Oh what’s this? Allegations by… 35 women?
God dammit.
Yeah. I find that a lot in very disparate genres, too. I pretty much have to look up anyone I like more than a little now.
…oh no. I’ve listened to him for ages. And due to a shitty shuffle I ended up with high listening hours. I remember his first handle and just told myself it was regarding the slang for cigarette. I’ll be going down this rabbit hole, thanks for the heads up
When I found out about the guy from Crystal Castles 10 years after the fact… Yea major bummer. Sucks he’s a POS and the things he’s done, and the cherry on top is now I can’t enjoy their music again.
Alice is still making music, no reason not to support her as far as I know.
Fuck, I remember the news with Alice Glass’ allegations back when they came out, but I wasn’t aware there were others, and they were underage.
Never meet your heros
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I mean, he started out on YouTube with the name “Fa**otron”, that got my alarm bells ringing from the outset.
To be fair, a Fagott is the German/European name for this instrument:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassoon
Though I’d say it is pretty obvious why they named themselves that, and its probably not because they can play that thing.
Very important to note there is one “g” in fagott. The number of "t"s can vary by language, but it’s always one “g”.
I didn’t know that! Also looking up his old handle from another source does indeed confirm that his old handle used just one g.
Still fucking sus though. Especially as he’s a remix artist.
He met the enemy, and it was…him?
Yeah, that one sucks. I really liked what he was doing, but… you know… those crazy South Africans.
Oh, thought you meant those other crazy South Africans.
I knew exactly who you were linking to before I clicked, mans like the new Rick roll fr.
NOOOOOO! God damnit, every time. Why!?
It really comes down to ‘that’s the default setting for most of humanity.’
Here on Lemmy, we like to think we’re all very tolerant, enlightened, liberal minded people. But the outside world really isn’t quite as open minded. And there’s way more backwards troglodytes out there than we like to think.
Troglodytes you say? Hmm… sounds like a case for TROGDOOOOOOORRRR!!!
BURNINATING THE COUNTRYSIDE, BURNINATING THE FASCISTS… AND THEIR MUSHROOM COTTAGES!
Not metal, but Ghost Mice really shocked me. The guy was like “yeah I did that shit, sorry” and was just never seen again.
Is this about Rammstein?
Rammstein isn’t metal it’s NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There’s plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn’t sound anywhere close to Pantera.
And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn’t enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they’re right-wing.
I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.
And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people
It was alleged that. What’s true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney’s conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What’s left is allegations by two women who, as far as I’m aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).
What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it’s good that he’s got pushback over his behaviour, but it’s also not a thing he should be crucified for. He’s not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.
Bonus points for his fans shouting about how he wasn’t convicted so “He was totally cleared of all that, they’re just jealous psychos!”
Because everyone knows sexual assault is notoriously well dealt with.
Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are
potential victims of the same treatment themselvesminors/womenSo if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I’m not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.
True. I have a lot of friends who dated abusers AFTER they abused someone else, and parrotted the “his ex was a psycho and made it all up” line.
Sometimes the ex is a psycho, but like 99% of the time they aren’t.
I mean, if none of the 35 allegations actually go anywhere, I’m not going to assume they actually did something either. Seems sus on all accounts.
Fool me one, shame on you, fool me 35 times shame on… that’s really the stance you want to take? Seems sus alright, but trust and verify is for cold war movies.
If none of the accusations go anywhere then yeah that’s a bit sus on the case of the accusers. I get that those things are hard to prosecute but 35 cases and nothing to show for it? Sus.
If 35 different people say they were sexually assaulted by someone then the chances that all of them are untrue is miniscule.
And somehow none of them having nothing to show for it in court, hmm. I feel like that’s less likely, considering how easy it is to accuse (especially anonymously). I guess it all depends on the what sort of accusations they are and how detailed, if the facts seem plausible etc. If it’s 35 very credible accusations from people speaking out in their own name, uh oh, that sounds pretty bad. If it’s 35 pretty vague seeming accusations on Twitter from anonymous accounts, ehh I’ll definitely wait for something more concrete. And after all in court you’d only need one of them to succeed for all of them to seem credible, but with none of them succeeding, I’m starting to doubt the accusations.
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Me hoping the new YouTuber I found hasn’t tried to chat-up any underage girls.
Challenge: impossible
Lul you’re not kidding. It’s crazy to see how often you hear that happening and it happens with all sorts of youtubers not just weeb and gamers.
I just consume
Pirate music made by fascists. So you could enjoy, and you money will not armed another violent racist militia
Based? Based.
People who listened to Lostprophets in 200X
Oof
I’d argue that the problem with Lost Prophets wasn’t necessarily their political views though…
Yeah, it was entirely the music.
Never happened to me, but I also don’t listen to metal.
I know people are saying it’s a Black Metal issue, but uh… Pantera :(
Yeah Nazis are a problem in pretty much all subcultures. Industrial, punk, goth, and so on. Subcultures attract people who don’t feel like they have a place, and this is the group extremist groups target.
Yeah Nazis are a problem in pretty much all subcultures
I don’t know if I agree with that; well, I agree they’re always a problem, but if you’re a Jazz or Blues fan for example, I imagine there aren’t the same issues we have in Metal.
They get the other side of the coin. Friend of mine has played harmonica for a long time, has played with/been in numerous blues bands. You will find a lot of heavily anti-white, black nationalism. Like the “we need to exterminate all white people for any chance at peace and prosperity” types.
Last I checked, yes here it is:
As an ideology, black nationalism encompasses a diverse range of beliefs which have variously included forms of economic, political and cultural nationalism, or pan-nationalism.[9][7] It often overlaps with, but is distinguished from, similar concepts and movements such as Pan-Africanism, Ethiopianism, the back-to-Africa movement, Afrocentrism, Black Zionism, and Garveyism.[5] Critics of black nationalism say it promotes racial and ethnic nationalism, separatism and black supremacy, and they compare it to white nationalism and white supremacy. However, the Southern Poverty Law Center says that black nationalist groups exist in a “categorically different” environment than white nationalists in the United States.
I’m white, my dad (also white) played blues guitar, and I’ve never run into anything remotely like what you’re describing.
And if it turns out that the SPLC was totally wrong, and ‘Black Nationalism’ takes over and commits genocide on white people, that’s definitely something we’ll be worried about.
Well your experience has been very different. He has been handed literature explaining how the prosperity of the african people can not exist in world with europeans and asians. My friend is not white, might be the difference here. He has run into numerous recruiters for this ideology in a number of different forms. Any form of ethnonationalism is bad. Just because where you live, it is a minority, and therefore isn’t some eminent concern of going third reich, does not make it not bad.
ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?
MOTHERFUCKER!
RE
SPECT
WALK.
After watching a video of a live show where Phil sang Walk with Sieg Heils injected into the lyrics, I wish I could just erase all my memories so that I could forget who he is.
Yeah, I wish you hadn’t told me that, because now it’s ruined for me too.
Sadly, no more will I be talking to Phil Anselmo.
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I would’ve thought Dimebag’s guitar would’ve given it away long before this.
Oh goddammit.
Yeah I can’t even listen to ‘Walk’ anymore, fuck.
Do I even fucking know what metal is anymore? Did I ever??? It was not always like this, not like this. … … right?
Is Sepultura safe?
I’d say yes. According to their German Wikipedia entry, they support Sea Shepherd, environment and wildlife protection, and indigenous people in their fight against deforestation.
Varg supports 90% of that and is also varg (they are probably fine I am just doing comedy)
Varg Vikernes or VARG the German metal band lol
I’d imagine he means Varg Vikernes. He’s like the poster child for this whole problem going in the community, specifically the BM community.
OBG
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Biboca, garagem, favela, porra!
Metal bands are mostly nazis? Is that the news “satanic scare” like we had in the 80’s?
It’s not a majority, but it is a higher risk factor. Especially when Sweden/Finland produce a lot of metal bands and are also a higher risk factor for nazi sympathy - by and large they certainly don’t idealize them but they also aren’t always vilified to the same level as you might expect elsewhere
Nazis are absolutely vilified in Sweden and Finland, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’d say NSBM bands is a lot more prevalent in Eastern Europe and Russia.
It’s also something that’s more related to some genres of music than others. It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica. On the other hand, it’s more overt than the kind of Nazis you find in country music, and they get much more publicized.
Nazi Jazz
Hrm 🤔
There was a whole movie made about how the Nazis weren’t all that into jazz.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108265/
Although they did record some as propaganda to play back at the west over the radio.
The good ol’ American tradition of forcing squaredance onto kids in schools—I was a victim myself from the ‘80s to the mid ‘90s—was borne of the fear and disgust of the black and Jewish roots of jazz, with Hitler idol Henry Ford being a big advocate for it.
Yep, and one of the ways cannabis was demonized in the first half of the 20th century was by associating it with jazz culture, making it very much something that “they” did.
It’s definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica.
For a while, and I assume it continues today, there was/is a synth subgenre called fashwave, a Nazi-adjacent take on vaporwave. I imagine they have a niche elsewhere in the electro scene, and prob. industrial too?
Fascists have no culture of their own except violence, they have to steal everyone else’s.
Well that’s just lovely. I shouldn’t be surprised.
jazz or electronica.
Gabber pretty much inherited all the Nazis Punks threw out of concerts and are, to their credit, also not terribly unlikely to throw them out of concerts. There’s definitely infiltration going on when it comes to Dark Techno. When it comes to Jazz it shouldn’t be too terribly fucking surprising that white supremacists don’t like it. It was outlawed in the Third Reich, though they also produced their own for foreign propaganda purposes.
It was outlawed in the Third Reich, though they also produced their own for foreign propaganda purposes.
Funny, I replied to someone else saying almost the exact same thing, but I couldn’t remember the name of Charlie and his Orchestra. Thanks.
Someone else told me about the electronica thing earlier and I shouldn’t have been surprised.
Yeah, and the aggression in music easily syncs with literal agreccion of the third reich, so it’s a low-hanging fruit if you don’t have other ideas for music and songs. Lemme try:
Panzer death
Panzer death
Blood soaked brothers march
Panzer death
Panzer death
Glory to our patriarchbonus points for samples of machinegun added to drums, lyrics in German, bandmembers photographed in pseudo-nazi uniform, etc.
Some idiots will listen that on repeat in no time
Edit: Listen to Hanzel und Gretel - SS Deathstar Supergalaktik, it covers most of the the cliches
Tried to find hints that SS Deathstar Supergalactic is parody. Found none. Help :(
Not metal generally, but you should look into Black Metal. It’s a real problem there… :-/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Socialist_black_metal_bands
says Death Metal
links Black Metal
That’s why I stay away from these labels. Not against them, but I can’t tell what is what.
It’s generally not that hard, when you listen to metal.
Pfff
When I used to have time to figure that out Metallica and Megadeth were still in their good phase, with 4 albums each. And no internet. There was like heavy metal, death, and eventually Nord or something. And these would cover any bands.
Sounds like trash and speed existed as well in your time. Black perhaps too, not sure if I’m remembering history well.
It certainly existed as a style, but not sure as a name. At least in my circles we didn’t call them that.
Yeah, power and folk are good, anything else is bad. Easy.
/s
Yeah, already corrected it. Morning Rush.
This is a tiny portion of black metal in a sub genre . But it isn’t surprising that an extreme genre with a strong counter culture doesn’t have some extreme spin-offs.
Also you can tell which bands are in NSBM because they are all terrible at actually making music.
Of course there are nazis bands, especially I’m black metal. But that’s a minority, and they generally suck anyway. But I’m not into BM at all personally, so I don’t bother tbh.
Lol, a lot of those names are a little too on the nose. I mean Kristalnacht and Infernall SS? Can’t imagine making a wrong assumption on those
RABM is nice to find non-shitheads.
What’s RABM ?
Red/Anarchist Black Metal. In response to NSBM, National Socialist Black Metal, RABM was formed, it’s an umbrella term for outwardly leftist Black Metal as opposed to outwardly Nazi Black Metal. Marxists and Anarchists describe themselves as RABM if they want to signal their views faster.
Panopticon is a good example.
Sounds like it would attract tankies
I really don’t know what you mean, it’s an explicitly anti-sectarian umbrella of Marxists and Anarchists. Among them are Marxist-Leninists, Anarchists, Orthodox Marxists, even Libertarian Socialists and Market Socialists.
It’s going to attract people under the umbrella of Socialism.
i can remember back in the late 90/early 2000, that the right wingers pushed hard into the goth and metal scene here, looking for new recruits. it definitely felt like a targeted approach, and they did the same with the techno scene before (where they were mostly thrown out). they had more success in the folk scene, but they slowly gained ground over the last years. this sucks :-(
Well, they had plenty of success with skinheads before…
Going back ten years to people trying to explain away Kanye’s BLKKK SKKN HEAD by pointing to the brief moment of time where skinheads weren’t all Nazis is pretty funny now though.
I dunno anything about the Kanye incident, but skinheads started and there continue to be non racist skinheads everywhere. It wasn’t a brief period of time at all.
Sure bro
Lol, sure bro
Ah got it. You’re just a shitty troll
They didn’t realize that most of the metal scene has connection with the punk scene, and the punk scene is full of anarchists and anti-fascists. It’s weird how much success they had with the country music scene.
Who would have thought that country music, which originated in the South, would be so receptive to white nationalism??
Pre-9/11 and Toby Keith a lot of country music was anti-establishment and anti-fascist.
Or even outright anarchist.
Some, but for every Phil Ochs there was a Marty Robbins.
I was gonna say, I don’t think metal has a higher rate of nazis. You look at country and you basically have to accept they’re all MAGAts (another reason to just avoid country). I think most people in metal are pretty progressive, that’s why they’re in metal. Honestly Dero Goi is a great example: he jumped down a conservative rabbit hole and left metal.
If anything, it’s just that the nazis are always a vocal minority and when they’re into metal it’s some confirmation bias for close minded people who don’t like metal.
No, the issue is that metal has a lot of iconography which outright attracts Nazis and the like (e.g. heavy use of crosses, mentions of war and sometimes glorification of ancestry, viking culture, classically western icons like medieval knights and the Crusades, etc).
We have to push really hard against their co-opting of our symbols if we don’t want “Skinheads: Metalic Boogaloo” to become a thing.
they had more success in the folk scene
Who could forget the absolute renaissance of ultra-nationalist country songs that inundated the country after 9/11?
I was practically begging for some Big and Rich just to get people to stop playing that Ted Nugget slop, by the time I was out of college.
I don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist, but one of the weirdest heel-turns ever was seeing actual Latino immigrant Tom Araya go from being the face of the evilest thrash metal band in the world to an outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter.
don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist
outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter
Bruh, what?
No my clothes arent soaking wet, they are just well hydrated.
I don’t think it’s uncommon unfortunately for immigrants who make their money to then move to the right of the political spectrum from a “I got mine” point of view. The right welcomes these new voices because they can point at them and say they aren’t racist, and that there aren’t systemic issues, not recognizing that the individual who was successful was so in spite of the barriers.
My own experience as an immigrant from a country - Portugal - which both is the source of lots of economic emigrants and nowadays takes in lots of economic immigrants, is that unlike the wunderlust kind of migrant (which tends to be open minded and hence to the left of the political spectrum), the economic kind tend to be significantly more to the right.
You can see that for Portugal in both how the traditional center-right (and in the last elections the far-right) gets a higher percentage of votes from emmigrants than they get in Portugal itself and amongst Brasilians (the largest foreign group by far) living in Portugal Bolsonaro got a signiticantly higher vote percentage in the last two elections than he did in Brasil.
I don’t fully understand why it so. My theory is that it’s a mix of the heightened nationalism that one gets when living abroad (worse for economic immigrants who felt forced to leave and miss a lot more all that they grew up with), the way many poor or working class people who never actually seen real wealth up close think they’re “rich” when they make a bit more than their average countryman (same effect as how moderatelly successful shop owners with little formal education with modest background tend to turn into rightwingers) and that economic migrantes tend to be overwhelmingly be the ones with less formal education who feel much more pressure to leave their country due to low income that more highly educated countrymen.
Yea as a Mexican whose lived in multiple states in Mexico patriarchy and conservatism is still very much alive, especially in smaller areas. It’s getting better but it’s still a very religious country. They suffer from much of the same things the US does when it comes with dealing with conservatives. Instead of it being about white power it’s just about patriarchy and religion and good old conservatism. Doesn’t help that a lot of the population is barely literate and many don’t go to or graduate high school. In my experience, graduating high-school is seen like getting an associates degree In the US.
I can’t be expected to research every individual in every band I listen to. That’s hundreds, possibly thousands, of musicians.
Art and artist can be separated. I mean, even this painting shows technical merit?
That’s some nice architectural art, who did that?
For a middleschooler? Sure. For an adult trying to pursue a career as a painter? Nah. IDK if he didn’t draw guide lines with a pencil before painting or what, but that’s pretty bad on an entirely technical level.
Please explain how that could only be good for a middle schooler because that is obviously someone who is extremely good at painting
Not enough to get him into art school.
Damn shame, in hindesight. A bit more mediocre art on the pile could have spared us the implosion of Central Europe.
Do you really believe that without hitler, the fascists wouldn’t have found another leader?
I think he was more talented at galvanizing an audience than Himmler or Goering, and prettier to look at than Goebbels.
In the same way Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis will never draw the same crowds as Trump, The Dolph had that special sauce that congels people around a movement.
I can see a history in which Rosa Luxembourg was the firebrand that ignited a national movement but doesn’t end up invading Poland over some delusional vision of a New Reich.
There’s definitely a timeline where he just paints paintings of government buildings to hang inside those buildings
Hey that’s actually not bad at all
Maybe you should ask yourself why you like a lot of the media Nazis like.
If Hitler enjoyed eating pretzels, am I no longer allowed to enjoy a pretzel without being a Nazi?
What a pants on head stupid take.
Nazis like motorracing they like walking and probably enjoy breathing also…what the fuck is your point
I won’t let nazi fucks take metal away from me
“You know who else was a vegetarian!? That’s right-”
That’s stupid. Metal is fun, and Nazis don’t own it, nor can they take it away from the vast majority of good people who play it and enjoy it. It has a bad rap from Satanic panic era bible-thumpers.
You wanna ban classical music? The OG Nazis loved that shit.
Just research the bands you like.
Reading these comments is making me sweat nervously because I made an 80s-themed submod for a racing game with era-appropriate metal music, and it seems that a decent chunk of the bands I chose for the soundtrack turned out to be fascist or fascist-sympathizing 😓
A few years ago I found this band I liked - then I saw they literally played a concert for the staff at Guantanamo. Man… that was sickening.
