ml
As in M Marxist L Leninist
the ml as Marxist-Leninist was probably just a coincidence, the real reason is that Mali (.ml) domains used to be free
Do a shot
And if you’re transgender and your choices for typical ideology for cisgender community members are communist or fascist, the choice is generally going to be communist.
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No rules were broken, mods are pushing an agenda.
I think forty-seven people would disagree that mods are to blame. That said, I didn’t see your comment before it was removed, so downvotes are my only evidence.
People disagreeing is not the same as mods pushing their agenda.
Apparently the downvotes are saying it for me.
The particular “communists” in question on Lemmy are at worst naive idealists. They’re not calling for fundamental human rights being stripped away or genocide. They’re egalitarians – regardless of if you believe them to be misguided or not.
At their core the “communists” on here are for the most part far better human beings than the fascists. I’d rather deal with their talk of “class warfare”, “eating the rich”, and hatred of capitalism than hearing about how queer people should be killed.
There’s no difference.
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Ding dong your opinion is wrong
Do a shot every time someone says this
I wonder why disparate and well-meaning communities would leave a social media platform full of outspoken fascists.
because the fediverse is a place where the admins choose to federate with whoever they want and get to choose what are the policies in their own instances. so you got a chance to stop the hatred and harrasment trans people are victim of on other social plateform where the company don’t want to dive into “political” stuff
it’s kind of a safe space online for trans and lgbt for that reason
That’ll be partly down to the communist and transgender coders who helped lay the foundations for this place.
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That’s a possibility. Since the platform started off on their terms, it’s harder to convince new people of opposing politics to join the community.
A big part is because things like the Fediverse are aligned with the goal of Communists. Do away with the profit motive and constant rat race so we can spend time doing and making great things.
Imagine if Facebook wasn’t interested in ad revenue and data gathering but truly sought to keep people connected and to facilitate communication. No bullshit algorithm, no manipulation to keep people doom scrolling.
On a technical level, federation is arguably just as compatible with libertarianism. Each instance is its own island nation, free to set its own rules while members vote with their feet in free association. That it hasn’t gone that route is more to do with the founding population than the technology.
Ya, the tech interests me. It feels like a version of the earlier internet where private forums and webrings were the norm. I like the native support for blocking things I don’t care to see as well.
Most of them seem to be centred around a few instances, they’re pretty easy to avoid once you have the lay of the land.
I for one welcome our trans communist overlords
Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.
