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Ok Ukraine has 10 times the casualties, then lets talk about a ceasefire and a peace treaty
I love how they decided this is a “single issue voooting” thing. Even if there weren’t other reasons to hate Biden, that would still be ok because genocide is an obvious red line that most people don’t have a problem crossing.
But somehow we’re the tankies?
After the Ukraine war started I was getting into quite a few arguments with people about tankies apologizing for Stalin’s “Holodomor” and Katyn Forest and Molotov-Ribbentrop which would be pretty ironic coming from American liberals for anybody here familiar with any of these events before Oct 7th. But after Oct 7th these arguments become actual doublespeak. We’re arguing with liberals that will take contradictory positions on anything as long as they have a BBC article to point to but they will accuse YOU of taking contradictory positions while they do it.
I’m imagining some redditor nodding while reading this until they get to the Ukraine part and then swiftly downvoting.
i don’t think this dude knows what deciding issue means
I don’t think they know what “I’m sorry” means.
Comparing Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine is fucking ridiculous.
vibes based analysis with media treats characteristics
everyone knows you can’t physically care about anything that doesn’t intimately affect yourself! look at these weirdos with concern for uh anyone outside their immediate household. How would our society even function if everyone did that?!?
‘Not willing to do a genocide’ is a virtue wirth signaling.
“Virtue signalling” is such a funny idea. Signalling to whom? Literally nobody gives a shit. There are issues that crop up around in-groups, or using certain terms not as a way to communicate or educate, but as shibboleths. The problems of gate-keeping are well documented.
But “virtue signalling” doesn’t exist. It’s people who stand for nothing blaming others for their own cowardice. I hope something shifts for this person and they are able to regain their humanity. I am beginning to think that peoples subjective human experience has been replaced with internalized bourgeois values, and they can no longer see themselves as anything but a cog in a machine. Therefore that is the only way they can view others. It’s deeply saddening
AS much as the term is poisoned as all hell I’d argue there is absolutely virtue signalling, albeit just for people with power. You know the whole “ah we care about [any number of social issues] here at Causing Those Social Issues Ltd.”
Good point, and it illustrates how they’ve internalized bourgeois values instead of human ones
it’s just cracker chatter
“wokism”
“identity politics”
“virtue signaling”they need to create new meaningless phrases so they can pretend their grievances are something new
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Ukraine has 10x the casualties
Are they kidding?
If they mean Ukraine has suffered 300,000 casualties then yeah, but it’s more like 4-500,000 now unfortunately so it’s more like 15x the casualties.
No comparison between civilian casualties vs military, no comparison between population. You won’t see children dying in hospitals due to lack of food in Ukraine.
This isn’t to say that Ukraine isn’t “poor”. It is an extremely unequal country thanks to western actions.
If Ukraine is the deciding issue instead of Palestine, I’d still be asking everyone not to vote for Biden seeing as he opposed peace deals and oversaw the attack on Nordstream 2 to make it harder to negotiate.
it’s so so fucking funny that libs will adopt these radical demands like “jail fossil fuel execs” and their plan for achieving them is literally just voote. like bud, the dems aren’t going to jail their donors! that’s not how that works! you’re making a fundamentally revolutionary demand that requires revolutionary conditions to actually happen! you need to abandon your comforting illusions!
This was the realization that made me believe in revolution
Ukraine has ten times the casualties
Just a complete lie. And of course it’s “virtue signalling” to care about the suffering of others.
Honestly the sheer whiplash of going “caring about Palestine is virtue signaling only” and litterally in the same sentence going “Ukraine more important” is just perfect
in real time
If you believe western news sources, Ukraine does have about ten times the casualties. So in fairness I don’t think it’s a bald-faced lie by this guy in particular, more just western governments.
It’s a lie for civilian casualties, not for total casualties.
He’s logic is that I’m supposed to hold the same outrage for a 36 year old man in Azov Battalion as a 6 year old girl in Gaza.
That six year old girl was recruited by Hamas and it’s tragic but what can you do?
What are the casualty counts in the Ru/Nato war? I thought we were well in to the hundreds of thousands dead an injure at this point.
To be fair (and balanced), for casualties as a whole, 10x is an accurate figure if you take western news sources at face value.
In the Russo-Ukrainian war, the amount of disinformation makes this staggeringly hard to know; Adding up the estimates gives ranges somewhere between 150,000 and 1,000,000 deaths. It’s important context to note, though, that these deaths are overwhelmingly military.
In terms of just civilian casualties, Palestinian casualties are 2-3x higher, in less than a quarter of the time, with less then a tenth the population.
Civilian casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian war are very roughly estimated at 30k-50k, out of 37m over two years. Civilian casualties in Palestine are at a minimum of 110k out of 2,300k in 5 months. Even if the IDF’s own numbers are to be believed, that means >90% of casualties are non-militant civilians.
Civilian casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian war
Casualties as in killed by the war? Because the numbers I’ve seen are ~10 thousand, which is comparable to the first month of the war in Iraq
Casualties referes to killed or injured
well if you listen to Ukraine they’ve killed the entire Russian population twice over and only a few dozen of their boys got killed in the process
Funny how libs always defend fascist states, this behavior definitely has no historical precedence.
