I mean… tankies are to leftists what the Westboro Baptist Church are to Christians.
Russia has messaging for useful idiots on the right and messaging for useful idiots on the left. To the right they’ll say stuff like “America should stay out of foreign wars”, “we should make Ukraine pay for the assistance”, “the price of oil will go up” blah blah. To the left it’s shit like “Ukraine are Nazis”, “America is perpetuating this war”, “NATO are the aggressors” blah blah
The goal either way is to sow division, doubt, demoralise, create instability, create distrust and sap European & US power’s resolve to support Ukraine. And also to devalue information with false, misleading and contradictory information. It’s not hard on social media to see how this shit spreads around with insincere actors pumping false news and misinfo into the feeds that gets picked up by the useful idiots.
I fucking hate tankies
The best possible peace scenario for our beloved world is to deploy Nato missiles on every russian border country ✌️ That worked well in Cuba.
Extremist opinions and people on all ends of the spectrum are dumb and never right. The earlier a person realizes that, the better.
cause a loss for the west is a win for the third world. its not russia that has been couping, invading and generally fucking with most of planet earth.
you can’t fuck us for a couple of centuries then expect us to be on your side, we will take a status quo thats less bad.
Laughs in Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Moldova
laughs in every other country in the planet including mine. the entirety of africa and south america sends its regards.
what russia does pales in comparison. they don’t have that reach.
So that makes it okay
No, no, that’s just Defending Their Historical Interests, or whatever the fuck fascist simps wearing red say nowadays.
its not russia that has been couping, invading and generally fucking with most of planet earth.
lol
lol indeed
The fuck planet are you on?
this one. study your own history, you have been continuously killing brown people nonstop for what? at least 50years now?
And Russia literally teamed up with the Nazis and only fought back because they were stupid enough to get betrayed. Russia has a pretty colorful history if you wanna get down to the nitty gritty of things.
Every time you people equate the Russian Federation with the USSR, you’re telling on yourselves. The government completely changed, the current one destroyed the old one, and the only continuity is the location and the people. So if you equate the two, then it sounds to me what you’re really saying is that Russian skull shape or whatever makes them inherently inclined towards violence regardless what form of government they adopt. Which begs the question, what is your ultimate, you know, final solution for this apparently genetically inferior race?
Wtf are you even fucking on about? Who the fuck even hinted anything related to what you just posted.
How are the USSR’s actions relevant to the Russian Federation?
Wow, reading is hard.
you need to study some history then.
they literally defeated the nazis at great cost to themselves. buy they were socialist back them, different times than today.
Seems it is you that should study history. Russia fought the Nazis only once Hitler turned on them.
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in August 1939. It was publicly a non-aggression treaty, but it included a secret protocol in which eastern European countries were divided into spheres of interest.
From here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
you do realize this treaty failed, because nazis invaded them anyway and the soviet union defeated nazi germany?
understand the context in which you are saying this before equating the soviet union to modern russia.
understand the context in which you are saying this before equating the soviet union to modern russia.
Awfully similar if you ask me. ✔️Dictator then and now. ✔️Russia choosing to invade their neighbors instead of allying with Europe for the common good ✔️ Russia working secretly with their allies to carve up Eastern Europe
If it looks like an orc, and walks like an orc…
I haven’t killed any people.
you have been continuously killing brown people nonstop for what? at least 50years now?
Would be more like 200 something, no? Since the inception of the nation, basically, right? Edit: actually, scratch that, it would be before the nation was even formed, as soon as the colonies were first beginning to be settled. I think before that they were generally too low on the totem pole and too weird as far as strange religious sects to go around and kill people, but I could be wrong.
Congratulations, you have the most brain-dead take on this entire thread.
likewise. look up your own atrocities before accusing others.
You can’t “likewise”, they only called you out, it isn’t even a take.
what else can i say about such an ignorant take?
Ironic.
agreed.
Nice what aboutism. Not like russia did just as many atrocious things, but keep pretending. Just makes you look like a russian troll, not like a “third worlder”
Isn’t that what you’re exactly doing, but now flipping it on me?
nope. i’m happy to announce my country has commited no atrocities outside its own border.
we haven’t imposed our shit on anyone else, and we are slowly healing from it as far as yours will allow it.
nope. i’m happy to announce my country has commited no atrocities outside its own border.
Ha, damn you must be so far up your own ass you believe your countries propaganda.
There isn’t a single country in the world that didn’t commit atrocities at some point in history.
Please tell me I am wrong by stating your country.
Op’s a tankie and I’m not defending him, but I’m pretty sure there’s some countries/cultures that haven’t done anything outside of their own borders. One example that I know of, unless I’m forgetting something, is Romania. Always been on the defense, never the aggressor, afaik. Pretty sure some island nations are the same. Maybe some African ones as well. Some native american and australian as well, I think.
did you even read what i wrote? thanks for teaching me the history of my own country.
maybe do this less and we wouldnt have this problem.
Russia is currently extorting and corrupting African countries. Enjoy it.
not close to the extent europe still is. i will take an improvement, tyvm.
Well, it isn’t an improvement.
Unless you believe Imperialist Russia, which are known all over the world for their propaganda.
hahahahah look up the west’s influence all over the globe. look inside first.
It’s even better - by invading Ukraine to steal their territory and mineral wealth Russia is quite literally behaving as an Imperialist nation, something confirmed by their own Propaganda which talks of Ukraine as something “which was always part of Russia” as well as by their interference in the internal affairs of other ex-Soviet Union nations such as Georgia.
Imperialism isn’t limited to only conquering far away lands, even if that has been the most common form of it in Europe and for the US, and the Soviet Union itself can be considered an Empire, having been formed by Russia conquering other countries whilst maintaining control over several vassal nations.
Communism is just as Imperialist as the rest - it’s only the style of Propaganda justifying the conquest of other countries that differs - which explains why it’s so easy for the “Communists” who are mere parrots of the Soviet or Maoist propaganda (rather than independent thinkers) to side with Russia’s Imperialism.
Russia has been an expansionist force for centuries - long before the October revolution. There’s various explanations for this such as Russia constantly feelings vulnerable due to the vast plains to their west without any natural Geographics barriers. But instead of forging literally any true alliances or building any soft power with the nations in that area they just constantly antagonize all of them. The one country they have on side is Belarus and that’s because they have to constantly prop up its leader against the will of their people. No good will, only force.
The current former Soviet countries in that area have the distinct memory of living under Russian control during the USSR and shockingly - want no part of it again. So they join NATO. Voluntarily. To the tankie if someone wants to join NATO, no matter how rational their reasoning for doing so, it must be because the CIA and “the West” tricked them into it. Smaller countries and the people who live there never have any agency.
After the USSR , western political discourse was full of talk about whether NATO is obsolete. Russia did everything possible to prove that wrong.
Your knowledge of history is pretty shallow. Just talking about the post-USSR, Yeltsin and Putin were literally put in place by the CIA and for two decades did everything they could to appease America and Europe - they wanted to join NATO, they wanted to join the EU, and they were rebuffed. Putin broke with the west only after it became clear that he would never ever be let into “the club” and that the west’s vision of Russia’s future was as a completely de-industrialized gas and mineral exporter and nothing more.
Lol You’re using some creative coloring books
Next your going to say Russia isn’t trying to steal our precious bodily fluids.
Your knowledge of history appears to be…imaginary.
From the historians I’ve read, the thinking is that most preindustrial colonial projects including Russia were vanity projects by rulers with little strategic thinking. As for the USSR it seems the goal was twofold. Spreading Soviet ideology and giving the USSR the resources to be a global player. It seems with the Russian Federation it’s mostly about getting the resources to stay as a global player, but it the whole picture probably will only be clear in hindsight like any historical event.
by invading Ukraine to steal their territory and mineral wealth
ohoho. I advise you to take out of your head the porridge of the propaganda of the American government. It is the United States that is the bloodiest empire in the world, and its manual NATO military unit is the bloodiest military unit in history. And this bloc, among other things, is constantly expanding in order to seize new lands and take away part of their sovereignty from their governments in favor of the US dictatorship
I really hope that was sarcasm…
Poe’s Law is a real bitch, ain’t it?
I have never, ever heard of a leftists defending Russia. You made this up.
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Right? Here in the US it’s the alt right going down on Putin.
That’s because your home instance of lemmy.world isn’t federated with hexbear or lemmygrad.
Show me then. Give me lots of screenshot showing me that leftists defend Putin’s Russia.
I’m pretty sure they mean “tankies”, who often claim to be leftists.
I have never seen someone claim to be leftist while defending Russia. OP made this up.
I don’t believe you.
Neat.
OP isn’t making it up, but they constantly make or repost memes about tankies and are seemingly blowing it out of proportion, as I mentioned in another thread (and was down voted) people are throwing it around way too much on lemmy.
See all the top level comments like “all the tankies coming out of the wood work! Must have struck a nerve!” when in reality there are legit arguments to be had around these things, but no, question Biden or the DNC and you’re clearly just a tankie on russia/china/whatever payroll. Doesn’t matter if it’s a valid point of concern or strategy, fall in line or you’re the enemy. Literally.
“Biden should be doing more to pressure Isreal to stop murdering innocents” TANKIE!! YOU’RE LITERALLY VOTING FOR TRUMP!!
DNC should just be able to dictate elections because they clearly didn’t learn their lesson with Hillary and led directly to a Trump presidency, but no it’s the left and “Bernie Bros” who were wrong.
In Germany, we now have a party that is considered both extreme right and extreme left.
Edit: Now that I think about it, nationalistic socialists ring a bell
Nazis were not left ever. That’s a myth. They use the trappings of leftism, but never did anything leftist. They also attacked the real socialists. They were authoritarian-right.
That’s correct
National socialism is more nationalism than socialism.
Hitler joined the party and was kind of stuck with the name.
Sounds like nazis, not nationalists.
The invention of campism and its consequences have been a disaster for sane leftist discourse (in western europe. somehow it’s not a problem in countries like poland and baltics)
Because Poles know to kick tankies in the teeth if they ever show up.
Huh.
It took me a while to sort out that meme, then it suddenly hit me - I’ve not only succeeded in eliminating the tankies from my Lemmy experience, but have done so so effectively that I started to forget that they even exist.
At this point, the only people I see trying to defend Russia are a handful of angry right-wing morons who have bought in to the propaganda spread by Russia’s assets in the GOP, and they’re few and far between.
my lemmy main has the longest blocklist of any of my fedi accounts. it’s great.
This is damned inspiring. Blocking all these tankie twits.
Everyone I don’t like is a nazi Russian
Not at all.
For instance, I also don’t like petulant techbro libertarians with political views that are warped by their desperate, yearning need to try to compensate for their inferiority complexes.
why you have inferiority complex?
I know you are but what am I?
My god I love this comment section. It’s the first non-pro-USSR interaction I’ve seen on Lemmy
Avoid lemmy.ml if you don’t like pro Russia shit lol.
User block, activate! :-P
instance block, activated! :-p
Upvoting, but I do not admin my own instance, so can only block the instance as a personal user, which means e.g. that they can still mass-downvote me if they so choose. :-(
Also I can still view their comments everywhere, I just don’t receive a notification from them anymore if someone replies directly to me, and I could replace my individual per-community blocks with the one instance one for them all. It is nowhere close to “eliminating” them altogether, even though it does cut down on the aggravation a lot.
But I know what you mean, and yes I would like that! Do you know of any instances that blocks those big 3 Axis powers? I looked last week among all the most popular ones listed at that fediverse explorer site but could not find a single one that does. Even Kbin.social only blocks 2 of the 3 but not lemmy.ml…
Oh, lol. I thought you were talking in generalities on how to block tankies. I wasn’t being specific to you.
I find that blocking the instance does a good enough job for me.
Plus their alts on other instances, b/c knowing that they have been blocked, some users seem to have decided to evade our intentions. “No means no” is a weakness, according to those for whom consent means little (or nothing), so terribly sadly, that many of us would rather choose the bear than that…:-( (/s but you know what I mean:-P)
Ah yes, tankie shitheads coming out of the woodwork so I can tag them. Thanks, OP!
This is fucking accurate. I am concerned by the number of downvotes.
@[email protected] I do wish you’d put leftist in quotes, these type of ppl aren’t it. If anyone is ‘leftist’ but supports fascism, they aren’t leftist. Lol
Hey Russia and China both really care about human rights, it’s just the west’s propaganda that makes them look bad.
If you want a truly fascist corporate dictatorship look into the US or Canada.
God, I had to stop a moment and check your username.
I had to do the same lmao. The sad part is that it’s actually believable given the usual chuckeheads on here.
Werd, yo.
