Lets say contentious things about Star Trek! I’ll start!
Pulaski > Crusher
I am so with you on that.
Tuvok alone was worth killing Tuvix for. Resurrecting Neelix was a happy accident.
I loved Neelix, especially when it was revealed that pretty much all of his bowing and scraping and his jealousy could be explained by having extreme PTSD after seeing almost his entire species get wiped out, but it was always clear to me that Ethan Phillips played Neelix with a lot of sadness hidden behind his behavior.
After Kes left, he was also a much better character.
Yeah, I actually love the character, and Ethan’s portrayal.
I’m really just being spicy.
That said, only one half of Tuvix was capable of operating Trek’s famous science-magic-saves-the-ship interface(s).
You misspelled unhappy
If time travel is said to be impossible yet it is so easily achieved in so many story lines in Star Trek than why didn’t they just invent a safe way to travel between periods.
And if there is an eventual temporal war than everything gets destroyed and all life is wiped out in the galaxy. There would have eventually been an extremist group that would have taken the technology to it’s fullest limits and traveled back to a period when the galaxy was very young. They would have severely altered everything to the point of not making any future possible.
It always annoyed me that engineers, scientists and technicians could always find a way to travel back and forth through time “just this once because of this reason” … yet no one takes up the science to recreate the event and bake technology to purposely travel back and forth through time.
I think the shows have actually fielded this issue rather well. Temporal investigations was the start, then the timecops in Voyager and SNW. The Trek timeline is in a constant state of flux to the point that the TOS bridge and the SNW bridge are supposed to be the same place, and the fact that time travel is so easy is a great explanation for how everything in the ‘past’ and future keeps changing on the whims of producers at Paramount.
True and yet, somehow…
How else do you explain Temporal Anomalies steering clear of Janeway (future/present/whenever) getting away with whatever? With exception to that incident with Sarah Silverman.
just as long as we get to kill schopenhauer I’m in
Well, you had me until Nietzsche. If only for the association of his rhetoric with the slog that was “The Brothers Karamazov” by Dostoyevsky. As to the ongoing debate relating to each person’s influence may not be proven, I find it hard not to disassociate such a blathering tale with their mutual misguided ideals.
Picard should puncked Q. Pull a Sisko man, Q will get the message.
i never got where people thinking burnham is a mary sue comes from. the whole concept of her character is that she’s a cowboy loose cannon without the competence to back it up. it’s specifically a subversion of every time our hero breaks the rules and steals The Ship and it ends up being ok because they saved the day or stopped the big war or whatever. the series starts with her trying to do just that, bringing about what she wanted to prevent, and getting arrested for it!
Ahem…
TNG is pretty meh. I grew up with it, I’ve watched every episode at least twice, but now that I’m as old as Patrick Steward was when TNG started, I have a hard time caring about most episodes.
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I think this wins the award. Anyone want to challenge this one?
You have no idea how long I’ve been holding that hot take in.
Where My Heart Will Take Me is actually an amazing theme song.
I really like Prodigy.
I do too! I haven’t seen all of it yet, but the Kobiyashi Maru episode was amazing!
who knew you could beat the KM by going full chaos demon on it?
I’ve only seen a few episodes of TNG, but mine is Q is lame and unenjoyable. Maybe he gets better as the show goes on, but having the first episode involve him was a bad decision.
The love the mythos of Q and I love John de Lancie’s portrayal of it.
And yet I hated every Q episode I ever watched and I’ll never watch them again.
Maybe it just works better as a thought experiment than sci-fi drama. 🤷
Q Civil War on Voy has always been my favorite. Suzie Plakson (and her hair) just overshadow everyone and everything else in that episode.
TNG is one of my favorite shows of all time since I was a kid. I hate Q and Q episodes. And I hate that he is so important to the series.
Au Contraire Mon Captian!
The pilot episode script was for a single episode about Farpoint, the suits decided it should be a 2 parter pretty late in the game. The writers tacked on the Q plot in a bit of a rush. I’m not a fan of the next Qpisode either, that one is just classic season 1 TNG badness, riffing too hard on classic trek before they found their own voice. His appearances get better and better.
Strange New Worlds, the show that should have brought Star Trek back to it’s former glory is horrible and unwatchable. People that behave like teenagers, not professional Starfleet officers. And they made Spock an Emo kid.
Making Sisko the Emissary added a lot of bad habits to Star Trek that went against a lot of the ideals of early Trek. Kirk and Picard were both supposed to be competent humans, but only that far. Sisko led to writers creating those whose paths were dictated by fate, like Archer and Pike.
I tend to agree.
But I have always enjoyed the dual destiny - that time is irrelevant to the wormhole aliens, so Sisko is only destined to become the Emissary because of normal practical human choices that he was going to make anyway.
It’s fun to watch him wrestle with the way he was raised resulting in his actions turning into a kind of pillar of faith for an alien race.
I don’t know anything about Archer (what was his destiny thing?), but I like what they’ve done with Pike. His knowing how he’s going to die (more or less) doesn’t change his competency as a captain, imo, just gives him some pretty good personal issues to grapple with, in a pretty Trekkie way.
Janeway was wrong to kill Tuvix and the ends did not justify the means. We have no idea how Tuvix would have performed long term, but he was generally better than the sum of his parts.
To kill a sentient being, effective in his role and pleading for his life, just so you can feel less sad, is a crime.
This is for hot takes, friend.
If a topic is contentious within the community, doesn’t that mean all takes are hot takes?
Hot take!
The mirror universe sucks. It adds nothing to the franchise, and the episodes that involve it are some of the worst in every series
100% agreed. They should have forgotten about it after the one TOS episode. I like that episode a lot though.
Idunno. What about mirror Ezri and Intendent Kira?
Honestly? Queer representation by characters in a universe where everyone is evil is, in some ways, a step backward.
That shit’s on Berman. Mirror Kira was such a fun character, allowing Nana to chew up the scenery.
Mirror Kira was fun in that sense, but honestly, I don’t feel like the mirror universe stories added much to DS9 and there are other ways she can show her range.
Her episode where she’s supposed to evict a farmer from his land is one of the best examples of both Kira as a character and Nana’s ability as an actor.
I agree that she definitely had opportunities to show range in the character of Kira, but I was thinking of the many ‘alternate version of X character’ Star Trek plots that don’t involve the mirror universe they could have gone with if the goal was ‘this actor plays a totally different character.’ DS9 itself even did that, like with the Benny Russell episodes.
Big agree. I also want the option of having evil, edgy queers who aren’t from the mirror universe, but that would only make sense against a backdrop of more representation in general
My guess is they had fun making these episodes, and that’s why they kept going
I skip every mirror universe episode.
Is it a hot take to say the Shatnerverse mirror universe kicks ass?
I dunno. It does kick ass, though.
Neelix and Kesssssss should have been shot out of a torpedo tube while still conscious before the end of Season 1.
Star Treck Disco was, is, and will always be a hot mess of spare parts boldly going nowhere.
Kes was a gross character whose entire appeal was fetishizing youth. Neelix and Kes was an even grosser relationship.
Kes having feelings for The Doctor put an end to any hope I had for her character.
When they brought Kes back later as the…dementia demon? Idk what to call that but it drove extra nails into the coffin. Using that episode to send Voyager that much closer to the Alpha Quadrant was the icing on the coffin.
Neelix and Kes should have been a father figure/orphaned little sister relationship. Neelix lost his sister in the metreon cascade. Kes lost her father not long before running away to the surface. Both should have played into those roles instead of the weird creepy relationship they went with. They wouldn’t have needed to be shot out of a torpedo tube without Neelix’s incessant jealously over every little thing.
I’m okay with the candle
