This is true, but a policy that will favour bikes will be done at the expense of public transports.
There are train cars with bike racks, Park&Ride programs catered to bikes and bike paths alongside bus/tram infrastructure. Those examples make it possible to favour both.
The fairly large Midwestern city I grew up in has bike racks on every single bus so you can ride your bike to/from any bus stop anywhere in the city. It’s just the cheap little 2 bike ones on the front that add about 30 seconds of fumbling to the stop, but it still significantly extends how far one can travel without a vehicle in the city
Edit: autocarrot decided the buses need bone racks before bike racks
Ah yes the Dutch don’t exist
damn lisa really needs to shorten those slides for her presentation and start doing the talking herself
Serious death by PowerPoint vibes
0 cars bad idea. Need less car, need more everything else.
Stonetoss edits manage to be funnier than the original comic even when they’re still mocking the left, that guy really has a talent for being obnoxious.
I know right. What are they teaching children at Springfield elementary?
A lot of people think of themselves as too good for public transportation.
In my first job i used to work for a property management company. The owner had her office in the lavish flat of her parents in an upper class area of the city. When the mother of her asked, how i make it to work and i answered by subway. Her answer was something like “I couldn’t do that. It is always so dirty.”
Fuck rich people.
Maybe mentioned subway does have cleaning issues? Because for example Moscow subway has issues cleaning entrances.
It costs me about 25 minutes of parking to catch a bus to the city while reading, have my meeting and take my time, then pay for the bus back home with a grand total of around 7 minutes walking.
Nearly door to door chauffeur that is cheaper than driving myself. Who’s too good for that?
It’s not that I think I’m too good for public transport, I just absolutely hate being near other people, especially ones I don’t know. It’s enough to endure 8 hours of office work, I’d rather be a hobo than commute.
I do own a e-bike as well as an EV, but I can only cycle to work pretty much half of the year, because snow/slush/ice, and even during summer and autumn, I take the car on days I’m going somewhere else than home straight from work (shop, gf, friends).
Public transport with closed separate sitting “boxes” is what it would take for me.
I tried making it more a part of my routine, because I had a bus stop in my neighborhood and the buses stopped charging a fare. I figure it was a good way to travel around town for free. The times weren’t great, but I was using it for little trips. One time a neighbor saw me waiting for the bus and called to make sure I was okay, that there wasn’t some weird emergency that meant I couldn’t drive… Yeah, no, just wanted to take public transit.
A few months later, they removed the bus stop by me. It’s 3/4 mile of steep hill away now, so I’m back in my car full time. Oh well, I tried.
In some areas, public transit can also be dangerous, with robberies, assaults, stabbings, sexual harassment and sexual assaults frequently making the news. As someone who used to live in Chicago, I wouldn’t recommend anyone taking public transit at night there unless you absolutely have to.
Even in Butovo public transport isn’t as dangerous as you describe. But you describe USSA.
Cause they live somewhere where public transit is treated as a last thought thing for “the poors”. When public transit is designed as a method of moving people, rather than a last thought, it gets much wider adoption. Because it’s freaking great to not have to drive.
I remember getting into this with my wife. She is into buses and those were black magic, I liked the subways. Took a few bus rides with her and she converted me. Both are great options with pros and cons.
I like the bus better to. More comfortable and fast then the subway every time.
Whre on the world are buses faster that the subway?
Places where subways don’t have as many stops, or cities that have better bus infrastructure and/or funding, likely (example: bus has more funding and as a result, you might only have to wait a couple minutes at a bus stop compared to 10+ at a subway).
Could be off base, but that seems likely enough.
Any examples?
No, because I was just spitballing plausible answers. I tried to make that pretty clear.
Scooters. Next argument.
Scooters without the ability to take them anywhere is a stupid solution.
Clearly I’m being misunderstood.
THESE scooters:
Yes, I understand.
i disagree, once you get your driver’s license you’re able to drive indefinitely
Cradle to Grave transportation.
A walkable city means everything is closer for everyone, so if you have mobility issues you can just use a slower, safer, more efficient vehicle like a scooter or a cart that still suits your needs since you don’t have to go as far as to need a car.
That’s why I always have a cart in my pocket for my handicapped wife. Just in case we have to go to the city to access resources not available elsewhere. /s
I am all for walkable, bikeable cities with good public transport. The next city, though, is just gutting accessability by car without doing the necessary changes to make it more accessible by other means.
Sounds easier to fit in your pocket than a 2 ton vehicle. Cars are only seen as convenient due to their ubiquity.
Yes, but with a car I could actually reach the city and get somewhere there. Using a golf cart or similar vehicle would require that those were available in the city, so I could get to the city by e.g. public transport, and continue the way in such a cart. Sadly, the public transport there is f-ed up, and there is no golf cart rental there, anyway.
I do support bike- and pedestrian friendly cities, but they have to actually work, and that’s were things simply fail.
I think the part that is often lost on people who don’t live in large cities but have to visit them for doctors appointments and specialized shopping and whatnot is that in such a walkable city would involve parking once in a municipal lot then walking a shorter distance to what they’d currently have to walk when parking in every business’s private lot and move between parking lots
So what you are saying is that we’ll still need car infrastructure?
I don’t see how it could ever go away completely unless we develop some kind of teleportation device. People will always need a way to haul cargo around. It could certainly be reduced though with better city planning for those commuting to work and appointments and such that only need what they can hold on their person.
I’d like that a lot better if the cargo isn’t going to block the view of what’s ahead.
A standard bakfiets puts the cargo lower and the rider higher, but they’re rarely this wide. There are some mail bikes like you’re describing, with cargo in the back. There are also bike trailers. I think this is primarily for moving plants. There are some micro trucks that can haul a pallet in the space of a bike lane.
I mean, the thing here is that the vast majority of use cases are already solved for with bikes, motorcycles, and occasionally microcars or micro trucks and the remaining cases make more sense to be centralized. Like, you go to IKEA here and you have them deliver things to your house because why wouldn’t you? One truck making a bunch of deliveries is more efficient than a bunch of cars driving empty to a warehouse and picking things up. If you need to move things, it makes more sense to pay movers when you need them then to pay €10-15k (or way more, it’s like $10k in the US) every year to have a car. It’s just cheaper to pay movers than to own a car for moving things. There isn’t really a use case for owning a car that makes sense if you have functional infrastructure.
Oh yeah, for sure. To clarify, I’m not saying, “this is a bad design, therefore let’s just keep using cars”. I’m saying, “this solution has some flaws that should be addressed before it’s presented as a replacement for some car use cases”.
Potholes could be dangerous for this vehicle because you might not have a great view of the road itself, but you might still be less likely to hit a child because you can see them easier than an empty truck or SUV.
I’ve long been saying that a
handicappeddisabled person placard[1] should be your permission to drive within city limits, and other than that, you stay out of downtown areas of any city in your car.There are various degrees at which we can service private cars. Massive parking structures ain’t it, taking over all public spaces with roads ain’t it. But a path for disabled people to reach their destination directly in a car or van seems reasonable and doable, and will still allow us to reclaim most of the public space and money we spend servicing cars now.
[1] This is the correct name for it. Honestly, my bad.
I agree with your point as a disabled person - and here in the UK we kinda have this system. My car is registered disabled and therefore I can drive into LEZ, ULEZ and CC areas for free automatically. It’s a literal life saver when I survive off benefits, physically cannot use public transport, but I’m treated at hospitals in the very centre of London.
But the term “handicapped” is outdated and is considered offensive by some. Perhaps stick to “disabled people” instead.
Honestly should have checked myself before I wrote it out like that. Feel like I already knew this. In any case, fixed.
We all make slip ups, it’s all good 👍🏼
You don’t need full-sized cars for in-city accommodation.
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I in no way implied you did. My comment is an important note for others.
It depends on the city. Many american cities have so much suburban sprawl that you’re just not going to plan your way out of car dependency in our lifetime. The progress that can be made in these areas right now is zoning to break up the massive single use neighborhoods.
Edit: “full size” could mean a couple of things. Mall crawlers and pickups are ridiculous here. Sedans, hatchbacks, and even crossovers make sense here, depending on your individual lifestyle and needs.
If you start building out transit before you can use it effectively, it can help guide the buildout. You can not only zone for many concentrations of buildings but commit to an incentive to encourage people to live there. “I want to move into this apartment building because it is a nice walkable area of shops, parks, restaurants plus they’re building a train station”
I don’t disagree, but building transit for hypothetical use decades down the line is expensive and very unlikely to happen.
To be clear, I’m talking about places like where I live, i.e. no businesses at all for several miles in any direction. We need corner stores, neighborhood bars and restaurants, and retail space so people want to get somewhere that isn’t miles and miles away.
Yeah I’m probably spoiled by some recent projects in Boston where I live.
- for many years there was an industrial wasteland in the fan pier area that was underdeveloped and the industry had long since moved away. It was great cheap parking if you didn’t value your car. However the city spent years developing a master plan to connect the area with transit, funded a convention center, a courthouse, and brought in developers. In only a couple years, it went from a disconnected abandoned wasteland to an easy transit ride to convention center, hotels, entertainment, courthouse, many businesses, and is arguably one of the city’s hot spots. Good riddance to all the cheap parking.
- new development are around was it Harvard or BU hinged on a new train station and agreement with the college for immediate development
- a couple decades adding a new subway line. Granted the areas served already had lots of people, but building the stops was eventually followed by transit oriented development
That is simply untrue. Change can happen quite quickly if people care.
That level of change is rebuilding the entire surburb to be more dense. There isn’t the building capacity to do this to all of them , even if by some miracle you found the money.
You can’t make a bus route work when the area it’s travelling through is so spread out, it has to stop too much and drive for too long and costs more than it can make in fares.
If you want to change America then good luck, but it’ll be your grandchildren that get the benefit should you succeed.
Exactly, and I strongly suspect that most in-city accommodation can be done with neighborhood electric vehicles (NEVs)
I’m a disabled person living in a city in the UK. We have a scheme that allows me to swap my disability benefits for a car or mobility scooter. The cars deemed suitable for disabled people using a collapsible wheelchair are “compact/small family cars” and that size is perfectly adequate.
My most recent car is a seat Leon - a self charging hybrid. The mobility scheme I mentioned is really pushing fully electric cars and I’d absolutely love one. But being disabled often means being poor and like many other disabled people I live in a rented flat. There’s no EV charging at my block of flats. There’s no EV charging in my local town. I cannot afford to move, I can barely afford to survive. There are just SO many obstacles that aren’t being addressed in the UK it’s beyond frustrating.
Let’s look at the reasons car-owning motorcyclists (me) don’t ride their motorcycles:
-Weather exposure. Piling on gear in the cold sucks, sweating through your clothes sucks, and riding in the rain sucks. In addition to this: tempurature changes are really annoying because your gear needs change.
-Effort. Getting ready to leave takes more effort and longer than hopping in the car. Also driving a car is effortless compared to riding a motorcycle.
-Utility. Simply hauling my boots to work is super annoying because i don’t currently have my box installed.Solutions:
-Weather. Having the proper gear. Better, high-end gear will be better adaptable to wearher changes. Expensive, though.
-Effort. Preparing in advance due to not deciding at the last minute would help here. Riding will always take more effort than driving.
-Utility. If i didn’t own a car i would simply have a sporty moto and a cargo moto so hauling the basics wouldn’t be an issue however obviously hauling anything sizeable would still be an issue.How do these apply to cycling?
-Weather. Cycling in the cold and rain is not as bad as moto in the cold and rain howver cycling in the heat is much worse. Proper gear for cold and wet will make it suck less (it still sucks) but I would rather die than cycle in the heat.
-Effort. Cycling takes the same effort to get ready and more effort to ride (especially mentally due to the current road situation)
-Utility. Cycling and moto offer similar utility but there are less opportunities to strap boxes and bags to a random bicycle. You would probably need a large pannier or a cargo bike for most things. Hauling anything sizeable is, again, not realistic.The final problem: travel time. Cycling takes like triple the time to get anywhere in my situation and experience.
Seems most of the complaints are related to comfort.
This was a thought experiment done for my own benefit for my specific situation that i decided to share. Obviously other situations would lend similar yet different results.
I’m aware travel time in large cities is highly dependent on traffic—traffic is not something that I personally deal with.This comes from my experiences as a car driver, motorcyclist, and former cyclist.
Cycling takes longer bc the trip is not optimized for a bicycle.
I get what you’re saying for shorter trips, but once you get into the 20km range that’s an hour bike ride (unless you’re really going for it) no matter how optimised
So my commute is on the order of 20km, and that’s quicker by bicycle than bus (on my specific bus route), and much cheaper than parking a car
As a bonus I can park my bike in the office basement parking, versus walking from the nearest bus stop, or parking a car and walking from however far away your budget allows
Yeah, that’s where multimodal really makes sense. Like, take the bike to the train, take the train close, ride the bike the rest of the way. There are train cars marked specifically for bikes. Here in the Netherlands. I still haven’t tried it, but I see people using them all the time.
Should I check the cycling data I have of me traveling in a straight line down the main street of my town without stopping and compare it to the drive time for the same distance?
Go, measure the land dedicated to cars in a circle the distance to the end of main st. All that area is distance you wouldn’t need to bike if cars didn’t exist.
Not sure why i would do that. It’s clearly not within the scope or the stated context of my comment.
Then you failed to understand my point.
tiny electric cars you can drive onto trains and boats
A much better idea than some teslas in a short tunnel.
That’s basically what the new scooters and unicycles are, though sometimes I worry about their safety compared to bikes.
My ebike was basically a mobility aid for me and I didn’t even realise fully at the time.
I have a congenial hip deformity that made walking as a kid challenging, it was worsened by an autoimmune condition and in my late teens I slowly lost the ability to walk. By 22 I was a full time forearm crutches user, and at 23 a part time wheelchair user.
I was 100% reliant on accessible public transport to do anything. I could occasionally afford a taxi, but it was a rare occasion. It made finding work really difficult. When I was 24 I had surgery to remove a bunch of adhesions and scar tissue among some other things, and afterwards started an intensive two year physical therapy rehab program.
It got to the point where I could walk about 500m without any aid, and I could cycle about 1km on a standard bike. It was a huge increase to me previous range of zero, and it included the local shops and a second bus stop with additional routes so I was wrapped.
But then I got an ebike, and suddenly my range went from 1.5km to 21.5km, I could lazily pedal 20km and let the motor take me, though in reality I can turn the motor down and lazily ride 30-40km.
Over time, this lazy riding in addition to my PT meant I was working harder without feeling like I was, my walking range was growing too because my leg strength and my endurance was growing from lazily cycling so much. Suddenly I was doing 20,000 steps a day in addition to a casual 15km ride to work. Last year I set a goal to jog for 10 minutes, and nailed it before June, setting myself the goal of a 5km by Christmas, I went over, but ran my first ever 5km on January 4th. Having never ran before, not even as a child.
All thanks to my ebike.
Which I could only use because I have semi decent bike infrastructure in my area, and ebikes are legal.
To add to this, one time when I visited a German town, the tour guide, a somewhat elderly guy, chose to walk his bike everywhere he went - odd choice, but he said it was useful for him to have something to lean on when he’s not riding.
Make me a climate controlled hyper-efficient one seat vehicle thats safe and I’d be so there.
Where I live, only the enthusiasts and the ones who live really close to work only have like 40 non-contiguous days a year that they can reasonably commute in anything but a car without showing up soaked with rain, sweat, or frozen boogers.
I’d love to give up my car. I work from home. I legit only need it two days a week to pick up my kid from preschool. Even when I commuted I hated that I had to take 4 empty seats and 3000 pounds with me.
Even to take the train (whose schedule is now completely incompatible with anybody’s work schedule unless they work within walking distance of a train stop thanks to a wildly underfunded subway/bus/streetcar infrastructure), I still have to drive that pile of metal to the train station, and that’s too far to reasonably walk, and too dark to safely bike thanks to poorly lit winding roads and non-existent bike lanes.
The whole system is fucked, but even scooters and unicycles aren’t filling that niche. And they won’t until they can at least protect you from the elements in some capacity, and provide some modicum of safety against every idiot with a drivers license and a pavement princess they can’t see past the hood on.
You did kind of cite the actual issue, the one we want to fix, right in your complaint. A well-funded subway/bus infrastructure tends to suit most people’s needs, such that the short trip to take one of these dinky ebikes/e-unicycles to the train station (or, taking a frequent bus on its route) would rarely be so uncomfortable. The key here is that climate-controlling an individualized vehicle is going to be inefficient no matter what.
The environment will always be a potential concern. If you live in a rainy area, but vacuum-seal yourself into your hamster ball before heading to work, you’ll still need an umbrella after depositing your hamster ball into the Ball Collective before going into the office building. From my point of view, it seems like you’re pushing the “problems” into the wrong domain of concern, and also kind of pretending cars solve that issue 100% - which they don’t.
I’ll give up climate control as long as there’s decent protection from wind and rain and some level of safety.
Carrying an umbrella for a walk a couple of blocks is no big deal. Carrying an umbrella for 10 miles while traveling 15MPH is a bit much. Especially when you’re traveling against frigid winds.
And safety. Until cars are out of the picture almost entirely, any two-wheeled vehicle that has to share space with them is almost entirely out of the picture.
Yeah, in case it’s not clear, I’m definitely not suggesting carrying an umbrella in one hand on a bike; or sharing a 4-lane road with Son Unaliving Vehicles.
Rainy days would basically be when a bus is a better option, if not a straight walk to a train station.
And that’s what I’m getting at.
New York (outside of NYC)/New England is a tough place for giving up a car. Our housing just isn’t dense enough to support a decent public infrastructure.
Now, granted, my office is a good 30 miles as the crow flies from my house. I took that job because pay is sooo much better in Boston. And I took the train…for a while. Until my wife was in her third trimester, and I needed to be able to leave at the drop of a hat. And then Covid happened. And then the train schedules went to shit, and the Red and Green lines collapsed behind them (though they weren’t in terrific shape to begin with).
But if I wanted to solely take public transit into work, I’ve gotta leave my house at around 4am to walk about four miles to a bus, that drops me off at the train station 2 minutes after the inbound train leaves. So then sit at the train station for an hour until the next train. Then ride the train for an hour. Then hope to get on the first subway car, that’s now packed like a sardine can and paced out 15 minutes apart. Then walk a few more blocks.
And then repeat it, except the last bus back towards home just left 2 minutes before the train arrived. So now it’s more like 7 miles to get back home on foot or bike.
Cities are great, but if we think housing is expensive now, just wait until everyone has to be within 5 miles of where they work. I’m not an exception in traveling in to Boston from practically the RI border. Lots of people I work with commute in from NH.
Hell, my boss just moved to NH. He used to live near southern terminus of the red line, the subway that gets within a couple blocks of our office. His commute from New-fucking-Hampshire is almost as long.
Safety is definitely the tough part, and would probably require a new innovation in safety tech.
Maybe if you could find a way to create incredible traction between the tires and the road in emergencies you could stop faster and offset the G force when someone crashes into you.
Exterior airbags are also an option - basically just deploying a tire sized thick rubber balloon the instant before a collision, from both vehicles.
Or if the car is light enough, maybe it could jump.
Or like that table saw that stops when it hits flesh , you could have a break bar shoot down out of the bottom of the vehicle to jam into the road. Youd damage the asphalt but better some chunk of asphalt than a persons life.
Requiring CDLs for these huge monstrosities would finally put pressure on automakers to return to more reasonable car bodies and it would make sure that people who have to drive big vehicles at least are qualified to do so. Traffic tickets should also scale with the size of the vehicle since a speeding Range Rover presents different risks to the public than a speeding Smart Car.
Real investment in walkable cities and suburbs is the harder solution but the better one. If you could walk your kid to preschool that eliminates a car trip. Walking exposes you to the elements, but walking speed doesn’t amplify rain, cold, or heat like biking does. Zoning laws should allow a preschool, a grocery store, a pharmacy, a community space, and a hardware store to exist within easy walking distance for you. Bike paths should connect you to the next community. Miles of uninterrupted residential-only zoning is choking our planet.
Some people do “need” their pickups for recreation, but they’re almost all GHG emitters…towing boats, carrying ATVs/dirtbikes, etc. Campers are another thing, not so bad but I wouldn’t call those glampers anything close to camping.
But then these giant pickups become their daily drivers, and because of that they’re ubiquitous. And because of that, people who have absolutely no legitimate reason for driving a pickup truck or other huge vehicle, end up buying one to feel safe.
And in a way they are right. It’s insane how many people look at me like I’m trying to kill them for backing out of a space real slow. No, there is a giant iron fucking curtain that’s blocking my view of you and any other cross traffic. That’s why I turned on my backup lights and waited a few seconds before inching out. Not because I’m an idiot or I’m trying to kill you, but because I have absolutely no other option than to blindly back out of the space.
Floating chair based transportation is the future
Sign me up
That was the exact thing that come to my mind, thanks
Heck yeah! Me and my GF I feel like are a good example of this.
I use an escooter because I work from home, and my favorite grocery stores and dr office are within a mile. I’m also about 3 miles from a train station that goes up and down utah valley, so I see no reason for a car. I uber once every other month like when I needed to get something large to the post office.
My GF is a CNA that does free lancing. So it’s not unusual for her to have to drive an hour to the middle of nowhere with a shift that ends/starts in the middle of the night. A car just makes sense for her.
But people like me using micromobility/public transit means there are less cars on the road, less cars taking up parking, and even reducing the price of cars.
My sister can’t move her feet at the ankle. She’ll never drive unless we can afford a custom 50k car. She has a 3,000 dollar mobility scooter. We had to spend about a month mapping the city to figure out WHERE THE FUCK SHE COULD GET ON AND OFF THE SIDEWALK.
Edit: Let me elaborate further:
It was so bad, that if we didn’t think ahead, we would have to go back a half a mile. I’m not joking. You ever seen those roads between neighbor hoods with no turn offs? Better make sure that side walk ends with a ramp, otherwise, you have to go ALL the way back. You also can’t lift the scooter, it’s over 100lb. If you’re reading this, please petition your town to add more ramps to the sidewalk.
My sister has to have every bone from her pelvis to her ankle broken, REGULARLY. They have to cut all of her muscles, stretch them, reconnect them, and then inject them with botox. They then set them in a cast. This is just so she can properly grow, due to cerebral paulsy. And then, just to rub dirt in the wound, we can’t even use the sidewalk properly. We’re surrounded by beautiful nature and trails. She doesn’t get to experience that. Please petition your towns to add more ramps to the sidewalk. I’ll get off my soap box.
I am a healthy adult and I’m also continually enraged at the state of sidewalks in my area. When I walk my dog there are some routes I simply cannot take because the sidewalk just… ends. I think some lots extend all of the way to the street and it’s up to the property owner to put in sidewalks and many simply don’t. If I walk across their lawn to get to the next private sidewalk I get yelled at for messing up the grass that they spend “so much time and money” maintaining; fine, it’s your property and I’ll stay off, but what a waste of resources. Unless it’s a particularly quiet road, I shouldn’t have to walk in the street. The city-maintained sidewalks that do exist are a travesty: no curb cuts as you noted, tree roots that create huge steps, holes, and some have no curbs so people just drive on the sidewalk. The city doesn’t want to do anything about it because these are either privately “maintained” and they can’t, or it costs money and they don’t want to.
I do think that mobility scooters should come in off-road versions because I’ve never seen one. I don’t see why $3000 can’t buy something closer to an electric ATV with knobbly tires, full suspension, and a torquey motor that can mount curbs like a boss, but it’s a chair format and is limited to fast-walking speeds so that it isn’t a car. It’s probably a low-volume issue.
Probably don’t see any off road chairs because people often only have 1 chair and it has to stay tiny enough to get through a doorway.
It never ceases to amaze me, as a child and care giver of a parent with physical disabilities, how much this world is designed with no regard for people. It’s incredible. Fuck city planners.
My mom had a similar issue in our town, though no where near as bad. Her wheelchair is quite a bit heavier, but we got a small folding ramp that we bungee to the back of her chair and take with us everywhere. Whenever we find somewhere that she can’t go because of a step of less than 12 inches/30cm we can use that. It it’s more than that, we just have to figure something else out or not go there. It’s not okay the way everything is designed. And it doesn’t make sense. Everyone, regardless of mobility, can use a ramp, not everyone can use a step. Why is it so hard to get the fucking ramp?
That’s the logical result of decades of car-centric policies.
Sidewalks with ramps on them are a technology that has existed for a very long time. The only reason they aren’t there, is because somebody didn’t want to pay for them. I’m not blaming cars. I’m blaming politicians that are lazy as fuck about actually helping their people. And to an extent, many of those people, for not recognizing this as an obvious issue and pushing for it to be fixed.
We had to spend about a month mapping the city to figure out WHERE THE FUCK SHE COULD GET ON AND OFF THE SIDEWALK.
Wow. It even worse than my shithole.
Just make it national law to follow an industry standard that includes ramps everywhere a intentional transition between roads or entrances to properties are.
Germany has DIN 18317 and DIN 18318 for that. DIN = Deutsche Industrie Norm (German industry standard)
Same with GOSTs here.
GOST = ГОСТ = (Меж)государственный Стандарт = (Inter)national Standard
Was just National Standard during USSR.
Wait you used both Latin and Cyrillic scripts to describe that.
Are they both used in former Soviet countries? Are the Cyrillic words phonetically closer to what GOST would sound like?
Are they both used in former Soviet countries?
I’m trying to understand your question. Latin and Cyrillic scripts? Depends on language. In Russian only Cyrillic. Polish I think uses Latin.
Are the Cyrillic words phonetically closer to what GOST would sound like?
GOST is transliteration of ГОСТ. International Standard is translation. Or Interstate Standard if “государство” is translated as state.
For a second, I thought you had quoted a different paragraph.
Dude it gets worse. They installed decorative boulders on our sidewalk instead of adding ramps. The stones were SANDSTONE AND IMMEDIATELY ERODED.
It was pointless, got in the way, and cost tax payer money.
The boulders used to take up 1/3 of the walk way, so I’m happy they’re being weatherd.
Jesus christ who is in charge of this, lol. I’m so sorry. That sounds frustrating as hell, I really have no good words.
Exactly. Which is why people who ate on the opposite end of the extreme, insisting that all cars of all kinds must be banished, are so annoying.
There’s no one size fits all system, so stop with the “everyone should just ride the bus or train you don’t need cars” rubbish. Neither extreme are correct. We live in the real world.
I don’t think anyone is arguing for the complete abolishment of cars, they just don’t feel the need to caveat everything anti car they say with of course we still need ambulances etc just in case someone doesn’t understand that.
We should make it such that people don’t need cars though.
So how would you get a handicapped person to a specialized doctor in the center of a city with f-ed up public transport?
EDIT: The downvotes show me that you don’t have any meaningful answers to that real-world problem.
Glad you asked. Watch the 1:13 minute mark in this video.
I expected powered wheelchair
So, fucked up public transport is a necessity?
No, it just happens that the city I’m talking about has a mayor that has done a bunch of traffic “reforms” for political reasons without thinking or professional guidance. She basically made half-hearted attempts to improve bike traffic (which were not really improvements, neither for bikers, nor for everyone else), didn’t do squat for public transport (except that the central bus station is now way worse, and she wants to “start planning an overhaul” in a few years), and the central traffic pipeline, the city ring, is now broken.
By investing in better public transport and by investing in public healthcare.
That would be nice, but with that town, this does not seem an option. The mayor is a bit … bonkers.
Mayors change far more easily and frequently than infrastructure.
Nobody really believes that she’ll survive the next election in office.
I would not want to be too close if my wife tried that. There are reasons she’s got no driving licence.
Visual disability? Mental instability?
Visual Disability. Cannot properly estimate distances and speeds. Which is quite a problem for driving anything.
Wow. While inability to estimate speeds has workarounds, I have no idea what to do with inability to estimate distance other than using only public transit or living in city without cars.
You literally need a license to drive and be over legal age. Compared to that, everyone can cycle or use public transport.
Ahahah yeaaahh, I’m going to block this instance. None of you guys will enact real change towards better transportation if you’re this resistant to real world economic and social constraints. Enjoy your echo chamber, I’m gonna see myself out
Echo chamber is when someone disagree with me
You mean what Europe already does?
I thought america was the greatest nation on earth
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