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I’m fifty, love what I do, and I’m already prepping for my third attempt at retirement and this one is going to stick. My team keeps burning out but clients refuse to make plans to replace our skill set. Now they are gaslighting?
I would never trust a publication that doesn’t use the Oxford comma.
I think the article is speaking to those who can afford to retire. Still, it’s a waste of your time because it’s pretty bland point. “do you really wanna retire when you can, while there’s all those rich people out there refuse to?” is the entire point of the article.
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Working is great if you’re some manager or CEO type. I can see why they’d love to keep working and stealing from labor.
An older article complained that people are retiring too early and becoming a drain on the economy.
How does that work exactly? In most countries, surely you only get access to any state pension at the ever-increasing retirement age. My point being, if you are able to retire early, it’s on your own dime, right?
In most systems your pension taxes are not stashed away until you retire and then handed to you. Instead your taxes are used to pay the pensions of people currently retired, with the understanding that the next generation will pay for your pension. If you stop working too early and you stop paying taxes, the system breaks down.
That said, I really don’t think that this is a real problem. The real problem is that baby boomers are now retiring in droves, turning from the major contributors of the pension system to the biggest drain, and with a population shrinkage, it’s uncertain how we’ll be able to keep funding the system.
That’s all true. But then they’re not really a drain, and while not paying income tax any more they’re usually spending their retirement in other ways which produces tax income still.
I’d agree we have a problem though. I’m Gen X and my state retirement age is already +4 years on what it would have been. I cannot see that getting any better any time soon.
I’m Gen Y and with the birthrates as they are here, I’m not seeing myself ever getting a pension. The math just doesn’t work out
I don’t get it? Is it like work until we say so? Cuz I worked for a company. Most people were somewhat happy working there then it was sold/move overseas. Some people got forced retired.
I don’t want to work forever and I 100% disagree with this article, but I also don’t want to be my grandparents who never went anywhere or did anything ever because they were limited to their pension money. I would rather work part time than wait around for someone to visit because I can’t afford to do anything else.
There needs to be some enhanced senior programs to help make it so you don’t have to spend the next 20 years doing another puzzle alone at the table or whatever the stupid ass title was.
I like my job and have great coworkers. I could keep doing what I’m doing for another 20 years no problem. Wouldn’t quite be retirement age yet, nor would I have enough to retire but at least I tried.
Bro I’m gonna retire next fucking year YEET THAT CAREER the whole idea of working to make someone else money is DUMB buh bye
Start your own business then…
Or, you know, enjoy retirement.
Maybe you want to work your ass off until you die. Not everyone does.
Have you considered just being born rich?
Why don’t you mind yours and let them enjoy their retirement rather than taking on unnecessary debt and awful hours to compete in a market designed to benefit megacorps over small businesses regardless of all the empty rhetoric from both parties?
Lordy, say one thing that doesn’t toe the line, and people get uppity real fast.
Maybe it’s less a line to be toed and more your utter tonedeafness. Also, “uppity” is perhaps not the best word choice since that’s usually used as a racist and/or classist dog whistle…
Aaaaangry people angry.
On a lighter note, how do you make your coffee?
And following up on that tangent, how do you like your coffee?
uh oh, sounds like someone’s got a case of the Mondays
I believe you’d get you’d get your ass kicked for saying something like that, man.
No thanks. Pass. Nice try tho.
Yeah guys, everyone knows that not being sleep deprived, burnt out, and on the verge of mental and/or physical collapse is super boring
You can do all of those things when retired as well.
How do you know your living if you are not wishing to die every second?
Guys be careful! You don’t want to be bored instead of burnt out, frustrated, taken advantage of, and bored.
I know that headline must be incredibly infuriating for a public like lemmy, * but *, personally I have some conflicts about the whole retirement concept since it starts a chain of cognitive decline and isolation (this is a source but there are many more: https://bmcgeriatr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12877-017-0556-7)
I’m not saying that people should be working forever, I just wonder if there could be some optional way for some elder people to contribute to society in a way that feels meaningful? Are there jobs where they could fit and have that feeling of fulfillment? Understand that I have met a fair amount of old people that felt useless and was just “waiting to die” in a depressive way. In some ways jobs can be a source of happiness if people isn’t being exploited. What I’m thinking about would be optional and with less hours involved
On the other hand, maybe what I’m describing is not necessarily a “job position for old people” per se, maybe if we as a society invested more in quality of life for the elder I believe we could make them happier. I feel terrible that we’re barely doing anything for the loneliness problem…
Lots of non profits are desperate for people. The elderly don’t have to camp on jobs that the young need for fear of having nothing to do.
A cool project idea that popped up a few years ago in China was a home-to-home food delivery service. Basically, a grandmother whose grandchild lives in another city can cook her grandma-level food and the delivery guys would pick it up and bring it to students in the area. Probably embedded in an extractive economic model, but the core idea was quite nice.
In Japan I see many elderly guys work as traffic assistants, eg to help children get to school safely. Can be annoying at times and I don’t know how/if they get paid, but definitely gives them something to do and connects them to other people.
Ill be honest, I’ve seen people (mostly family) that work their ass off to retire and once retiring they basically give up. They don’t take care of themselves, exercise or do anything mentally stimulating. Just watching the news and tv then doing the bare minimum to stay alive.
Because of that their health is very poor and they physically cannot do much and honestly seem to live a pretty miserable life.
They also have lots of chronic pain from working so hard that affects them in retirement. My mom worked in a chair for 12 hours, 60 hours a week and has severe chronic pain from sitting. Being out of shape she can’t stand for very long and chronic pain means she can’t sit very long, she has to spend most of her life in bed.
Personally I believe it’s the best to live life now and have a “soft” retirement, reducing days and hours worked as you age. Human biology is made to work (physically and mentally) and the lack of it degrades our bodies and health.
So It’s technically “never retiring” but personally I think it’s the better option.
Hobbies volunteering, travel, or whatever else you feel like doing other than grinding 9-5 for Mr. Johnson is a better option.
I agree that human bodies need mental and physicial stimulation.
Work is often onesided by the end of a career one is burned out on one and uncomfortable with the other.
Your idea is an improvement but i see no reason why producing economic value should be the only way one can be actively healthy.
Many people struggle to staying fit, to make full healthy meals because of theid work/life balance, this is return has an effect on how normally is shaped around our children who lack healthy examples.
Its been shown that when provided with more free time, extra cash. Most people will spend it on improving their health, balance and start builidnf new active habbits based on their own aspirations that can last long into elderhood. Like gardening.
You can still have a very succesful retirement but just shift that working energy to yourself. Take up some hobbies and work on them often. Go hiking, cycling, skiing, or paddling. Spend more time with the family, maybe even moving in to help raise grandkids if space allows.
Retirement does not equal sitting on your ass the rest of your life, that sounds more like a mental illness.
I could be wrong, but I think the point that @weeeeum was making is that by the point you retire, your body and mind are so wrecked from having been overworked for 30+ years that ‘just go outside’ is an agonizing prospect. Yeah, if you make it to that point and can still go outside and do fun stuff then great. But if you retire at 65, are male, and American, then you’re retiring at the average healthy life expectancy for your group and on average have about a decade of declining health to ‘look forward to’. Chart
A lot of that can be attributed to poor lifestyle choices as well, like smoking, alcohol, drugs, or inactive lifestyles. Some of that can certainly be attributed to too much work, poor conditions and low wages, but humans can certainly be healthy past 65
Yes, this is what I meant exactly. My mom has the aforementioned chronic pain from working 60 a week for like 20 years, and my dad had a stroke, partial blindness and high blood pressure after being so stressed at his work. My grandpa is nearly deaf from his time on an aircraft carrier in the Navy to get his GI bill. My great uncle died from asbestos exposure (from the Navy), for his GI bill and never saw retirement at all. Everyone aspired to retire early with tons of cash but ended up ruining their bodies or outright dying.
Instead of looking for a cutoff point to “finally live life”, we should work comfortably and progressively easier as we age, mind and body intact.
This is a sense of purpose or meaning of life thing I guess. Some see work as their only meaning of life. More power to them though personally for me I rather rot not doing anything than working for someone till I die.
