Thoughts? I am currently trying to avoid using plastic packed drinks as much as possible due to it’s limited and finite recycle count
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One important thing to keep in mind that is that you cannot “just” make things from aluminium.
One reason the beverage can gets away with using so little alu for so much content is that that it’s pressurized and hence held in shape by its very content. This is why flat drinks have to have the extra air inside it be overpressurized and hence will stil fizz briefly when opened. And the shape of a bottle is not good for being held up by uniform pressure.
We can put non-pressurized things into it when either the content is light (cremes etc) or is in itself rather stable (powders). But even then we use a lot of metal for the container. To truly save, it needs to be something that pressurizes from the inside, which among other things can be inherently unsafe (spray cans come to mind, don’t puncture them).That’s nice but aluminum is not the only option.
There’s tin and glass that could be used for several things.
They could use the Euro Bottle or NRW Bottle refill glass bottles, that a lot of European countries ate using. They’re being refilled 12 times on average.
Aluminum is fine if you’re going to pour your drink into a glass, but despite the plastic inner sleeve you’re still going to taste the metal edge if you sip from the can.
Imo glass bottle is king. Then can, then plastic bottle if I’m in the middle of the Mojave desert having walked for 3 days with absolutely no form of hydration and am literally on the cusp of death. It tastes like shit and is bad for environment; not recyclable. Fuck plastic bottles.
As a klutz, with stupid tile floors I can’t afford to replace, I have come to appreciate plastic cups. Only having to clean up the spilled liquid, not deal with trying to protect kids and cats and my feet and hands as I scramble to get every shard, is worth the flatness of flavor.
Huh guess I like aluminum. I think soda from cans is far better than plastic
I know a lot of people who prefer Pepsi out of a tin. I know I definitely prefer coke (cola) out of a tin.
I think I would agree although I don’t really like cola. The can adds a tang which works with it.
Cans transfer heat better too, so you feel the cold in your hand as you drink.
Money. Plastic is so integrated into the supply chain that divesting from it would require retooling probably thousands of bottling plants, at significant expense, with no guarantee of ROI.
Increase the costs by adding taxes to the plastic that account. Sucks to use the stick instead of the carrot, but if it’s a real societal cost then the cost should be paid by those introducing it. They’d raise prices for these goods and consumers can decide if it’s still worth buying.
Then give a loan to a worker co-op that would like to take over and force THAT sale to happen. That way the everything is equally shared amongst the workers, diffusing the wealth and power into the working class.
Not the vast majority going to some billionaires looking to undermine the very nation they were founded.
You mean, if it gets recycled.
Right, 90%-ish of it never gets recycled at all, and the stuff that does can only go through the process a handful of times before it’s unusable.
EDIT: dude was talking about plastic recycling, i misunderstood the context
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50% of beer and soda cans are recycled
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Why post blatantly false, easily invalidated information?
Me, and I’m pretty sure the guy I was replying to, were both talking about plastic recycling, not aluminum recycling, replying to OP statement: I am currently trying to avoid using plastic packed drinks as much as possible due to it’s limited and finite recycle count.
Sorry, I thought that was clear from the context.
foul: -5 points, extra letter/syllable
in the US, it’s spelled ‘aluminum’
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That’s enough from you, gregorium.
Do you mean in things like plastic water bottles or other beverage containers like plastic bottles containing soda?
Yeah. Beverage bottles
Well when it comes to water I feel like it has a lot to do with corporate events and advertising. If you are in Florida for example and the water tastes like it’s been filtered with dead fish you might be more inclined to grab a bottle.
As for soda I think it has a lot to do with the cost of using glass bottles. People don’t really get them refilled. They just recycle them.
But that’s how it ia supposed to work, you drop them off at the place where you buy new stuff. They get them refilled and restocked.
Yeah but I feel like that died out with cocaine in Coca Cola for the most part at least in the US
If you’re talking about the US, then you have to spell it the way we spell it.
Lol true, Aluminum
I buy distilled water for my daughter’s baby formula bottles. They all come in plastic jugs and I really wish I could just bring a glass jar somewhere to get it refilled. Because I just know all that plastic is leeching into the water.
It’s a shame that glass jars are so uncommon around here. The plastic is so wasteful.
The question of chemicals leeching from plastic into food has been studied and largely solved.
I don’t like cans because the drink gets so hot so fast, it isn’t insulating at all, but in general don’t buy individually packaged anything. Lots of glass bottles of booze and wine, but much less “turnover” that way, a few a month. Water from the tap, fancy water we have a Lifestraw pitcher in the refrigerator (tap water is safe here but the filtered cooled water is delicious). Bring an empty water bottle to concerts, or the sealed liter bottle (whichever is allowed).
So not none, still a few here and there, now and then. But mostly just try to avoid anything packed for individual servings.
FYI; cans are plastic lined.
TIL. Do you know when that started?
Always. We used steel before then because it wouldn’t react with the drink. We always knew aluminum cans would be cheaper, but couldn’t figure out how to protect the flavor and carbonation until Coors figured out how to line it with plastic. He shared the process for free with his competition because he knew a recycling program would scale really well.
That’s not entirely true. In the early days they used wax to line the cans because steel still leaves a taste in the drink. It just didn’t work very well and also caused carbonation issues as the CO2 diffused into the wax.
Wow, multiple TIL on this thread.
Hmm. I wonder if this is true for all the various other acidic canned products. I use cans heavily in my cooking, so this is worrisome. Would the old Shackleton cans be wax-lined?
Glass is an option, or course, which is used in home canning.
It’s true, but the amount of plastic in the cans is pretty negligible, especially compared to plastic bottles and the aluminum can is still by far the most recyclable beverage container.
Also there are new linings that don’t use plastic but natural materials called oleoresinous linings but they’re not good for acidic things so they’re not very wildly used.
he aluminum can is still by far the most recyclable beverage container.
Wouldn’t glass be more recyclable?
My thought is that it’s incredible how enormous the packaged drink market is. Tap water + filter + insulated bottle. Profit.
I understand that not everyone has the luxury of planning ahead but the drink market should be less than half of what it is today. Most people drink bottled drinks because of marketing and subliminal pressures and habits.
There are alternatives to plastic. As stupidly expensive as it is, Liquid Death is water in a can. I’ve also seen water in paper cartons and larger bottles made of glass. Soda is available in cans as well. Teas and juices are available in glass. You may be choosing to drink a particular brand that’s only available in plastic.
You have plenty of choices. You have the choice to drink a particular product out of plastic. You have the choice to not drink that. You may be faced with having to pay a little more or to drink something that’s not your favorite. In an ideal world, more people would spend a little more on their purchases to increase demand for the manufacturing of a product which could bring prices down while decreasing demand and manufacturing of popular packaging.
I’m an Uber driver and I buy so many bottled drinks. My plan is to just get like two or three liter bottles to keep in the car to hydrate me for the day off tap water from home.
Mostly just to save myself money though. Gotta get a buffer built and I’m just barely making it now.
I love that you’ve recognized an opportunity for improvement and established a reasonable solution.
Carbonated drinks are tough but if you’re looking for something other than water, make some iced tea from scratch or from powered form or fruit juice from concentrate - anything you can buy in bulk - to keep in insulated bottles.
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Do you have any sources for this fairly common naturally occurring
biologically important, and in human uses bioinert metal causing “light metal poisoning” from either natural background doses or incidental from human pollution?I don’t want acute poisoning, specifically sources on chronic background doses.
So they disproved the aluminium-alzheimers link? I knew it was Just Fine to make the instant coffee from the water used to boil the meal packets.
Since when is aluminium biologically important? I’m under the impression that humans (and other life?) do not need aluminium at all.
Having said that, my info is that it’s nothing to worry about. It is very common in food (naturally and since forever), and the body can get rid of it, and they haven’t been able to show adverse effects except in very very high doses. That’s the messaging I’ve been seeing anyway.
You’re in fact right, I was hedging a bet that the abundance of aluminum meant it’d be used by some random metabolic processes somewhere, which it probably is, but still none found.
This sounds like one of those Facebook facts…
As others have said, source?
Someone needs to invent amorphous silicon with weak bonds and call it “glasstic”
Aluminum is the fifth most common element on Earth, and is naturally present in pretty large quantities in soil.
Are you sure you aren’t confusing it with lead?
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Remember glass bottles?
