A few years ago I found this band I liked - then I saw they literally played a concert for the staff at Guantanamo. Man… that was sickening.
RABM is nice to find non-shitheads.
What’s RABM ?
Red/Anarchist Black Metal. In response to NSBM, National Socialist Black Metal, RABM was formed, it’s an umbrella term for outwardly leftist Black Metal as opposed to outwardly Nazi Black Metal. Marxists and Anarchists describe themselves as RABM if they want to signal their views faster.
Panopticon is a good example.
Sounds like it would attract tankies
I really don’t know what you mean, it’s an explicitly anti-sectarian umbrella of Marxists and Anarchists. Among them are Marxist-Leninists, Anarchists, Orthodox Marxists, even Libertarian Socialists and Market Socialists.
It’s going to attract people under the umbrella of Socialism.
I offer a solution: Death of the Author.
A good song is a good song, give no fucks about who made it.
That depends on how I’m getting the product. I’d rather not funnel money to nazis if at all possible.
… You pay for music?
🏴☠️
Death of the Author is also about both intent and result. A catchy song about how fascism is cool is not the same as a fascist accidentally making anti-fascist arguments.
context also matters. Sure, I’m normally opposed to a song about how fascism is cool, but if it’s from the OST of some Starship Troopers spinoff or a Warhammer 40k thing, I might be down for some satirical good times. You know, for the lulz of course.
Warhammer hasn’t been a satire in decades, but otherwise sure
According to Games Workshop, it is satire now and always has been.
Uh huh. That’s why the Emperor keeps getting more awesome and right, just being held down by all his pesky traitorous generals and incompetent nobles, all their enemies actually do want to eradicate humanity, and the viewpoint character always sees some of the flaws in the system but don’t you just know it, there’s some Tyranids to fight!
GW has to say it’s satire. They can’t admit it stopped somewhere and became an earnest story, as all satire that goes on for too long tends to do, because admitting that means admitting they make piles of cash from a fascist property.
Like, for real, bro. The “Hope” of the Imperium was the return of Roboute Guilliman, a Roman coded god-king.
He’s gonna Make the Imperium Great Again.
Like how Orson Scott Card somehow wrote excellent science fiction about how blind xenophobia is bad.
I don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist, but one of the weirdest heel-turns ever was seeing actual Latino immigrant Tom Araya go from being the face of the evilest thrash metal band in the world to an outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter.
don’t think he’s an out-and-out white supremacist
outspoken evangelical Catholic MAGA-pilled Trump supporter
Bruh, what?
No my clothes arent soaking wet, they are just well hydrated.
I don’t think it’s uncommon unfortunately for immigrants who make their money to then move to the right of the political spectrum from a “I got mine” point of view. The right welcomes these new voices because they can point at them and say they aren’t racist, and that there aren’t systemic issues, not recognizing that the individual who was successful was so in spite of the barriers.
Yea as a Mexican whose lived in multiple states in Mexico patriarchy and conservatism is still very much alive, especially in smaller areas. It’s getting better but it’s still a very religious country. They suffer from much of the same things the US does when it comes with dealing with conservatives. Instead of it being about white power it’s just about patriarchy and religion and good old conservatism. Doesn’t help that a lot of the population is barely literate and many don’t go to or graduate high school. In my experience, graduating high-school is seen like getting an associates degree In the US.
My own experience as an immigrant from a country - Portugal - which both is the source of lots of economic emigrants and nowadays takes in lots of economic immigrants, is that unlike the wunderlust kind of migrant (which tends to be open minded and hence to the left of the political spectrum), the economic kind tend to be significantly more to the right.
You can see that for Portugal in both how the traditional center-right (and in the last elections the far-right) gets a higher percentage of votes from emmigrants than they get in Portugal itself and amongst Brasilians (the largest foreign group by far) living in Portugal Bolsonaro got a signiticantly higher vote percentage in the last two elections than he did in Brasil.
I don’t fully understand why it so. My theory is that it’s a mix of the heightened nationalism that one gets when living abroad (worse for economic immigrants who felt forced to leave and miss a lot more all that they grew up with), the way many poor or working class people who never actually seen real wealth up close think they’re “rich” when they make a bit more than their average countryman (same effect as how moderatelly successful shop owners with little formal education with modest background tend to turn into rightwingers) and that economic migrantes tend to be overwhelmingly be the ones with less formal education who feel much more pressure to leave their country due to low income that more highly educated countrymen.
Reading these comments is making me sweat nervously because I made an 80s-themed submod for a racing game with era-appropriate metal music, and it seems that a decent chunk of the bands I chose for the soundtrack turned out to be fascist or fascist-sympathizing 😓
This is very much a Slayer moment, except that reading the bands and the members, Hanneman’s Araya’s and King’s wiki pages is quite a rollercoaster
Oh what’s this? Allegations by… 35 women?
God dammit.
Bonus points for his fans shouting about how he wasn’t convicted so “He was totally cleared of all that, they’re just jealous psychos!”
Because everyone knows sexual assault is notoriously well dealt with.
I mean, if none of the 35 allegations actually go anywhere, I’m not going to assume they actually did something either. Seems sus on all accounts.
If 35 different people say they were sexually assaulted by someone then the chances that all of them are untrue is miniscule.
And somehow none of them having nothing to show for it in court, hmm. I feel like that’s less likely, considering how easy it is to accuse (especially anonymously). I guess it all depends on the what sort of accusations they are and how detailed, if the facts seem plausible etc. If it’s 35 very credible accusations from people speaking out in their own name, uh oh, that sounds pretty bad. If it’s 35 pretty vague seeming accusations on Twitter from anonymous accounts, ehh I’ll definitely wait for something more concrete. And after all in court you’d only need one of them to succeed for all of them to seem credible, but with none of them succeeding, I’m starting to doubt the accusations.
Fool me one, shame on you, fool me 35 times shame on… that’s really the stance you want to take? Seems sus alright, but trust and verify is for cold war movies.
If none of the accusations go anywhere then yeah that’s a bit sus on the case of the accusers. I get that those things are hard to prosecute but 35 cases and nothing to show for it? Sus.
Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are
potential victims of the same treatment themselvesminors/womenSo if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I’m not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.
True. I have a lot of friends who dated abusers AFTER they abused someone else, and parrotted the “his ex was a psycho and made it all up” line.
Sometimes the ex is a psycho, but like 99% of the time they aren’t.
Yeah. I find that a lot in very disparate genres, too. I pretty much have to look up anyone I like more than a little now.
…oh no. I’ve listened to him for ages. And due to a shitty shuffle I ended up with high listening hours. I remember his first handle and just told myself it was regarding the slang for cigarette. I’ll be going down this rabbit hole, thanks for the heads up
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Yeah, that one sucks. I really liked what he was doing, but… you know… those crazy South Africans.
I knew exactly who you were linking to before I clicked, mans like the new Rick roll fr.
Oh, thought you meant those other crazy South Africans.
I mean, he started out on YouTube with the name “Fa**otron”, that got my alarm bells ringing from the outset.
To be fair, a Fagott is the German/European name for this instrument:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassoon
Though I’d say it is pretty obvious why they named themselves that, and its probably not because they can play that thing.
I didn’t know that! Also looking up his old handle from another source does indeed confirm that his old handle used just one g.
Still fucking sus though. Especially as he’s a remix artist.
Very important to note there is one “g” in fagott. The number of "t"s can vary by language, but it’s always one “g”.
NOOOOOO! God damnit, every time. Why!?
It really comes down to ‘that’s the default setting for most of humanity.’
Here on Lemmy, we like to think we’re all very tolerant, enlightened, liberal minded people. But the outside world really isn’t quite as open minded. And there’s way more backwards troglodytes out there than we like to think.
Troglodytes you say? Hmm… sounds like a case for TROGDOOOOOOORRRR!!!
BURNINATING THE COUNTRYSIDE, BURNINATING THE FASCISTS… AND THEIR MUSHROOM COTTAGES!
He met the enemy, and it was…him?
When I found out about the guy from Crystal Castles 10 years after the fact… Yea major bummer. Sucks he’s a POS and the things he’s done, and the cherry on top is now I can’t enjoy their music again.
Never meet your heros
Fuck, I remember the news with Alice Glass’ allegations back when they came out, but I wasn’t aware there were others, and they were underage.
Alice is still making music, no reason not to support her as far as I know.
Not metal, but Ghost Mice really shocked me. The guy was like “yeah I did that shit, sorry” and was just never seen again.
Is this about Rammstein?
Rammstein isn’t metal it’s NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There’s plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn’t sound anywhere close to Pantera.
And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn’t enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they’re right-wing.
I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.
And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people
It was alleged that. What’s true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney’s conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What’s left is allegations by two women who, as far as I’m aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).
What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it’s good that he’s got pushback over his behaviour, but it’s also not a thing he should be crucified for. He’s not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.
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…or pedos.
Well, that’s the entire music industry until 1990 right out
Some verified non-nazi metal bands, of various sub genres.
Agriculture https://agriculturemusic.bandcamp.com/
Witch Fever https://www.witchfever.com/
Nuvolascura https://nuvolascura.bandcamp.com/
Genital Shame https://genitalshame.bandcamp.com/album/chronic-illness-wish
When looking for Black Metal, I can recommend the Antifascist Black Metal Network Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtjazZuy6AJ0rRtZ5bligMA
Also there’s Grimestone Records for Black Metal and some other miscellaneous stuff: https://grimestone.bandcamp.com/
the Antifascist Black Metal Network Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtjazZuy6AJ0rRtZ5bligMA
Amazing! Cheers!
Gojira
I like Gojira too!
99% of metal bands aren’t nazi. The only way it’s even kind of likely to find one accidentally is to delve into the depths of black metal, and even then it’s not that common
Unfortunately ot’s a real risk. I myself listened to and liked Moonsorrow and Darkthrone before learning they are problematic.
Fortunately it appears that Summoning is alright.
Dethklok seems pretty safe.
There isn’t all that much out there about Brendon Small though and what I could find he should be a decent enough person…plus I liked Metalocalypse quite a bit, so that helps me 😁
Dunno much about Bryan Beller, Nili Brosh or Gene Hoglan, just saw a few random videos with them so hard to gauge.
Brendon Small made Home Movies. He has to be a decent person. I will be very upset if he isn’t. I may have to go poke him in the eye if he isn’t.
Years ago, Brendan Small did a couple of characters on Comedy Bang Bang who, while being absolutely fucking hilarious and source of some of the top moments on the podcast, were kinda problematic, coming off as ethnic caricature. He quit doing those characters in 2017, for I think pretty obvious reasons, though I’m not sure whether anyone ever called him out on it. I assume it was similar to PFT’s rationale for dropping Ice-T from his own repertoire. In any event, you can take this however you will.
Just listen to cattle decap. The morally superior band. Kidding. They’re pretty great tho, more people should listen to cattle decapitation. Especially the later albums which are more approachable
That’s an interesting take. I love Cattle Decapitation’s old stuff but their newer stuff never really grabbed me.
Either way, to each their own. Cattle Decapitation is amazing either way!
Edit: I didn’t see that you specified “more approachable”. You’re 100% correct in that. It’s 5am here, sorry.
Gojira are environmental and humanist activists to a certain degree. At least in their music that is.
Plus they fucking rock, holy shit.
WHAAAAAAAAAALES
But yeah having a whole song about the Amazon burning that happens to also have some stellar riffs? Yeah I’m on board
Just don’t worry about it. Once upon a time a couple decades ago, we didn’t know anything about musicians’ private lives, other than what was released through their PR managers. It was a happier, simpler time. After years of being disappointed with the people whose work I respect, I finally just started avoiding learning anything about the people themselves. Of course people who are idolized by millions of other people, have unlimited money, and are surrounded by yes men are going to be cringe in one way or another. I don’t want to hear about it, I want to enjoy my music.
This is my take, too. Do I condone their shitbagged-ness? no. I’m not guilty by association for listening to their music, which is practically free to me, unless I identify with their lyrics and stuff.
Once upon a time a couple decades ago, we didn’t know anything about musicians’ private lives
Oh sure. Famously, nobody read tabloids or did muckrack journalism prior to 1990.
And there certainly wasn’t a hotbed of right-wing media focused on outing popular musicians as gay or slandering artists for being minorities or women.
Related question : is OOMPH fascist ? Their song “Europa” really worried me, so I stopped listening. But I only partially understand German, so I could be mistaken ? Can someone tell me ?
To me, Europa was mostly chastising the EU that despite its power, it was unable to be decisive and save refugees and migrants who died, and the situation is killing the EU through the rise of fascism.
I mean:
And came from the outside
They come in droves
But you had no mercy
Dead bodies were floating on the seaI think this is leftist criticism of the EU, if anything.
Listen to their new album, Richter und Henker, it will clear it up.
The titular song “Richter und Henker” is against populist-fascist movements, “Nur ein Mensch” is anti-nationalist, “Ein Kleines bisschen Glück” is anti-capitalist.
They are leftists through and through. Individually you could try and get them wrong, but together it’s clear as day to me.
I mean lyrics like:
People follow the charlatan
Declare others lower than themselves
Eat from the hand
And call that resistanceor
We face each other
In the name of the nation
Brothers kill brothers
War is perversionBlood doesn’t follow a flag
Blood has only one colour
You are exactly like me…
Just like meor even
Wrath is just fear dressed in black
It is the curse of our timesand
We humans out here, how did we want to be?
Who makes our dreams, who plants them in us?
Who lives our life while we merely lead it?
Entangled in the duties that bind us tightPeople must function in the depths of debt
Because what was hard fought for, they don’t want to lose again
Because sweat, blood and tears, they were otherwise for nothing
But what we own also owns usPeople look for a little bit of happiness
But that consumes them piece by piece
Because what you give never comes back
And that slowly sucks us dryEdits: formatting and another verse
Hard to interpret from that song, the lyrics seem more critical of european imperialism and the response to immigration (shooting immigrant boats) than the opposite to me. I can’t find anything about right wing lyrical themes in oomph songs from a quick google in german either, so I wouldn’t worry I guess. Maybe someone knows more.
Europa looks like it’s saying immigration is destroying Europe to me, although my German is not very good at all. However, Oomph apparently fired their original singer in 2021 after he went off the alt-right deep end, and Europa is from the last album before thst happened. I don’t know what the new singer is like at all, but it does suggest that the rest of the band wanted to distance themselves from that
I can’t be expected to research every individual in every band I listen to. That’s hundreds, possibly thousands, of musicians.
Art and artist can be separated. I mean, even this painting shows technical merit?
For a middleschooler? Sure. For an adult trying to pursue a career as a painter? Nah. IDK if he didn’t draw guide lines with a pencil before painting or what, but that’s pretty bad on an entirely technical level.
Please explain how that could only be good for a middle schooler because that is obviously someone who is extremely good at painting
Not enough to get him into art school.
Damn shame, in hindesight. A bit more mediocre art on the pile could have spared us the implosion of Central Europe.
There’s definitely a timeline where he just paints paintings of government buildings to hang inside those buildings
Do you really believe that without hitler, the fascists wouldn’t have found another leader?
I think he was more talented at galvanizing an audience than Himmler or Goering, and prettier to look at than Goebbels.
In the same way Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis will never draw the same crowds as Trump, The Dolph had that special sauce that congels people around a movement.
I can see a history in which Rosa Luxembourg was the firebrand that ignited a national movement but doesn’t end up invading Poland over some delusional vision of a New Reich.
That’s some nice architectural art, who did that?
Hey that’s actually not bad at all
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