It’s already at 112% on my desktop.
I use Debian btw
Sorry guys, this is just me with a basement full of computers running Linux.
Sorry I’ve been reinstalling my computer about once a week.
Same but with local repos and cached debs so they don’t count
We must all do what we can to BECOME the Mirror.
found the power user!
NixOS user spotted!
I’m a bit more of a masochist, Archlinux. I am beginning to see the appeal of having something like NixOS though.
Definitely try it, using NixOS after the “horrors” of Arch feels much more secure. Your system is basically unbreakable, not unintentionally, at least.
on an unrelated note, people who squeeze in what os they use to every conversation also rises to 4%.
Just wait for VeganOS to drop.
Is equating Linux users to vegans a thing? I came to the conclusion (I thought) on my own…but now reading this here I’m questioning that conclusion
It’s a big thing because it’s much easier to make fun of an objectively better lifestyle choice (avoiding meat or Microsoft etc.) than it is to try and argue against it. Especially because that would force people to question their own behaviour and that can be difficult and hurtful.
nah it’s just a reputation because people who make these choices usually try to spread the word, but sometimes it becomes perceived as obnoxious. vegans just got a bad reputation because it was relatively early internet days, i haven’t seen vegans being as obnoxious as weed smokers, for example.
now, weed smoking is objectively not a better lifestyle choice but i think they’re much much worse than vegans ever were. has nothing to do with arguing against things, not that I would argue against veganism anyway; i admire the choice.
hey I try to be vegan for software, but a moderate and balanced diet is the objectively better lifestyle choice than forcing beans and grass down your throat, and producing enough methane to power 2 dutch ovens.(I am from a predominantly vegetarian culture, most of our meat dishes have only 10% meat in them, which I think is a good enough amount)
It’s not making fun of the lifestyle, it’s the the fact that people who partake in these things seemingly bring it up for no reason.
But honestly I can’t remember the last time a vegan brought up being a vegan for no reason. While here on lemmy it seems every opportunity someone has to claim Linux superiority, no matter how weak, they have to let everyone know how “objectively better” they are.
I’m vegan and I hate bringing it up out of any context. Obviously there’s context here since we’re talking about it.
Hell I hate even saying it at a restaurant. Get weird looks ordering pizza without cheese when everyone else is getting mozz sticks and wings. Sure I could get a salad, but have you ever had salad at a pizza place? Fucking horrid. And only oil and vinegar to slide it down your throat? Ugh.
“how do you know someone [does crossfit, is vegan, uses linux]”
“They’ll tell you”
It’s a fairly common joke and seems to get stapled onto any lifestyle choice that someone likes to talk about
Linux users are like vegetarians Arch users like vegans. One is a dietary choice, the other a cult.
I use arch btw
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Didn’t we hit 3% in January this year? At this rate well reach 350% by EOY!
I know it’s a joke, but where did you get that number? If it’s at 3% in January and 4% in February. Either it’s a flat 1% increase/month or an increase of 33%. How else can it be interpreted?
How else can it be interpreted?
Exponential increase that has been slow for decades, but is just now starting to ramp up?
Sure, but the question was how they got to the number. If it was a random big number, then fine, that answers my question, but I was just wondering if there was a reason behind it. Usually when people make that joke they just purposefully misinterpret the trend which is why I went for the 1% or 33%
From the dephs of my ass. But basically it’s been around 2% for decades, then it went from 3 to 4% in a matter of months, so it’s accelerating exponentially very quickly!
You can do funny things with statistics if you just use the wrong fitness function.
Fitness function, nice. Will remember that. Ty :D
From the depths of my ass
oh ok
You can download a csv of the market share from 2009, it shows it reached 3% for the first time in jun 2023, there might be some kind of rapid growth in popularity here.
Don’t panic, thats just me running it on PC, laptop, worklaptop, pinenote, pinephone, steamdeck and in multiple VMs for experimentation. (and don’t forget my randomized fingerprinting setup in the browser)
How are you randomising your fingerprint? I’m very interested
Edit: ah, in your browser
It rubs the lotion on it’s skin.
How is the PineNote coming along?
I love the idea of the Pinenote, but could never afford one.
Not great tbh. But I made it work for my usecase somewhat.
As a huge tinkerer I like it over the Remarkable2 which I had before and which was a huge pain to customize.
But I wouldn’t recommend it to normal people.
This was my question too
Me, who could do everything I have set up with one RPi: FIVE? Guess imma get a third Pi
Hoe is the pinenote? I have been debating on buying one
https://lemmy.world/comment/8047127
Hardware is pretty solid, software is extremely lacking.
Only buy one if you want to develop for it.
Thanks, I hoped the software would have been a bit more developed by now. I don’t have the time to mess about with it sadly
Was gonna ask if this stat included the Steam Deck, as that’s also accounting for the vast majority of Linux gaming numbers. Whether it does include the Deck or not, it’s a nice rise, but all the better if it doesn’t include the Deck. I wonder if the popularity of using Linux on the Raspberry Pi is helping too.
How many people are reading blogs on their steam decks though? I don’t think it’s having much of an effect for statcounter
You never know, given the Deck has desktop mode. That said, still is a good thing with or without the Deck bolstering the numbers.
tell me more about your browser setup.
how do you randomize the fingerprint?
What do you use for randomized fingerprinting?
With MS enshitifying Windows at an ever increasing pace and the hard work of open source developers, volunteers, advocates, to make Linux better and more approachable, I won’t be surprised at all to see that percentage move up.
“You mean its free and doesn’t try to sell me other products the whole time I’m using it?”
There is the psychological factor that Windows behaves more like malware with their forced full screen overlays to shove the Edge into your ass. Over and over again. Microsoft doesn’t take No for an answer like an abusive partner.
You put words to the feeling I get whenever I turn on my work PC. It has relatively little to do with my actual work. It’s the dread of the psychological abuse of everything asking me to update, upgrade, and look at how cool our AI is, try all of our other products, share your opinion, etc. etc. etc. I would be twice as productive if they let me BYOOS (bring your own OS) and if my day to day tools were Linux compatible. There are best practices for this kind of thing, but many of the most “reputable” tech companies willingly disregard them in favor of mind games and dark psychology.
damn, you might get me back on Windows if it feel like that 🥴
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Haven’t we celebrated 3% just a few months ago?
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There’s separate market shares for mobile devices, and combined as well.
Choosing all platforms we currently get:
Linux - 1.54%
Unknown - 2.42%
OS X - 5.87%
iOS - 17.82%
Windows - 27.39%
Android - 43.74%Android is Linux, too.
Only if you completely disregard the userland and impound the definition of Linux to the kernel base
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I’m carious how they monitor linux desktop users maybe by web agent ?
It doesn’t mean much, it’s just a metric people like around here. This number can grow and shrink just as easily with spoofed user agents strings. I think brave spoofs it and there’s a chrome extension, there maybe a few more examples.
I wouldn’t take it at face value is what I’m getting at. There’s just no other way to measure because most distros don’t collect telemetry and Firefox doesn’t seem to make theirs public.
Yes
Websites choose to use their web analytics, then the site combines the web analytics looks at the web agent and guesses from there. I don’t think the number has much meaning, it could vary widely if a Linux centric site opted in or if a privacy extension chooses to black/white list their stuff my default.
Finally the year of GNU/Linux desktop 🍾
I question the methodology here. The same site lists Linux desktop share at 2% in my country specifically. It feels like if it was that high you’d see it on people’s laptops more in coffee shops and what not… but I’ve yet to see a single other person using Linux on the desktop.
I know most of that 4% is in India… but still feels like it should be more ubiquitous if the number is that high.
2% is still very low, and thats not necessarily spread evenly throughout different areas/communities.
With 2%, you would roughly find someone using linux for every 50 computers you stumble upon. Maybe it’s not as far off as you imagine. However, like someone already mentioned, the distribution isn’t homogenous, and maybe there are concentrations of linux computers in some universities, businesses, etc.
Or maybe linux users don’t go out as often as the average person, so you never get the chance to see them in coffee shops lol. If the other linux users are like me, that’s exactly the case…
I’ve never understood how this is good for Linux. Why is having more users so important?
More users means there is more interest from private companies to reach these users and to port their software/products to Linux. Ie Adobe, Games, AutoCAD Suit, etc.
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux? Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
Edit: Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I’m “wrong” or discussing further? Is Lemmy turning into Reddit already?
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?
You’re right, there’s downsides for the FOSS community, but it’s much better for many individuals.
Usability, accessibility and privacy for a user is better when any proprietary software, that they cannot avoid, can at least run relatively sandboxed inside an OS they have control over.
Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
Good point, but thankfully, an open OS mitigates these issues a great deal.
But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?
Because it’s what reality looks like right now. Everything FOSS would be ideal, but it’s probably not going to happen for a looooong time. In the meantime more software is always good, and it also means more FOSS software you can choose as an alternative.
Wouldn’t we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?
No, because the base OS is still open, so you have choices that you don’t have under Windows.
Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I’m “wrong” or discussing further?
Tbh it sounds a bit disingenuous when you say that you don’t understand such a basic thing. It should be pretty obvious that more users means more interest from devs+companies and more support for the platform.
People don’t like frequently dual-booting or switching operating systems. If someone needs a specific program for work, and that program only works on windows, chances are they will only use windows.
Many people have to use proprietary software at work, which means most computers for work have to run windows. If linux can get enough marketshare to get support for the necessary programs that people have to use, that will free them up to not use windows at all.
There’s also more chances of FOSS being developed for Linux if more people use it. FOSS is better the more popular it gets.
This seems like wishful thinking to me. Is there any data that supports that with more users comes more FOSS developers?
I’m not sure you need data to understand that if more people use a product, there’s a greater chance someone will develop FOSS for it, as FOSS developers tend to also be users.
Bigger platforms attract more devs.
The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.
The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.
Really?
I don’t think OpenBSD is as funded as Debian but it could maintain software like OpenSSH (even the portable version for Linux and Windows); LibreSSL (still not much used, but funded because of this), OpenSMTPD.
But OpenBSD can maintain its ports which in my opinion is relatively large (no update for -release, sorry :) ). And base. For so many hardware platform. Even VAX until 6.9
Yeah, really. OpenBSD punches above its weight. There are many things they would like todo, but don’t have the resources.
Proprietary software is one of the last anchors holding people to Windows or macOS.
Ideally, people would switch to FOSS alternatives on a FOSS OS, but proprietary software on top of a FOSS OS is better than FOSS software on a proprietary OS.
Also, people are going to charge for software in some form or fashion. The economic model would need to change in order to allow people to develop software without any economic motives.
The difference is that, with a base FOSS OS, you’re not locked in to an flavor you don’t like. Dislike the way Ubuntu is headed? Switch to Debian, Pop, or Mint and use the same exact programs you’re used to. If you dislike Windows 11, you’ve only got a few years before you’re forced to switch to it. Makes it much easier for them to force shitty decisions.
More adoption of Linux also means more incentive for FOSS projects to support it. Yes, it also means more proprietary software, but the truth is that most people don’t care what kind of software they use as long as it works for them. At least Linux can’t become beholden to the demands of that software.
You’ve never understood how support works? It doesn’t matter that it’s harder to find apps that work on Linux than windows and Mac? It matters less to me than most people but it definitely still matters
I would certainly benefit if more hardware supported Linux out-of-the-box.
Many people will benefit if that one key application they need is supported on Linux.
We all benefit from the paid developers working on Linux. The number of such people are linked to the profitability of Linux for companies which is a function of popularity.
Your point is a very important one. The numbers have to come up so that manufacturers notice. It might make the difference in a laptop designer choosing a well-Linux-supported wifi chip, instead of a shitty, closed chipset like Broadcom. When the price-per-unit difference is pennies, knowing that you’re potentially losing some thousands of customers in exchange for saving a few cents per unit can make the difference in how you choose.
It also matters in user choice in the workplace. The more normalized Linux is, the more likely there will be skills in IT support, more mass-management tools, and more willingness to allow employees to choose their OS.
But where it really matters is in standards. Diversity puts pressure on software developers to use standardized and open data exchange standards. I can’t emphasize enough how important diversity in OSes is to driving creation of, and conformance to, standards, and how much of an anathema to standards monocultures are.
Even within OSS this is true: github and git have become monocultures; they aren’t standards, they’re tools developers are forced to use if they want to interact with the wider development world in any meaningful way. They’re not bad; git became dominant largely because github used to be so fantastically better than anything else available at the time; but now, their very dominance stiffles diversity and innovation. Want to try the rather exciting pijul, the patch-based spiritual successor to darcs? Fuck you, because you won’t be able to collaborate with anyone, and you repos won’t work with any proglang module systems like cargo or Go modules, because it isn’t git[1]. Monocultures are bad, whether they’re evil corporation software, or FOSS.
Higher Linux use increases diversity, encourages data format standards, and creates a healthier ecosystem. That’s why these numbers are important.
[1] Go and Rust’s cargo support more VCSes than git, but they could easily not, and I’m sure the maintainer’s of the vcs code wish they could drop support for some of the long tails - and everything that isn’t git is on the long tail at this point. There are attempts at creating some standards around this; ActivityPub has tossed around ideas, forgefriends has been trying for a breakthrough for years - none of them address the root issue of how tools can access sourcecode efficiently in a way abstracted from the underlying vcs. Any such tool currently must have some bespoke code to speak the network language of the vcs, for every vcs. And since git is the most popular, when faced with the daunting task of supporting N vcses, when N-1 of them are in toto used by a small percent of users, it’s just easier to support only git.
But is the desktop really the most relevant measurement? Wouldn’t it be more relevant to talk about “primary” devices? When I grew up, the desktop was what people used to connect with Internet and everything that comes with that. Hence, Linux on the desktop seemed to be relevant. Now, that is still relevant in relation to work and gaming, but for general use people use other devices. So instead of “on the desktop” I think we should talk about “for work”, “for gaming” and “for programming”.
Exactly.
As usual, the geeks in this forum are completely out of touch with reality. I say that as a Linux user of decades.
Desktop stats matter less than ever because ordinary people do not buy desktop computers any more and will do so even less in the future.
But in this context, desktop includes laptops. People still buy those.
Less and less. At this point most internet users in the world have never been near a general-purpose computer of any kind.
I hate that there is such a discrepancy between the amount of Linux server implementation and desktop usage. I’m hopeful for the future though, I’ve been noticing Linux has been getting more attention.
Linux dominates every computing sector except for the one it was originally created for
Very telling how Linux dominates every computing sector, except the one where the majority of users has to interact with directly.
Seems like Linux just needs a shell before the average user is able to interact with it in a consumer-friendly way.
Linux also surpassed 10% in my country, Greece (10.72%).
I prepared a couple of old laptops I had around recently, to gift to my niece and cousin, and I put Debian with XFce in both of them. Worked great. And I think that’s why Linux is big in Greece. Consider that when someone buys a car here, they use it until the end of its life. Very rarely they sell cars to get something new. The average car is 15 years old in Greece. I think that’s the deal with old laptops and computers too: people try to extend the lives of their machines.
how do you check for individual countries?
Follow the link in the post and click on “edit chart data”… You can select time frame, countries, which data to show, etc.
there’s a choice on the bottom of the page somewhere
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