I am not criticizing them, I’m just out of the loop.
Young people haven’t experienced life yet and think communist is something good, despite 100 years of absolute failures and hundreds of millions of people starving, getting killed for things such as wearing glasses, and sent to work to death in prisons for having a different opinion.
Young people also over represent themselves on the transgender scale and don’t realize they aren’t actually special compared to the 7 billion people in the world, but like to feel special in their high school of 1,000 people.
Young people comprise the vast majority of people on the fediverse.
Young people will get a rude awakening once they find out they have to work for a living, provide to those they love and, once again, that their ‘identity’ doesn’t matter to anyone else.
I’m 49 and still socialist. Working for a living is the core of communism. Workers are more populous and generate all the value, we would like a larger share of the value we create.
Working for a living is the core of communism.
totalitarianism is the core of communism.
Workers are more populous and generate all the value
Then negotiate, if you do create the value, then you can sell your services for more.
we would like a larger share of the value we create.
See above.
Sure because it’s just that easy, you’re not arguing in good faith at all, I’m out.
It is.
If you want to get paid $20, find someone to pay you $20/hour
Some people have experiences which have left them embittered towards a younger, more hopeful generation. Despite 100’s of years of exploitation, absolute failure, and hundreds of millions of people starving to death, getting killed for things such as not wanting to work weekends, and sent to work to death for having the absolute cajones to do what they need to do to provide for their loved ones, they STILL insist that capitalism is the only way forward because it’s the only thing they’ve ever known.
The average human may not stand out amid 8 billion other people, but each and every person is unique and therefore special in their own way.
Everyone wants to work, to do something, but no one wants to have a job because your worth as a human shouldn’t be tied to how much money you can earn for someone else. (And, inb4 “art is not a job”, that is so fucking disingenuous; if you think that art isn’t essential, then STOP listening to music, STOP watching television and movies, STOP reading books and newspapers, and then get back to me.) People naturally provide for those they care for and, news flash, people care about other people and their identities.
I know you’re probably just trolling because you hate your life under capitalism and need to feel like you’re a part of something, but like join the club bro.
Do you think the people who built these platforms are teens? I’m a 27 yo engineer and Marxist through and through. Just because workers unions of the past were overturned by tyrants and capitalists alike, doesn’t mean the basic ideas weren’t sound. The system in which I am forced to participate in is fundamentally flawed.
Do you think the people who built these platforms are teens?
I don’t know who created this platform, but I doubt they’re teens. The vast majority of users are young.
Marxist through and through.
Please educate yourself then. Marxism has only resulted in death and destruction. It has put countries back hundreds of years and have killed hundreds of millions of people.
Just because workers unions of the past were overturned by tyrants and capitalists alike
I’m pro union, and capitalist. Capitalism isn’t anti-union. Once again, please educate yourself. Advocating for marxism is 100x worse than advocating for nazism.
The system in which I am forced to participate in is fundamentally flawed.
Please move to a communist country and see what you’re forced to do.
The only reason you’re an engineer is because you were allowed that choice. Under communism you would likely have been killed simply for being college educated.
Free market corporate capitalism as practiced in the West is absolutely anti-union. If you have another model to point to, feel free.
That’s not capitalism, that’s government not doing their job.
Biden forced the railway workers to keep working despite the strike. Is that due to capitalism?
Absolutely it’s due to capitalism. He gave a big gift to rail corporations.
Absolutely it’s due to capitalism
That’s your government not doing their job. And actively working against the workers.
Blame big government that forces people to work at a non negotiated price, not capitalism.
Capitalism doesn’t involve negotiating prices with workers. It never has and it never will.
Lmao. Here’s the bootlicker to vehemently defend the shit ass system stepping on his neck, whilst shitting on “young” ppl because that’s the only thing left for him to feel better about his sad life.
Btw, I’m 37 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl.
And before your next predictable retort; I’m successfully self employed and I work harder than you - I guarantee it.
Doesn’t mean I can’t advocate for a better life for the next generation because I had to work hard. Doesn’t make me a special snowflake or better than anyone else.
bootlicker
Boot licker because…I think communism is bad?
Or because I think the youth obsessed with social media and gender identity will have a rude awakening when they actually have to get jobs?
Btw, I’m 37 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl.
Btw I’m 29 and I still haven’t become a lifeless drone who bitches about young ppl. I bitch about idiots who think communism is good and gender identity is the most important thing in the world.
And before your next predictable retort; I’m successfully self employed and I work harder than you - I guarantee it.
And I don’t care. I’m glad you’re successful. I feel sorry for you that you work harder than I do.
I’m decently successful, working for a small company, and I work maybe 3-4 hours a day. I don’t want to work, I want to live life. I’m living a great and happy life every day, that’s what I strive for, I don’t strive to work as hard as I can.
Doesn’t mean I can’t advocate for a better life for the next generation because I had to work hard
Are you talking about communism?
If you are self employed, it’s because of anti-communism policies, and you have capitalism to thank.
You’re welcome - from Capitalism.
you’re not anti communist or pro capitalist. you’re out to get what you can for your own survival.
(not a bad thing, just don’t lie)
And I don’t care. I’m glad you’re successful. I feel sorry for you that you work harder than I do.
I’m decently successful, working for a small company, and I work maybe 3-4 hours a day. I don’t want to work, I want to live life. I’m living a great and happy life every day, that’s what I strive for, I don’t strive to work as hard as I can.
you’re not anti communist or pro capitalist. you’re out to get what you can for your own survival.
I’m anti-communist and pro-capitalist. I don’t care what you think I am, I’m about as pro-capitalist as you get.
You quoted me…so what? Is that supposed to prove some weird point of yours?
Capitalism isn’t about working hard, it’s about getting paid what you’re worth. I get by on 1.2-1.3k hours a year in exchange for 100k. I could get closer to 140-150k if I wanted to work my ass off, I don’.
Being pro capitalist doesn’t mean I need to work my ass off. A core principle says that two parties come together to agree to an exchange of services and pay, without another party (generally government) interfering.
So you’re saying all those Hollywood CEOs are being paid what they’re worth? They turn out such a quality product?
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I asked if they were paid what they were worth, not if they were paid. David Zaslav’s salary is $500,000 a year. Why is that justified when many SAG-AFTRA members don’t make the $26,000 eligibility threshold to qualify for health insurance?
When your “gender identity” is under attack from people who literally want you exterminated, it just might be the most important thing in the world. None of my kids are Trans, but if they were I would fight for them. I fight for all the kids that are oppressed by wankers like you.
Nobody is under attack.
There’s some bigots, but what rights are under attack?
literally want you exterminated,
Not literally. Just because I recognize a man is a man, doesn’t mean I literally want to kill them.
None of my kids are Trans, but if they were I would fight for them.
How? How would you fight for them? What rights do they not have that an average person has?
I fight for all the kids that are oppressed by wankers like you.
You don’t fight for all kids, or you’d be protesting abortions.
Nope, I fight for kids that aren’t ready to be a parent, kids that do not want to deliver their abusers children. Being pro-life is defending a possibility over an actual sentient person.
Nope, I fight for kids that aren’t ready to be a parent
Plenty of people are waiting to adopt a baby, the ‘kids’ (who are often mid 20’s-mid 30’s) who don’t want to have the responsibility of raising the child they chose to bring into the world, don’t need to. There are lines of people wanting to adopt.
kids that do not want to deliver their abusers children
Can you expand on this?
Being pro-life is defending a possibility over an actual sentient person.
Defending the rights of a baby that can’t fight for themselves*
We are defined by fighting for those who aren’t strong enough to fight for themselves.
It’s a blob of cells not a baby. I guess if I thought souls were real I could see where you’re coming from. And there are lines of people to adopt healthy Caucasian babies, sure but in reality many kids spend life in the system.
What rights? Well for example the right to get the medical care you need. The right to take a goddamn piss in a public toilet. The right to participate in society as you are, rather than a how some fascist demagogue has determined you should be.
Well for example the right to get the medical care you need.
“Need” - define need? Is a sex change for a 13 year old a necessity? If a girl wants boob implants at age 13, that’s not necessary.
The right to take a goddamn piss in a public toilet.
You forcing anybody into a specific restroom despite protests from the majority doesn’t make you right. Women should use the women’s restroom, guys should use the guys restroom. I have advocated for penis room vs vagina room, though.
The right to participate in society as you are
No, you want it as they ‘identify.’ Just because someone thinks they are something else, doesn’t mean they are that thing. I used to be called ‘doggy boy’ because I liked digging holes. I wasn’t literally a dog.
rather than a how some fascist demagogue has determined you should be.
Fascist demagogue = nature? I get you may have an issue with mother nature, but that’s your fight, don’t force everyone to abide by your unpopular view of the world.
I work hard because I want to retire in two years, not twenty.
I want to retire because I started out under the boot of surpressed wages because of the corruption incarnate in capitalism.
Someone like you with a cushy job (that sounds pretty ripe for being automated) has zero clue of the hardships inflicted on everyday working people. Maybe soon you will find out.
There is no way forward for the current system that doesn’t crush millions of people with starvation and destitution. It’s quite inevitable.
I work hard because I want to retire in two years, not twenty.
Sweet, and because of capitalism you can do that.
I want to retire because I started out under the boot of surpressed wages because of the corruption incarnate in capitalism.
You mean because when you started, you couldn’t provide more than a small amount of value to your employer? It’s not anyone elses fault that nobody wanted to pay you more than you earned.
Someone like you with a cushy job (that sounds pretty ripe for being automated) has zero clue of the hardships inflicted on everyday working people. Maybe soon you will find out.
Ahhhh yes, you know so much about my work history because you’ve only heard about what I’ve done the last two years. I went to 5 years of school, earned 2 degrees, the hardest certification in the united states that took 18 months of studying, while working full time.
I worked hard then, so I can have a ‘cushy’ job now. Once again, at the heart of capitalism is that you’re worth what someone will pay you.
no way forward for the current system
Are you not the one that said that you ‘started out under the boot’ and now you do very well, and are self-employed? That you work so much harder than me (clearly a point of pride for you)?
That’s because of capitalism, homie. Under communism, you just work forever for an even lower wage than you earned when you were ‘under the boot,’ and if you wanted to earn more - that’s the thing! you couldn’t! you either get jailed or killed. Communism is fun!
Ya know, there are a few communist countries that you should try and go to work for, if you prefer that!
Maybe work on your reading comprehension and come back to me whenever you don’t find me advocating for cOmMuNisM.
I was merely mocking your naive worship of a broken and failed system.
Maybe one day you will wake you up when they automate your very useful 1-2 hours a day position.
Maybe work on your reading comprehension and come back to me whenever you don’t find me advocating for cOmMuNisM.
Marxism put into a political system has always been a form of communism. If you aren’t arguing for that, why are you responding to a post and a comment about communism?
I was merely mocking your naive worship of a broken and failed system.
Because I acknowledge that capitalism isn’t perfect, but it’s by far the best political system that’s taken more out of poverty than any other economic system doesn’t mean I have naive worship. Also, it’s not a broken and failed system. You want to see a broken and failed system? See every single communist country that’s ever existed.
Maybe one day you will wake you up when they automate your very useful 1-2 hours a day position.
That won’t make me communist. And my field is one of the few that are still hiring at a good pace, most tech companies are in a stand still and laying people off. My field has been steady for the last 100 years at least.
Regardless, I’m selling my work for a fair rate, and that’s what capitalism is. If you are willingly working somewhere at an agreed upon price, thank capitalism.
lol young people
you’ll be first to get scraped up with a snow shovel
Trans are bullied and socially ostrichized irl, so they tend to be terminally online. A lot of trans are also coders. They manage to find themselves in to pretty much every obscure techy social space online, they don’t got anything else going on irl.
ostrichized
I just want to take a moment off topic to say how much I love this new word (malaprop?).
The word you were hoping for is ‘ostracized’, but ostrichized is a fun enough mental image that it should be its own word too.
Now I’m imagining a mad scientist with a ray gun that “ostrichizes” people who annoy them.
Screwed up coffee order? ZAP! The barista gets turned into an ostrich. Annoying, pushy person at the door handing out pamphlets? ZAP! Try saving souls as an ostrich. Have a cart overflowing with groceries in the “Ten Items or Less” line? ZAP! Ostrich.
Megamind: “Lol get ostriched idiot”
I’d watch the shit outta this cartoon
Turning people into Ostriches is secretly the gay agenda
That’s the significance of rainbows. The ostrich beam is multicolored.
I was thinking of could be a great way to describe self ostracism to ignore problems, like the putting your head in the sand ostrich trope.
Your scenario is more fun, an ostrich raygun should be a weapon in a video game like Saints Row or something.
that’d be pretty wicked if they could turn into ostriches too
One thing at a time please.
May I quote you to [email protected]?
My assumption is that the bots, shills, astroturfers and other corporate interests haven’t arrived in sufficient quantities yet.
It’s not that there’s more here, just the volume of noise out there is far greater and most of the content generated is for parties who gain no advantage from posing as part of either of those communities.
IDK, I see tons of left and trans content on YT and Twitter, for example. That is because that’s the type of content I like, and the type of people I follow. I suspect what you’re noticing isn’t so much the presence of communism and trans people, but the absence of dumb shit.
Not an especially intolerant of others group.
It’s less which group applies to me, it’s which group do I not mind sharing a space with.
I can look at a trans post and either think lol or I don’t get it.
I see a fascist/racist post and not think it’s funny, and that it makes me kind of sad.
Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.
It’s more a Venn diagram which includes trans furries, communist furries and the elusive trans communist furry which has only been theorised to exist.
Oh I hate myself for doing this but…
*elusive
Changed it.
How did you spell it before? Btw, is there a comment history function on Lemm like there is on Twitter Blue?
My head canon is that it was “exclusive” before. That just tickles my jimmies.
I have proof they exist, there you go
You got socks?..
uwu
🤔😜
GNU+UwU
Based off the amount of fury porn communities I’ve blocked, half seems very, very conservative. What’s the old joke, if a bomb went off at a fury convention the Internet would go down?
Somehow I haven’t heard of that one lol
Not sure why this is such a common perception. Most of the software devs I know are pretty average people other than being computer nerds. I met one trans CS student in college but that was it.
mate he didn’t say in general
he said the devs of Lemmy
normie cs dorkies are chasing 12hr intern jobs at explotative upstarts
youve been here for 17 days and made nearly 500 comments and ive seen you reply with obvious troll comments to every comment on several different posts on here.
You need a life dude.
Being trans is correlated with autism and you will find a bunch of autistic people in tech, because tech makes more sense to then than humans do. Same with things like videogame speedrunning.
If you don’t see that there is a greater number of trans people than in the general population you might want to look again.
How dare you imply most software devs aren’t all three simultaneously
I feel so out-of-place, being a regular run of the mill gay dude.
They’re 90% of FOSS development. Also, their “daily driver” is an old thinkpad running linux – often Arch.
How dare you call me out like that
I use Arch btw
it’s amazing what you see when algorithms aren’t deciding it for you.
Maybe it’s that homophobia and transphobia are so dominant on more popular platforms that there is a natural migration towards more free and liberal platforms. I always wondered why you see more and more racism, hate and such degeneracy the larger a platform becomes.
Counterpoint. There’s a lot of furries and trans people on 4chan.
4chan has trans furry Nazis, arguably the most diverse group in existence.
It’s because when platforms get large enough Nazis (not metaphorical ones, actual 1488 self described National Socialists) start targeting them for recruitment purposes.
If you know where to look you can see them organize in real time.
I think it’s because leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful. They are happy to be a tiny community chatting with each other about being a trans furry communist all day every day.
The right on the other hand are, as a group, a bunch of anti social losers who thrive on hating and complaining about stuff. That’s not a sustainable platform because it’s either a miserable experience or it gets shut down for hate speech so they migrate around and attach themselves to heathier communities and complain about those instead.
leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful
Definitely not my experience
I’ll just guess you got shunned or worse criticized for expressing overt bigotry.
I am not a bigot, so I find that extremely unlikely.
Generally it’s because I like capitalism.
leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful
Ahaha! Hate is the core principle of Marx’s manifesto.
lmao here, you should probably read it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm
I read it, thanks.
Ahaha! 🤣🤣🤣
Free platform = free ads. And since it’s still no mainstream, propaganda accounts are more visible.
Ok? They are nor even trying to convince you of anything. Just having a place to discuss things.
- Yes, they are trying to convince. 2. And yes, there is actual people discussing different topics. Both are not mutually exclusive. Your statement indicates what type of account you are. You can’t hide the sun with one hand.
What type of account am I exactly?
People congregate where they feel safe. Sometimes that looks like the nerdy introverted kid living life on the internet when their immediate community doesn’t understand them, and the roles they’re expected to play don’t work for them. Turns out a lot of nerdy introverted kids who felt misunderstood by their families were trans, which isn’t too surprising.
What’s interesting to me is that most trans-people in tech are AMAB, and I think that reflects computers being seen as an ok “masculine” hobby (in lieu of sports or cars, etc.) . I often wonder where all the AFAB transpeeps end up instead, I know they’re somewhere!
Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.
“communist”. Define please, or I’ll assume you’re in high school.
CCP? Soviet state? RCP? Are they still around ? Gimme a break.
I’m assuming the definition of “communist” they’re using is “people that openly call themselves communists” – because there are a lot of them on the fediverse.
Interesting because I’ve never come across even one.
Mainly I hear it as an accusation, and never see any discussions of the ideas and concepts etc.
(NOR DO I WANT TO I had enough of the rock throwing RCP types in the 80s and 90s).
It really depends on what instances you’re browsing. If you’re not browsing [All] you probably won’t see them – they hang out on instances like lemmy.ml
Thanks. I think I might look. Maybe I’ll regret that!
The use of the word alarms me, I admit, because it’s a right wing word used to paint everything progressive as extreme as Soviet Union or CCP under Mao, the collective taking away of private property and difference and advantage.
“Communism” is at this point a kind of highschool level argument of egalitarianism, an idealized abstraction.
Then there’s Marxism etc tl:dr…
No matter what you think of some of the concepts embedded (a few are actually progressive or seem so) it’s a fraught ideology, so laden with dipshit baggage few sensible people talk about it seriously.
(Marxism is useful as an analytical tool to discuss capitalism, but no one sensible wants to live in a marxist state!)
To me, “communist” is a right wing tell.
Yup
alongside the whole tech stuff one major thing is that when you report hate speech in the fediverse it (usually) goes to moderators and admins who give a shit about their community rather than some automated system which may or may not do anything, resulting in a community that’s more hostile towards people spouting hate speech (but muh freeze peach!! echo chamber!! bleh im leaving), which indirectly makes people affected by that speech feel more comfortable to speak up.
of course particularly the microblog/Mastodon-y side of the fediverse still has some issues to solve regarding racism (i am not the best person to go into detail on that one though), but transphobia in particular tends to be taken out pretty quickly, according to my own observations anyway.
Idk but I mostly block all communities involving the former (but the latter doesn’t bother me at all). I don’t use lemmy to argue politics or first world problems, especially with people who are often incredibly hostile to dissent. I use it to post pictures of my beautiful home state and talk about gaming
The issue I have with this is that publicly expressing their love for others is an extremely natural and normal thing to do. Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won’t blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours. That’s not even getting into trans or gender-non-conforming people, who can be discriminated against simply for existing and presenting the way they do.
I don’t just want to ensure that LGBT people are free from explicit legislative discrimination. I want them to be free from social discrimination as well. Social consequences for being publicly gay are not acceptable, even if people aren’t in favour of more open forms of discrimination.
All the bootlickers are still chillin with spez
