Gentle reminder to everyone that support for #windows10 ends in about 90 weeks. Many computers can’t upgrade to Win 11 so here are your options:
- Continue on Win 10 but with higher security risks.
- Buy new and expensive hardware that supports Win11.
- Try a beginner friendly #Linux distro like #linuxmint. It only takes about two months to acclimate.
I would advise #linux over anything proprietary to begin with.
If you want to really go the w11 way it is not as restrictive as they make it sound, in fact in 90% of the cases it says it can’t it can.
8GB of ram and GPT partitioning!
Many w10 were upgraded from w7-8-9 and retained the DOS/mbr and w10 would work with either part.table. Win-setup says it can’t auto-upgrade but it can install if you delete the partitions and start with clean disk.
@yianiris @ajayiyer @nixCraft @linux @windowscentralbot most of windows users don’t even know what is a partition… talking about GPT, you can be sure they’ll interpret this as something related to ChatGPT… :ablobcatknitsweats:
also on my side, I have a w10 running in VM, with MBR.
cloned the VM and upgraded it to w11 took me time and I had to do a lot of tech stuff for the GPT
not hard, but technical; too technical for most of Windows users probably…I was reading what it would take to run a legal copy of w10/11 in a vm since the vm doesn’t provide the chip to embed the license (post 5th gen intel and similar amd) and I almost threw up with MS disgusting policies of trying to sell more and more for every use.
If your mb gets fried you have to call up and authorize the transfer of license …
You can’t buy a $50 refurbished with sticker and get a free license for w11 :)
@yianiris @ajayiyer @nixCraft @linux @windowscentralbot I bought a valid license key product of W11 of 0.14eur :ablobcatcoffee:
(And my w10 also have a valid license key bought for similar price)It’s an OEM license so once it’s used, I can’t reuse it on an another computer
But at this price I think it’s Ok to buy a new one if the MB is dead 😅But an another side, MB of a VM normally won’t die 💪
I’m not sure what you mean by “since the vm doesn’t provide the chip to embed the license”?
@yianiris @ajayiyer @nixCraft @linux @windowscentralbot it seems not (cf. screenshot)
What I use is a digital license: it seems the digital license is not stored in the hardware
I suppose when it’s activated, windows send information to a MS Server
They store the information the digital license is used by this user/hardwareIf you try to reuse the digital license key, you’ll be rejected during activation because it’s already flagged as used on MS side
Something like this I think 🙃
If it was done online alone 1st it would have been cracked globally, then the machine/hw needs to be identified uniquely. How can this be done if you change disk and reinstall?
The way they do this is a chip intel/amd_x86-64 boards provide called MSDM and a unique key is embeded to it.
You plug a new disk, install, reboot is is already activated.@yianiris @ajayiyer @nixCraft @linux @windowscentralbot I don’t know. If they have a database were used keys are checked during activation process, it could be difficult to globally crack this… 🤷
if you change hardware and want to reuse the same digital key, as the key has already been used, activation on MS side will just be rejected: you have to buy a new digital key
digital keys don’t work the same way than product keys (that are stored on hardware)
Some people have spare time to learn a thing or two, some people have spare cash to buy new hw when MS tells them to.
We are not all equal :)
We have a government that enforces and maintains inequality, otherwise equalization would come natural, and with some social organization.
Hardware that cannot support windows 11 is likely near the end of its useable life right now, so in two years people might be justified in considering buying a new and actually functional computer.
You only need to go back to intel 7th gen to lose support. These are CPUs from 2017 that are still more than capable today.
and in 2 years they will be even less capable. like someone else in this thread pointed out—the op was very baity. I know this is a linux community but trying to scare people into adopting seems weird.
I haven’t been getting updates on 10 for about 5 years or so and I’m feeling fine to be honest.
The moment steam ends support for win10, is the moment I fully switch to Linux.
Why wait? Carpe Linux.
I don’t get why people are removing support for Windows 10. Nobody likes Windows 11 and Windows 10 is the most popular operating system with no change of that in sight.
Windows 10 is Windows 11 at this point (look at the UI and AI features)
Yeah they said that about Windows 8 too and I sat my happy ass on 7 until 10 came out.
I feel like it is by design. Windows 11 collects vastly more info about a user than Windows 10, or so I’ve read. There’s probably better sources out there than this article, but I’m lazy right now.
Oh I wouldn’t doubt it but what really kept me from touching it was them “testing” putting advertisements in the file explorer. Hard fuckin pass.
Its interesting as I remember people saying the same thing between Windows 10 and Windows 7/8, and that they’d never move to Win10.
Not trying to discredit what you’re saying of course, but the pattern is still there 9 years later
Both can be true - everyone always hates on new Windows versions (usually for legitimate reasons) and Windows 11 captures and reports more telemetry.
I do not think this is happening. Windows 7 support has barely started to be removed since this year (Steam) and Firefox ESR, WinRAR et al popular big software is still updated. Infact, WinRAR only dropped XP support few months ago with v 6.02 IIRC.
Windows 10 was quite the revamp over 7/8, and 11 is just cosmetic paint plus AI garbage on 10. Support for 10 is here to stay till atleast 2 years till 11 EOL comes around, since 11 and 10 are same inside. And this is assuming 12 has fundamental developer API changes on top of 10/11.
Today I watched a video about some information on Windows 12 hardware support. Video concluded with basically saying that if you own a laptop you will be forced to throw it away and buy another one. It’s sad because it isn’t true.
Here’s hoping it floods the market with really cheap new and used “old” laptops
Windows 12? It’s sad because it isn’t true? I’m confused.
It’s sad that people think they wouldn’t be able to use their laptops. As far as I know nothing in that video is confirmed but it’s still sad that people think their old hardware that works should be replaced just because they can’t run new Windows version.
90 weeks? I guess I can have another baby, and then after a while make a decision on what to do with my W10 VM installation
VMs can emulate TPM cant they? Win11 still sucks but at least it will work.
There is a TPM emulation, yes, 1.1, 2.0 - you choose
Any decent motherboard built in the last 10 years should have a TPM chip onboard.
I just bought a brace of enterprise servers.
TPM chips are useless.
Meh.
Just use a virtual one
All my hardware is just slightly older than TPM and SecureBoot. It’s from like 2009.
Us low spec gamers cannot afford losing at least 10 fps in some games, so it seems we’re tied to win 10 for the time being.
Another option may be to use Windows Server 2022 Eval. You may run in to problems with software refusing to run on a server though. The initial eval lasts 180 days, but you can run a command to extend that 5 times (don’t quote me on the exact number) which will give you an updated system for years to come.
There’s still around two more years of support for Windows 10. By that time, it shouldn’t be too expensive to upgrade some components to some second-hand ones that perform better than your current ones.
Does the bypass not still work?
Sure, but then pretty well nothing will work, so what’s the point ?
Stuff breaks?
It does, you can manually install windows 11 even without the hardware “requirements”
Everyone is fear mongering over this. It’s the same shit how windows 10 didn’t officially support a bunch of systems but you could install it anyway.
Currently running a desktop on W11 on “unsupported hardware”. Even managed to get it onto a 15 year old machine running a first gen i7 920 and not even a hint of a TPM module as an experiment and it worked perfectly fine.
- Go to windows 10 enterprise to 2025 or if you want as little windows as possible go with windows 10 ltsc and you have support until end of 2032
… safest bet is get a 2nd clean ssd replace, install w11 then copy user data into new installation.
I’ll probably procrastinate finding a solution for so long that I’ll end up running my Win10 installation airgapped on a separate PC made from ancient spare parts
I’ll wait until the 11th hour, start testing the kids out on Debian and steam see if proton can bridge the gap for them. Wife is Mac. My servers are already Linux One of my laptops is already Debian. Anything else I have from work that needs Windows is already new enough to run 11.
I do have a camera server running win 10 and blue iris. Not really sure what to do there. I have a lot of time wrapped up in Blue Iris on that box and I seriously doubt I’ll be able to run hardware acceleration in any type of compatibility layer. That box may just get cordoned off from the internet and network, or I’ll do a upgrade hack.
A thing I wish more Linux enthusiasts were more up front about: And prepare for PAPER CUTS! Because they’re there. Most Linux folks ^1 probably do 5-6 things a day that new folks would find confusing or infuriating, just because they Get Used To It.
A perfect example: My Linux desktop is a System76 Thelio-r2 running Manjaro KDE latest, which I LOVE. Every time I boot it up, if I want to use my BT speakers or headphones ^2 I have to go into the BT settings panel, wonder why it says “Bluetooth Disabled - Enable Bluetooth”, click the button, and move on with my day.
Turns out this is because of a kernel bug in the latest kernel versions with Intel bluetooth hardware. The driver times out at system boot, and thus the system is disabled by default. By the time you’re fully booted, that time out never happens so if you just click Enable, you’re good to go.
And these things are additive. They pile up and increase frustration for end users who aren’t savvy enough to know which forums to search on or what search terms to pump into their search engines.
This does not mean you shouldn’t try Linux. Please do! It can be a life changer and a serious power up! But be aware that the path will have many small roadblocks that need to be traversed, so just set your expectations accordingly, explore and have fun!
^1: I use Windows, Linux and Mac as need dictates. Let “tool to task” be the whole of the law :)
^2: Perfect example: Many Linux users wouldn’t use Bluetooth speakers! They’d get wired ones or one of those RF thingies that has long time Linux driver support. But if you’re new, you don’t know that!
I gave Manjaro a shot recently and Bluetooth was 90% unusable for anything but my mouse. Keyboard? Nope. Headset? Nope. Other headset? Nope. Bluetooth speaker? Nope. Unfortunately, it is a brand new Intel motherboard, so I can’t even get WiFi as athk12 or whatever isn’t really done. I was shocked I could get bluetooth to work at all. Sound wasn’t that great through a USB headset either, but then I could at least hear people. For me, I can really only use trackballs now and the USB port on the mouse is for charging only. Bluetooth compatibility is very very important to me and it still being shitty on any system in 2024 blows my damn mind.
Only other potential issue would be something with how Proxmox is doing passthrough, but I had just as much trouble pairing with Debian underneath through the terminal as I did with the Manjaro VM. On another note, the GPU passthrough is amazing and I had a good time playing games for the first time on Linux. This machine was never intended for gaming, but I thought it would be fun to take a server to a LAN party. Sliger case for the win! Just a 3U.
Partial list of things you haven’t tried or researched?
There is another list for realtek, you have to know the specific chip you need fw for.bcm20702a1–fw BCM20702A1
bcm20702b0–fw BCM20702B0
bcm20703a1–fw BCM20703A1
bcm43142a0–fw BCM43142A0
bcm4335c0–fw BCM4335C0
bcm4350c5–fw BCM4350C5
bcm4356a2–fw BCM4356A2Yeah, “brand new” hardware is rough in the Linux-verse :) I think Linux advocates need to be more up front with that as well. Quite a number of them are rocking 15 year old Thinkpads because that’s what they read will maximize compatibility.
Linux kernels are YEARS ahead of anything MS or Mac can handle.
It just takes a little learning and patience to deal with a system that belongs in the future.
Linux users complain about the kernel being so advanced and big covering industrial hw and hw not yet released in the market.
- Backport fixes manually
- use rufus to bypass hardware requirements, enforced account and bitlocker
