Lets say contentious things about Star Trek! I’ll start!
Tuvok alone was worth killing Tuvix for. Resurrecting Neelix was a happy accident.
You misspelled unhappy
I loved Neelix, especially when it was revealed that pretty much all of his bowing and scraping and his jealousy could be explained by having extreme PTSD after seeing almost his entire species get wiped out, but it was always clear to me that Ethan Phillips played Neelix with a lot of sadness hidden behind his behavior.
After Kes left, he was also a much better character.
Yeah, I actually love the character, and Ethan’s portrayal.
I’m really just being spicy.
That said, only one half of Tuvix was capable of operating Trek’s famous science-magic-saves-the-ship interface(s).
The mirror universe sucks. It adds nothing to the franchise, and the episodes that involve it are some of the worst in every series
I skip every mirror universe episode.
Is it a hot take to say the Shatnerverse mirror universe kicks ass?
I dunno. It does kick ass, though.
My guess is they had fun making these episodes, and that’s why they kept going
100% agreed. They should have forgotten about it after the one TOS episode. I like that episode a lot though.
Idunno. What about mirror Ezri and Intendent Kira?
Honestly? Queer representation by characters in a universe where everyone is evil is, in some ways, a step backward.
Big agree. I also want the option of having evil, edgy queers who aren’t from the mirror universe, but that would only make sense against a backdrop of more representation in general
That shit’s on Berman. Mirror Kira was such a fun character, allowing Nana to chew up the scenery.
Mirror Kira was fun in that sense, but honestly, I don’t feel like the mirror universe stories added much to DS9 and there are other ways she can show her range.
Her episode where she’s supposed to evict a farmer from his land is one of the best examples of both Kira as a character and Nana’s ability as an actor.
I agree that she definitely had opportunities to show range in the character of Kira, but I was thinking of the many ‘alternate version of X character’ Star Trek plots that don’t involve the mirror universe they could have gone with if the goal was ‘this actor plays a totally different character.’ DS9 itself even did that, like with the Benny Russell episodes.
Strange New Worlds, the show that should have brought Star Trek back to it’s former glory is horrible and unwatchable. People that behave like teenagers, not professional Starfleet officers. And they made Spock an Emo kid.
Strange New Worlds has painted itself somewhat into a corner by being a prequel.
It’s a great series, but if Spock and Uhura are in trouble, and the only way to save them is for that nice James Kirk fella to sacrifice himself, well, we know that there’s a twist coming.
My bigger issue with SNW Uhura is it’s taking way too long to become the super confident TOS Uhura.
And will we see any of that Uhura before the show’s end? The next season will likely be their last, the way Paramount’s going.
That’s what I’m worried about too.
Are we not counting Musical!Uhura as super confident?
No, because she was under the influence.
I think whoever wrote that episode was doing Ketracel White. Not that I’m complaining.
This is always going to be the problem with series set before canon events and it’s long been an issue I had with them. I know it’s easier to write historical fiction in an established universe and you can dodge some of this by going back far enough (see: ENT); but, it is always going to feel hesitant and a bit uninspired.
I’m okay with the candle
Neelix is the greatest character on Voyager.
I will not tolerate this sort of Neelix slander.
I love Neelix, with his toxic positivity and being a perfect foil for Tuvok. Mostly been looking for an excuse to use that gif.
That’s fair, I’m always amazed about how you come up with the most bonkers GIFs in almost every Star Trek thread.
They’re not mine. I just have a knack for sourcing. Do a gif search for swear trek and enjoy losing a lot of productivity.
It’s only page one … the other 27 pages are in my room
My wife stopped watching with me because she couldn’t stand Neelix as the comedy relief in the early seasons.
Neelix is basically the only character on Voyager, the writing is so wildly inconsistent or not present at all for the human characters other than maybe B’ellanna. The writers so clearly did not give a shit on VOY.
ETA I guess it does become the Seven of Nine show eventually, hardly an improvement, but she is technically a character (mean Data with T&A and PTSD).
Tsundere Data
My 2nd hot take in this comment section: I actually enjoy Star Trek V - The Final Frontier an awful lot. Roasting Marshmelons, singing Row Row Row Your Boat, being one with the horse, killing “God”… What’s not to like?
What’s not to like?
“I know this ship like the back of my hand.” bonk
Making Sisko the Emissary added a lot of bad habits to Star Trek that went against a lot of the ideals of early Trek. Kirk and Picard were both supposed to be competent humans, but only that far. Sisko led to writers creating those whose paths were dictated by fate, like Archer and Pike.
I don’t know anything about Archer (what was his destiny thing?), but I like what they’ve done with Pike. His knowing how he’s going to die (more or less) doesn’t change his competency as a captain, imo, just gives him some pretty good personal issues to grapple with, in a pretty Trekkie way.
I tend to agree.
But I have always enjoyed the dual destiny - that time is irrelevant to the wormhole aliens, so Sisko is only destined to become the Emissary because of normal practical human choices that he was going to make anyway.
It’s fun to watch him wrestle with the way he was raised resulting in his actions turning into a kind of pillar of faith for an alien race.
I really like Prodigy.
I do too! I haven’t seen all of it yet, but the Kobiyashi Maru episode was amazing!
who knew you could beat the KM by going full chaos demon on it?
TNG is pretty meh. I grew up with it, I’ve watched every episode at least twice, but now that I’m as old as Patrick Steward was when TNG started, I have a hard time caring about most episodes.
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I think this wins the award. Anyone want to challenge this one?
You have no idea how long I’ve been holding that hot take in.
Where My Heart Will Take Me is actually an amazing theme song.
Pretty sure that’s been established as the concensus by now.
My contribution is that Harry Kim deserved to stay an ensign. Considering how often his impulse or libido resulted in disaster (or his own death), he would have been kicked out of Starfleet entirely. Lucky for him, they were stranded in the Delta Quadrant and Janeway needed bodies.
I think Harry picks up too many strays. If Voyager wasn’t in the Delta quadrant, he would have gotten happily promoted up to Lt. Commander of some Miranda or California and retired as a mildly interesting officer who never did anything of note (or gets got in the cold open of some other more interesting ship’s episode). In fact, that so many randos who just happened to be on Voyager can hang with the level of bullshit that ship got up to would be a statistical anomaly if it wasn’t 100% certain that some Future Janeway stacked the deck during assignments for that mission to the badlands.
Also, IIRC the few times he was in command, he wasn’t any good at it.
The ship in distress he decided to help. Turns out they were smuggling a cloak prototype to defend against a warring faction. Look at our little Ensign Kim, breaking the Prime Directive for the first time. They grow up so quick.
I skip that episode on rewatches. Way too much second hand embarrassment
I literally just watched that one last week, and had zero memory of it. I don’t think that’s happened w any other voyager ep for me
Pulaski > Crusher
I am so with you on that.
The OG Enterprise, NCC-1701, is ugly as sin, inside and out.
See? Now that is the sort of hot take I’ve been hoping for!
I almost added that Voyager is the prettiest and there’s no contest. Glad I left that part unsaid. :)
Why though? You are absolutely right.
I did not want to detract from the statement that the OG Enterprise is ugly.
Voyager has the best intro song too.
No, for sure. Voyager is such a sleek and beautiful ship. Never was a fan of the saucer design
Outside of the garish stages and costumes (now in fabulous technicolor!), this guy is exhibit A in your case:
Do you not see the tool is his hands? It’s clear (which was a common thing in TOS, transparent aluminium I assume) so it’s easy to miss. If you can’t see the tool it does look kind of ridiculous.
What’s the issue? He’s calibrating the duotronic plasma panel with a magnetic resonance adjuster.
Those uniform medals always bothered me. They look like someone left their pack of Jolly ranchers in the wash and they got hot water welded to the clothing.
Are they licking off the medals of a highly decorated North Korean general?
Demotions can take a while.
Are you saying it should be hauled away as garbage?
I don’t get why the bringe of (at least Picard’s) Enterprise is located at the top of the ship. We often see ships suffering hull-damage, sometimes scraping each other and getting into all kinds of perilous situations. So why put the room with the most important people in such a vulnerable position when you could put it at the heart of the ship? Bridge would be less likely to suffer from hull damage and decompression. Also, why don’t enemy factions just go: Oh that’s the bridge. Jolly good. Aim torpedoes at it, watch their morale crumble to dust alongside the bridge crew and call it a day.
Not just the Enterprise-D. In fact, The Cage starts with a zoom from the outside of the ship into the bridge of the original 1701 at the top.
This may be apocryphal, but gene had originally planned for the bridge and subsequent space battles to reflect those of submarines - playing out entirely within closed rooms and getting feedback from sensors. This didn’t sit well with producers, who wanted windows and for kirk to look out directly at an enemy, hence the viewscreen and placement on top of the saucer section.
