• @[email protected]
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        If you’re protesting the gaza genocide you’re clearly working for Putin to… um distract from Ukraine? Hey wait a minute…

          • @[email protected]
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            The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ unanimously said as much, and Israel and Netanyahu basically calling it a genocide themselves.

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              All this nonsense can be removed with one simple statement. One simple argument.

              Gaza is as dense as New York City.

              If they wanted to commit genocide deaths would be far higher than 30,000.

              Also you’re ignoring the absolute fact that has been demonstrated many many times, that palestinian terrorists like Hamas embed themselves within civilian infrastructure and hide among civilian populations.

              This is why Israel has to warn people before they bomb a certain area. And of course the terrorist escape due to these warnings as well.

              Does that sound like a genocide to you? Not if you’re honest it doesn’t.

              If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza the numbers would be far far higher we’re talking over a quarter million deaths. It would be absurdly easy. It’s important that you be honest internally otherwise you make the world worse despite what you might think are noble intentions.

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                  I’m actually not and genocide doesn’t have multiple definitions which is a thing that unfortunately people who claim to be progressive love to do… I’m progressive myself but I draw distinction between myself and many progressives by calling myself a moderate progressive. I don’t try and redefine words to fit my ideology.

                  Genocide means to try and wipe out totally a people or an ethnicity through means of violence or deliberate actions. Things like the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide are good examples as is the Khmer Rogue terror in Cambodia.

                  However horrifying examples of violence on a grand scale like the rape of Nanking during World War II do not count because they are not attempts to eradicate an entire ethnicity or people nor do they end up having that impact whether the intention was or not.

                  If the rape of Nanking does not qualify as a genocide then there’s no way in heck the Gaza war does. I need you to be honest and have integrity so that we can make the world better. As progressives we will only have ourselves to blame if we let emotion and passion override logic and truth. Because it WILL make the world worse long-term.

                  I’m in favor of a ceasefire at this point but it is absolutely not a genocide nor was it ever.

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              No they didn’t. Not saying the ruling is right or wrong but the court did not call it a genocide (yet).

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                The ruling has been massively downplayed by the german media with headlines like “does not order ceasefire” when it ordered Israel to “stop killing members of the group”, basically ordered them to stop committing acts of genocide. At this stage they could not be any clearer!

                They also ordered under 80. the immediate provision and humanitarian aid. On the same day Israel comes up with this accusation about some 12 out of thousands of aid workers being member of hamas. Then Germany among others cuts of humanitarian aid, directly in violation of the ICJ order. Which now makes Germany complicit in the genocide.

                If Israel is allowed to continue a million innocent civilians could easily die horribly from starvation, thirst or disease, as well as just exposure.

                For reference: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

                1. The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described acts.
                2. The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
                3. The Court further considers that Israel must take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
                4. Israel must also take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of the Genocide Convention against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
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                  My point is that the judges did not unanonimously called it genocide. I just don’t want fake news being spread. The ruling has much more nuance than that.

  • Jake Farm
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    The Crisis in New York does not exist, ignore the over flowing shelters and streets.

    • Flying Squid
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      What is a convoy of retired hillbillies driving down to Texas going to do to fix that? Do you think if they go down there and start a-shootin’ Messicans that somehow all the undocumented immigrants in New York will dissolve into puddles on the sidewalk?

      • The Pantser
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        Just like vampires, if you kill the Master the underlings turn into US citizens.

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      You mean the New York that has a fascist cop (but I repeat myself) as a mayor? The New York whose local Dem leadership is probably the second most conservative and corrupt from lack of competition after that of Chicago? That New York?

    • Aniki 🌱🌿
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      No one is fixing houselessness so why are you bringing it up in a thread about a border crossing?

      • @[email protected]
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        Maybe they’re suggesting the MAGAians should’ve convoyed to New York instead and volunteered at some shelters, helping the least amongst us like their Bible says.

        Context from behind the NYT paywall:

      • @[email protected]
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        231 year ago

        Also, if anything, Texas is potentially contributing to New York’s homeless problem by spending millions of dollars busing migrants and dropping them off at the city without any support. If these are “invaders”, then Texas is aiding the “enemy” and conducting economic warfare against the city.

        • @[email protected]
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          I wholeheartedly accept Abbott’s framing that this is an invasion. Moving invaders farther into the country they are invading is certainly providing aid and comfort. Therefore, Greg Abbott is a traitor.

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      I wonder how bad the filter bubble is for some people. Like “relevant search results” or articles in their preferred news media. And trained cognitive biases. There is a lot of deliberate effort from the fascists and careless ignorance from tech companies to make it this way.

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    Now if they could just take this lesson and apply it to the rest of the ‘information’ that is supplied by the media environment they have immersed themselves in.

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      These people are going to go home and be proud of how they defended the border and tell everyone about it.

      “Immigrants stopped coming because we were there! See?! It works!”

        • @[email protected]
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          111 year ago

          Wasn’t there some scammer that was selling pieces of the border wall? Like you could sponsor a piece of it and have your name on it?

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            personalized vanity stones with family names and little messages being used to stop families at the border is actually hilarious

            “From the Johnsons. Peter, Debbie, and little David. - we’re hate-filled!”

            or one with their pets pawprint “my Pepper is just as racist as I am!”

    • prole
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      Lol, “lesson.” As if this would teach them anything .That’s cute.

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        As if they had the capability to learn. That was beaten out of them with a bibble before primary school.