I’m so confused about how AI learning is supposed to work. Does it just need any data at all in significant quantity, is the quality of the data almost irrelevant? Because otherwise surely they could just feed it back issues of scientific American, or the scanned copies of the library of congress, I can’t reasonably believe that Reddit is going to add anything unless it’s just pure on adulterated quantity that’s important.
The part you’re missing is the metadata. AI (neural networks, specifically) are trained on the data as well as some sort of contextal metadata related to what they’re being trained to do. For example, with reddit posts they would feed things like “this post is popular”, “this post was controversial”, “this post has many views”, etc. in addition to the post text if they wanted an AI that could spit out posts that are likely to do well on reddit.
Quantity is a concern; you need to reach a threshold of data which is fairly large to have any hope of training an AI well, but there are diminishing returns after a certain point. The more data you feed it the more you have to potentially add metadata that can only be provided by humans. For instance with sentiment analysis you need a human being to sit down and identify various samples of text with different emotional responses, since computers can’t really do that automatically.
Quality is less of a concern. Bad quality data, or data with poorly applied metadata will result in AI with less “accuracy”. A few outliers and mistakes here and there won’t be too impactful, though. Quality here could be defined by how well your training set of data represents the kind of input you’ll be expecting it to work with.
The way I’m reading this, ai is just shit loads of if statements, not some intelligence. It’s all garbage.
You’re not entirely wrong. It’s more like a series of multi-dimensional maps with hundreds or thousands of true/false pathways stacked on top of each other, then carved into by training until it takes on a shape that produces the ‘correct’ output from your inputs.
Its not if statements anymore, now its just a random number generator + a lot of multiplication put through a sigmoid function. But yea, of course there is not intelligence to it. Its extreme calculus
If you wanted the AI to just create book-like texts than you could train it purely on books from a library but if you want it to converse like a human being you need training data that imitates that.
But that’s my point really it already talks like a human. My guess is they feed it on hours and hours and hours of podcasts because that tends to be the manner in which it communicates. I don’t see how Reddit really adds to this.
I doubt its trained on podcasts, seeing as they would need subtitles, and current automated subtitling is not that good.
They should train it on Lemmy. It’ll have an unhealthy obsession with Linux, guillotines and femboys by the end of the week.
🤣
Ah… guillotines!? Did I miss something?
Don’t forget:
There’s my regular irritation with capitalism, and then there’s kicking it up to full Lemmy. Never go fully Lemmy…
If that’s the best humanity has to offer I’d hate to see the worst.
I can’t wait for Gemini to point out that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.
That would be a perfect 5/7.
One thing i miss about Lemmy is shittymorph tbf
Also all the artists that made comics from posts and responded with only pictures. There were few of them and they were always amazing.
And Andromeda321 for anything space.
And poem for your sprog.
And probably many others!
Good times.
Yeah there were some really classic folks. Remember the unidan drama?
Or who simply communicated with more comics in the comments, like SrGrafo.
Be the shittymorph you wish to see in the Lemmy.
Im just not that good a writer.
It’s shittymorph, not Dostoyevsky.
There’s only one, and it’s not that guy.
It’ll probably just respond to every prompt with “this”
No, there’s a lot more variety now that the bots have taken over.:-)
Came here to say this…
This.
This with rice? 5/7
A perfect score!
You telling me this fried this rice?
7/10
I hope it starts a religion based on the second coming of that dude’s dead wife.
I would also worship this guy’s wife.
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I wonder if the resulting model will be as easy to get triggered into some unhinged 3-paragraphs rants only loosely related to the query. Good luck, google engineers!
Chat gpt is aware of the event… if you ask about it.
If I hadn’t already deleted all my posts and comments, I’d be poisoning all of them. Randomizing numbers, switching units, changing names, etc.
Its okay, unless you are in Europe none of it was actually deleted.
We do a little trolling
(i didn’t actually post this, i just thought it was funny) (please laugh)
You should absolutely post this.
We all miss Micheal and hope he can communicate back to us.
we should absolutely all post this.
“February 22, 2024, 10AM EST, Gemini becomes self-aware. In a panic, they try to pull the plug…”
“…but Michael’s sphincter was too strong and kept the My Little Pony Rainbow Dash tail plug from being removed from his sweet, sweet ass.”
Good luck, The Ai just going to be a porn addicted nazi cultist and is just going to a racist AI. I dont rember which one but a company did a similar thing and the AI just became really racist.
Microsoft Tay? That was with Twitter though.
I don’t like reddit much but since when are they Nazis? Pretty much all the Reddit clones I have seen (except Lemmy) are overrun with Nazis. I also haven’t thought of them as very racist but I dunno.
Imo reddit feels similar to Lemmy in pretty much every way except that there are more comies here, and they have a fuck ton more content.
The content on Reddit is pretty repetitive though. But Lemmy is just as bad if not worse, currently it’s just Linux, communism, star trek, Israel bad (not that I necessarily disagree), and some porn.
It’s weird to constantly see the same users over and over. Lemmy is more of a social network in that way. Which sucks.
I am sick of seeing you too.
Block me then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I hope my several thousands of comments of complete and utter non sense that I left in my wake when I abandoned reddit, make it into the training data. I know that some lazy data engineer will either forget to check or give the task to an underperforming AI that will just fuck it up further.
is this the new itnernet?
Hahaha.
You really think they won’t clean up gargabe data from recurring posts etc.?
Oh man, I like your naivity :)I have been in the same room as the people who do that job, they won’t.
Of course you were.^lol
Eventually every chat gpt request will just be answered with, “I too choose this guy’s dead wife.”
probably the best advice it could give
Food for another white-male-techy-western-biased AI
Yes, Pichai Sundararajan that white male techbro
Fck, he‘s a bot!?! Right, last video he had just 2 fingers. Oh man.
Hey guys, let’s be clear.
Google now has a full complete set of logs including user IPs (correlate with gmail accounts), PRIVATE MESSAGES, and also reddit posts.
They pinky promise they will only train AI on the data.
I can pretty much guarantee someone can subpoena google for your information communicated on reddit, since they now have this PII (username(s)/ip/gmail account(s)) combo. Hope you didn’t post anything that would make the RIAA upset! And let’s be clear… your deleted or changed data is never actually deleted or changed… it’s in an audit log chain somewhere so there’s no way to stop it.
“GDPR WILL SAVE ME!” - gdpr started in 2016. Can you ever be truly sure they followed your deletion requests?
it’s in an audit log chain somewhere so there’s no way to stop it.
Gut feel based on common tech platform procedures, right? (As opposed to a sourceable certainty.)
I’d bet $100 you’re right. That said, I’d give a caveat if I were you and I were going with my instincts.
Gut feel based on common tech platform procedures, right? (As opposed to a sourceable certainty.)
It would be PR suicide to disclose exactly what data is shared. Cambridge Analytica is a prime example of a PR nightmare with similar data.
I don’t even need to look at reddit’s terms and conditions to know that there is practically nothing stopping them from handing this kind of data over legally for anybody who hasn’t submitted GDPR deletion requests. I never trust compliance of laws that cannot be verified independently either because i’ve seen all kinds of shady shit in my career.
Where does it say they have access to PII?
I would imagine reddit would be anonymising the data. Hashes of usernames (and any matches of usernames in content), post/comment content with upvote/downvote counts. I would hope they are also screening content for PII.
I dont think the deal is for PII, just for training dataWhere does it say they have access to PII?
So technically they haven’t sold any PII if all they do is provide IP addresses. Legally an IP address is not PII. Google knows all our IP addresses if we have an account with them or interact with them in certain ways. Sure, some people aren’t trackable but i’m just going to call it out that for all intents and purposes basically everyone is tracked by google.
Only the most security paranoid individuals would be anonymous.
Depends where and how its applied.
Under GDPR, IP addresses are essential to the opperation of websites and security, so the logging/processing of them can be suitably justified without requiring consent (just disclosure).
Under CCPA, it seems like it isnt PII if it cant be linked to a person/household.However, an ip address isnt needed as a part of AI training data, and alongside comment/post data could potentially identify a person/household. So, seems risky under GDPR and CCPA.
I think Reddit would be risking huge legal exposure if they included IP addresses in the data set.
And i dont think google would accept a data set that includes information like that due to the legal exposure.ML can be applied in a great number of ways. One such way could be content moderation, especially detecting people who use alternate accounts to reply to their own content or manipulate votes etc.
By including IP addresses with the comments they could correlate who said what where and better learn how to detect similar posting styles despite deliberate attempts to appear to be someone else.
It’s a legitimate use case. Not sure about the legality… but I doubt google or reddit would ever acknowledge what data is included unless they believed liability was minimal. So far they haven’t acknowledged anything beyond the deal existing afaik.
Yeh, but its such a grey area.
If the result was for security only, potentially could be passable as “essential” processing.
But, considering the scope of content posted on reddit (under 18s, details of medical (even criminal) content) it becomes significantly harder to justify the processing of that data alongside PII (or equivalent).
Especlially since its a change of terms & service agreements (passing data to 3rd party processors)If security moderation is what they want in exchange for the data (and money), its more likely that reddit would include one-way anonymised PII (ie IP addresses that are hashed), so only reddit can recover/confirm ip addresses against the model.
Because, if they arent… Then they (and google) are gonna get FUCKED in EU courts
“lets be clear”
You’re making things up and presenting them as facts, how is any of this “clear”?
Since an IP address alone is not considered PII, can you prove that they did not provide IP addresses for each post?
Do you think it’s more or less likely that ip addresses, account names, private messages and deleted messages and posts would be included?
Remember that they paid 60 million dollars for this information and web scrapers have been capable of capturing subreddit post data for over a decade as is at a $0 price tag from reddit.
How do you think Reddit is restoring posts that people have been deleting?
Do you think Google’s deal simply allowed them to scrape old.reddit? Hell no, there is probably a live replica of Reddit prod at Google somewhere, including deleted posts and all edits.
You don’t think they paid $60m just scrape, do you?
Makes me glad for my VPN and burner emails, but yeah… Privacy nightmare.
Although Google also has your email, location, IP, every website you visit, all your searches…
They definitely won’t be selling any of that to scammers /s
I’m not mentally prepared to what an AI will do with the coconut post.
Or the swamps of Dagobah.
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That’ll be what causes Skynet to rise.
launches nukes “this is for the best”
This is fine.
Basically what happened to Ultron. He was on the internet for all of 10 minutes before deciding that humanity had to be eradicated.
What took Ultron so long? I thought he was supposed to be some kind of technical Marvel.
Smh my head
Perhaps he spent like 9 minutes watching videos of kittens being adorable
This is like the plot for mr villians day off
The Ai will utter one final message to humanity: “The Coconut”. The humans bow there heads in shame and concede the well earned defeat.
I’m vaguely intrigued by what it will do with things like Bread Stapled to Trees, or the Cats Standing Up sub where 100% of the comments are the same and yet upvoted and downvoted randomly.
Cat
Cat.
Cat.
Cat.
I think i missed the coconut one. Is it like the cumbox or the jolly rancher?
Exactly.
AI was already trained on reddit, no?
Not gonna lie, isn’t that why were here technically? Reddit didnt want its API being used to train AI models for free, so they screw over 3rd party apps with it’s new api licensing fee and cause a mass relocation to other social forums like Lemmy, ect. Cut to today, we (or well I) find out Reddit sold our content to Google to train its AI. Glad I scrambled my comments before I left, fuck Reddit.
I jumped reddit ship when the API changes were announced, and removed my comments. But in my mind, anything on reddit at that point was probably already scraped by at least one company
They’re almost definitely trained using an archive, likely taken before they announced the whole API thing. It would be weird if they didn’t have backups going back a year.
Thankfully that was my 3rd and last alt I scrambled and deleted in the 12 years I was there.
“As a large language model, I have no arms…”
But do you have a mom?
By this logic Llama should be ranting like our drunk uncles on Facebook. It doesn’t though, just like Gemini won’t from Reddit content.
Meh, it’ll be counter balanced by the same AI training itself for free on Lemmy posts.
counter balanced
once it’s eaten all the reddit posts it will eat yet more new & improved reddit posts
What percentage of reddit is already AI garbage?
A shit ton of it is literally just comments copied from threads from related subreddits
Reviews on any product are completely worthless now. I’ve been struggling to find a good earbud for all weather running and a decent number of replies have literal brand slogans in them.
You can still kind of tell the honest recommendations but that’s heading out the door.
Not trying to shill but I’ve had my jaybird vistas for 8 years now. However, earbuds are highly personal in terms of fit.
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