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You know what’s funny? I dream of a form factor like the Nintendo Switch: fully plastic, even the screen, so I could put a high quality glass screen protector like the one I have on the console. The thing is a tank, surviving many falls without a single damage, and I had to swap the protector once in all these years I have it.
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You don’t like paying for a phone that’s the price of a mortgage payment, while having features removed every year?
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The first Android phones were really exciting. I got a Samsung Galaxy (no numbers, no letters, just Galaxy) in 2009. AMOLED screen - the first Android experience for me. Unfortunately Samsung dropped the update support really soon - which got me into custom ROMs - another exciting thing…
When I switched from shitty LCD to nice AMOLED screen. It was Galaxy S3 I think.
Then, meh, I don’t like huge phones without the bezels.
I wish thicker bezels were more common tbh. It’s annoying to swipe from the side of the screen when my case is in the way.
I’ve been saying this for years. Use nice textured recycled plastic. The amount of cool textured and nice feeling materials out there is insane.
Gimme a plastic screen too. If someone is concerned about scratches they can add a glass protector. Those people already do anyway. There are even plastics that could be used that would resist scratches incredibly well.
Then my whole phone is flexible and nearly unbreakable.
Bro just make it yourself you probably have enough plastic in your body for it
I’d give my left nut for a premium plastic phone…
Lumia 800 was the most premium feeling phone I’ve ever had. It also felt indestructible.
I never thought they couldn’t. Glass phones were an absolutely ridiculous idea.
Premium phones make little sense, based on what I’ve seen everyone puts them in cases anyway. “Premium materials” are slippery and “premium thinness” results in insufficient battery capacity so accessories like phone rings get put on them, and people carry around external battery packs.
Why not just make a grippy, practical phone that I can use as a tool, with removable batteries, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and expandable memory?
Stop making sense!!!
Burn the witch!
The only thing premium phones have going for them are really good cameras. I love midrange phones but the photos they produce are not as good as flagships.
I don’t need the audio jack, but I guess it doesn’t hurt. There are phones that have all that, but unfortunately they are at most mid-range phones which isn’t what I’m looking for.
so fairphone?, look it up, it’s a phone maker that do exactly that
Unfortunately, they have minimal support for US frequencies. The US market is dominated by disgustingly expensive flagships, and severely compromised midrange and budget offerings.
Fairphone dropped the 3.5mm jack too :(
Because that phone would last and you would only need a new one every 4-5 or however many years instead of 1-2 so capitalist companies won’t see that as having any value.
I think companies know what people want and how to make a great phone like that, just none of them will or want to be the first.
If it’s ones use and out plastic, I’ll stick with glass and metal. I know someone is about to say they still cause CO2 and they do, but these materials can at least be easily recycled. This means when the rest of the chain becomes green (for lack of a better phrase) then so will this part.
If however it’s using fully reusable and fully recyclable (not just incinerator “recycling”) then sure, absolutely no issue. Fully behind it. I’m willing to bet, however, all of the money in my pocket that that’s not the case here though sadly.
So, over the course of the lifetime of your phone, you’ll have bought and disposed of a couple of 1000x the amount of plastic. This is a really weird take, man.
The lifetime of a plastic phone will likely be longer too, because metal and glass are a shit combination. Plastic phones make repairs easier too.
How is it weird? It’s not just you and me, it’s billions of people world wide.
Also, don’t try to claim you know me or how much plastic I use. I work very hard to not use any unless absolutely necessary, this is one such time.
Honestly, Lemmy has the weirdest takes at times. Aiming for better is not a bad thing to want, I thought given the balance of people here that being less wasteful would be a plus.
I don’t know you, you’re right. But there’s just so many things you can’t buy without plastic wrappers. The one phone (which usually lasts way longer with plastic covers, plus it’s easier to repair. You kinda ignored that argument) is not putting a dent in plastic consumption. Plastic phones is literally aiming for better. “Premium feel” phones are anti-consumer and will generate plastic garbage either way, because you have to slap a cover on it.
I don’t think gorilla glass is recyclable however you could use recycled plastics.
If not now, soon.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66359047
As for recycled plastics, I mean, yes? That’s kind of the goal. Fully recyclable devices is my desire, regardless of material. Right now, plastic isn’t for the vast, vast majority.
I have never once thought that. The fact I have always wrapped my smartphones in an S view style leather case means I could give less than one shit about what the back of my phone has been made of. I watched knuckleheads freeballing their phones, dropping them, cracking the screens, and noped the fuck out of that noise before I even owned my first smart phone. Been doing the leather envelope style case ever since. Knock on wood, never cracked a screen, not tryin to win any beauty contests, just keep my thousand dollar pocket mini computer up and runnin.
When I was younger and more naïve, I used to think a case was useless. I kept my phones in my pocket most of the time, and didn’t feel particularly clumsy or reckless. Then I got a phone that happened to have a glass back, and it broke not because I fumbled it, but because it slid out of my pocket onto time floor while I was sitting down. Glass backs on phones are bullshit.
Ha the exact same thing happened to me. Most expensive phone I ever bought, and it broke first time it was “dropped” slipping out of my pants while I was sitting down. it was such a tiny drop, only half of dropping from a dining table, and probably a third if I was standing with it in my hand.
The effect of the drop being exponential to the height, the about 35-40cm is really a minuscule drop for an everyday tool. Yet it was enough to break the backside glass, which doesn’t even have a purpose, beyond moronic reviewers claiming it FEELS premium.
Well IMO it’s way inferior to high end plastics, that have way better durability, weigh less, is less bulky, and is less slippery. There is simply no comparison, it’s infuriating that Samsung made the Galaxy originally with plastic back, but changed it because ALL reviewers claimed it didn’t feel premium. Completely disregarding it won ALL durability tests against iPhone by far, it wasn’t even a competition.
Fuck idiotic reviewers that scold a feature that is actually hugely beneficial!!! Fuck the Apple way is always better mindset, even when it clearly isn’t.
Yup, I agree 100%. I usually go with a slim case because I follow a few self-imposed rules.
- Phone does not leave pocket when drinking or around people who are drinking.
- I don’t need to take my phone out if I’m visiting friends or family.
- I immediately pocket my phone if I’m moving, even just around the apartment.
I’ve not dropped my phone once since owning my first 12 years ago. I do not care what it’s made of.
Loved my Nokia Lumia phone back in the day. Plastic body and glass screen. Solid af.
I will die on the hill that metal unibody phones felt the most premium. Especially Huawei had a few that had a super smooth surface that almost felt like glass.
Metal unibody degrades usability by shielding magnetic/RF signals. That degrades GPS NFC Bleutooth, wireless charging and probably also compass functionality.
So as I see it, metal bodies are probably not a reasonable option.
They also get dents, they transfer energy from a drop directly to the insides, they transfer heat from the CPU to your hand… Nah thanks. I’ll take plastic.
The issue there is that metal unibody deigns, attenuate RF signal strength. While they can work, it is a tradeoff.
It’s time to stop thinking a phone should be premium
True, too many people treat phones like a status symbol or fast fashion instead of a tool that should be maintained and used for many years.
A tool can also be premium, and there is definitely a difference between an average phone and a premium phone.
The problem is all the nonsense about the premium FEEL, it’s not a feature when it degrades durability, or requires a cover that removes that premium feel anyway. Glass covers are also more slippery, making it more likely to drop out of a pocket or hand bag or even your hands.
Glass is detrimental in every way for usability, just the extra weight of it, makes drops more likely to cause damage. All the reviewers that push “The Premium Feel” without consideration to the downsides, like being slippery, adding weight, being more fragile and making the phone slightly more bulky, should be banned from making reviews..
Absolutely, but I think they feel they have to, to get good reviews.
Yes, I completely agree on the complicity of reviewers parroting the same PR buzzwords in every single review. It definitely feels like they have played their part in normalising many of these objectively bad and anti-consumer design decisions.
It’s time to stop thinking a phone should be premium
too many people treat phones like a status symbol
Honestly just be glad you’re not among those misguided and move on.
Good philosophy. I’ve found that I’m much happier on the internet since I stopped being bothered about other people being “wrong”. I cannot save the world, but if I can help out a few people then that’s enough.
Fuck plastic & the oil industry where it comes from.
I understand what you mean, but I disagree, there are places where it isn’t necessary, needless use of plastic is a problem. But for the back of a phone, it can avoid buying an even bulkier plastic cover, it can extend the lifetime of the phone, in both cases it reduces waste.
Totally agree! I can’t wait to put that granite-cased phone with wood-backed PCBs in my pocket.
I remember seeing people mod the iPhone 4 to replace the glass back with a nice wood back.
Metal and wood can’t be a worse idea than glass. Grippy too. Although without the right treatment it can get gross I guess.
Shhh then it has more planned obsolescence under a veil of greenwash for being biodegradable.
That would be sick
There are plastics that aren’t oil derived. Some of them are even compostable in an industrial setting.
Phone material stopped mattering the moment camera bumps became a thing. Now, nearly everyone slaps a case to balance out the bump.
That said, I miss my completely mirrored-back Sony Xperia Z5 Premium.
I miss phones without camera bumps :(
I can’t think of anything plastic that I’d consider premium, let alone a phone.
EDIT: Wait, Legos.
Which is a problem of perception and marketing, given that in many cases a plastic that has been specifically engineered to perform a function will, unsurprisingly, be better than an alternative.
That’s the thinking the article is arguing against.
But I do have an example.
High end polycarbonate prescription lenses for glasses.
The high index, thinnest, lightest lenses, are plastic. Not glass.Edit: Thinking more, I wonder how much more expensive it would be to use the same polycarbonate material on phones.
It would certainly be stronger and less prone to breaking. With good coatings, it would be just as scratch resistant.
It would offer the same premium look and similar feel as glass. Just lighter.Also Carbon fibre parts and silicone sextoys and cable shielding
None of that is plastic.
How is that not plastic?
Carbon fibre without plastic is just a hairy string
And with silicone I don’t even understand where the confusion is coming from? What else would it be?You sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole and now I’m less sure of what plastic actually is. Epoxy, which is used for carbon fiber among many, many, many other things, isn’t something I’d say is plastic but I looked it up and it was about 50/50 on plastic vs not. I found similar conflicting information about silicone but it was leaning more toward not being a plastic.
What would you define as plastic then?
Or maybe share some source claiming epoxy isn’t plastic?Plastics are a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic materials that use polymers as a main ingredient. - Wikipedia
: a plastic substance specifically : any of numerous organic synthetic or processed materials that are mostly thermoplastic or thermosetting polymers of high molecular weight and that can be made into objects, films, or filaments -Merriam Webster
plastic, polymeric material that has the capability of being molded or shaped, usually by the application of heat and pressure. This property of plasticity, often found in combination with other special properties such as low density, low electrical conductivity, transparency, and toughness, allows plastics to be made into a great variety of products. These include tough and lightweight beverage bottles made of polyethylene terephthalate (PET), flexible garden hoses made of polyvinyl chloride (PVC), insulating food containers made of foamed polystyrene, and shatterproof windows made of polymethyl methacrylate. -Brittanica
Composites like CF and fiberglass use those materials as a stress distributing component and a plastic component as the rigid layer.
Historically fiberglass composites used things like polyester resin - a polymer derived from oil - as the rigid component.
If that’s not a plastic, what is it then?
Metal? Wood? Glass?
Yep, I’m incorrect. Learned something new today.
So your idea of premium is fragile and expensive?
Plastic has superior usability in every way, weight, bulk, durability, shock absorption, less slippery than glass, meaning it doesn’t drop out of pockets handbags or even hands as easily.
So what part about a high end plastic is that isn’t premium in this situation?Utility is for poors. People who don’t count money want something shiny or whatever their peers have. They can easily replace it if it breaks.
