What are the distros that would align with these categories?
Cool, more free stuff:
Not again!
Ooh, only Ubuntu pro:
- Ubuntu
I don’t think the first two are distro specific, more a question of mindset. Unless there are distros that force update your system like some other OSs, which could cause the second picture to happen more often.
On fedora atomic all updates are automatic. I don’t even see that they happen. They just happen in the background. I love it.
How are you getting it to do that? Fedora wants to reboot every day for me, even for the simplest update.
Fedora atomic, e.g. silverblue, not traditional fedora. It still wants to reboot after each update but I don’t see it and when I reboot, it boots into the update.
If Fedora plays nice this time around, I’m seriously considering Kinninte and Atomic Budgie for 41. (But Fedora always ends badly for me)
Neat! I was just thinking, if it starts updating the kernel as you turn it off, you’d have to wait a minute for it to finish. M$ style. Has that never happened?
No. That’s not how it works. It installs a new image alongside the current one and once you boot again it simply boots into the new image. Never ever wait for an update again.
Oh right, atomic distros work differently, didn’t think about that! That is convenient!
Very convenient because if something happens where the update breaks something, you can just boot the previous image.
Does it give you a choice at startup, similar to the Grub menu, or do you have to do something to bring the option up?
They’re also very stable do to the image-based VCS.
The first could be any decent distro like Debian, Fedora, Mint.
The second would probably be rolling release because of the amount of packages lmao.
- Arch
- Arch
- Ubuntu Pro
1st: Fedora
2nd: ArchDebian would be: “nothing changed!” (with a sad or happy guy depending on use case)
If you’re on Arch, then you want those tasty hourly updates om nom nom
source: I use Arch btw
All I wanna do is sudo pacman -Syu
paru -Syu, you don’t want to forget your AUR packages, right?You can do the same with just
paru. No flags necessary.Or save yourself a character and just
yayI’ll even add some characters and use pikaur
Heathen, using any software not written in rust is sacrilege
I like to be a bit more explicit than necessary.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Unless you’re trying to get a movie or game to get a teen-friendly rating, in which case you might not want to make the sex scenes quite as explicit.
I have seen horrors beyond comprehension because i tried updating aur packages
Well, it’s easy enough if you only use precompiled packages. Beyond that you should probably have a better understanding of what you are doing.
Oh no i know what im doing. I just had dependency hell way to often with aur packages so i just dont update them anymore unless i need to do so
Not being able to Syu every 5 minutes and only being able to update once a day was the biggest challenge when I changed to NixOS
With Debian it’s more like “cool, everything still works as expected.”
Source: I don’t use Arch btw.
Your arch system would probably have updates unless you just updated within the last few minutes. Being suprised seems a bit unnecessary.
I sometimes update out of habit almost immediately after I updated. That’s always a little disappointing.
Oh god, me too. It’s a Pavlovian response!
And then you actually have a new update available… Happens to me to often
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Finally, a use for the
* * * * * *cron expression!
I was thinking that the user intentionally chose their distro, because of the Ubuntu character.
Cool, more free stuff
Arch, you want more free stuff faster
Not again!
Debian, you want to set and forget, so any updates that do come up are still a nuisance
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I thought I had a virus when I got a pop-up about Ubuntu pro. I thought all linux was free and there’s no way I’d be getting ass for features I don’t have
Ubuntu pro is completely free for non-commercial users tho
no way I’d be getting ass for features I don’t have
Not with that attitude
Dude, you chose the wrong way.
What does Ubuntu Pro get you besides extended support after the normal OS EOL?
Kernel live patch, security updates for packages that canonical doesn’t own/maintain, and access to certain configurations/options like fips
Extended compliance support. Enterprise level needs require a lot of paperwork just to make sure you are in legal compliance with all rules and regulations. The paperwork alone can be a very heavy costly burden on the IT department.
Any distro wanting to be serious in the enterprise space needs to offer support for that. And businesses will pay for it because it’s cheaper than having a large staff only dedicated to it. It’s part of how Ubuntu can offer you the free stuff and remain a top used distro for the masses. RedHat does the same. RedHat just rebrands the free stuff as Fedora. At least Ubuntu doesn’t hide behind a different brand name when offering sercives they charge for.
…Debian. The free stuff is called Debian.
It’s also called ‘the old free stuff’. If free matters that much, you could run Slack or better yet LFS.
Ubuntu is literally Debian with an upstream Kernel. Ubuntu is charging for Debian’s labor.
Only if you want enterprise solutions. RedHat does the same. So does Suse. A business should pay for enterprise level supports and solutions don’t you think?
Access to “real time” kernel which is useful for drones etc.
I’m an annoyed fedora user and it seems every day there’s an update that requires reboot to install. I want the latest patches to keep the system secure, but this is annoying, and I use 2 laptops.
I disabled it on day 2 in fedora KDE spin
sudo dnf up
Works for me.
Sorry, that will forever be Did Not Finish for me. 😣
Speedcubing or racing games? That’s where I know that term from
You need to “sudo dnf clean all” first to make sure you get the freshest index!
You can do that, but it is not necessary.
It’s not necessary but you’ll get updates quicker. And I’m a chronic updater, even pick and choose stuff from updates-testing.
I recommend “dnf automatic” to fetch the latest package index in background
Thanks, i might start using that so i can continue work while it’s installing. Even if I’m going to reboot later, i won’t have to wait for it to install before using the system.
While that works, it sometimes might break things: https://fedoramagazine.org/offline-updates-and-fedora-35/
Crashes are just the system telling me to restart. As god intended.
Except if you ran the update from within a graphical session and your session crashed, as this will kill DNF, making the update incomplete and potentially corrupting files. I recommend you either:
- use the graphical updaters
- run dnf from a TTY
- or use some of the atomic spins, having atomic updates on btrfs subvolumes
Switched to nix in the meantime.
You can change that in system settings on KDE
System settings -> Software Update -> Apply system updates immediately
Not sure if it’s the same on GNOME
No, there is not. Updating through terminal still bypasses it and I don’t mind so much seeing how my mother might accidentally power it off in the middle an important update otherwise. Most people know not to hit the power button when the scary load bar pops up with a message saying please do not power off system.
Yeah, I’m using Fedora KDE and Budgie on a laptop and mini-desktop. There were a boatload of updates over the weekend. I understand the safety of doing a reboot to be up to date, but it does give me flashbacks to Wondows.
But, you can use sudo dnf upgrade and only need to reboot when you want to. Updating through Discover tends to make you reboot a lot.
For those who don’t remember the original of this was an ancient meme:
Edit:
Just how old this meme is: OSX 10.9 mavericks was the first free mac update, it was released in 2013. The meme should be created before that. Iirc Windows 7 was the first win with forced and annoying updates, it was released in 2009. So this meme should be from that era, 11-15 years old.
Edit2:
I found the original post, my calculations were correct, this is from 2011: https://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/
The comments on the original post are… interesting…
Wow a real life ROFLCOPTER…
Oh yep, and someone calling them a loser for saying it. Classic.
DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
Just kidding. I suck cocks too! :D
You’re right, I suck cock and I love it. I have never felt so understood until now. Disregard my prior comments. Go
Windows!
How I miss bash.org
i’m surprised there’s not a single slur in there
I tried to install Win 10 in a VM recently and it spend hours updating after installing from the ISO. Also you have to turn off the internet to not create a Microsoft account? What a pain it is now.
You need to update your ISO.
There are newer releases, obviously if you download an older build of windows, you have to download and install each updates manually. It’s not a win only thing, it’s the same with every os, e.g. download Ubuntu 16.10, it will take a while to upgrade to the current version. Windows 10 was released in 2015, I don’t know which release you downloaded.
About the account, the answer is OOBE\BYPASSNRO
I use linux and I’m in the Not Again boat. Seems like everytime I update, something goes wrong
Use debian oldstable, usually 1-2 security updates each months, nothing else. If you need a newer app, install it as flatpak, they can’t bork your system.
Stable is already ancient enough, but willingly running oldstable? I hope you’ve got a shovel ready
I was totally in the same boat just a decade ago.
what are you using?
Arch. Just updated a few days ago, got some java conflict stuff. Jdm jre or some kind of error. Had to read what people online did to fix that.
Edit: lmao why am I being downvoted?
If you want rolling release, but still a stable distro, just go with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, it’s a rolling release with snapshots that you can go back to if something breaks. IIRC they also have a special app verification thingy that’s supposed to be more stable than Arch’s.
You’re probably being downvoted because you say “Not Again” to updates while using a rolling release distro. Like ordering a daily newspaper, then getting annoyed at getting a new issue every day.
Just because I use rolling doesn’t mean I am mandated to update every minute of my life. There are times when I’m genuinely excited for an update like for example when KDE does something new. Pretty much everything else is just little tweaks and bug fixes that will most likely result in me reading docs and figuring out what went wrong.
You’re not mandated to update often but its encouraged.
It can be a lot easier, for example, to fix one small break three times than it is to fix 3 breaks at one time.
Sure, but the common consensus seems to be that you shouldn’t be annoyed at the constant updates when that’s an explicit feature of that system. Maybe that’s just a misreading, but I assume the expected reaction would be “Not now” rather than “Not again”.
(I’m not taking a position, as I’ve never worked with a rolling distro and can’t really comment on either stance, just trying to navigate the confusion here)
My reaction is more of “not now”. Not again might happen when something breaks. So every update is a little gamble for me.
Are you talking about the major java/jre repackaging issue, that was announced (proposed update procedure included) on the archlinux news-page, that you are supposed to check before an update?
If so, then you can’t really blame the distro, if you don’t follow basic best practice guidelines.
And then you’d also be pretty late to that update and should run updates more frequently. Once a week to at least once a month is a good idea. That’s the idea of a kinda bleeding edge, rolling release distro.Maybe because the jre thing was an update that required manual intervention, there was an Arch news item about it. You’re expected to read the Arch news before an update when you’re running Arch. This can be automated with
alias update='yay -Pw && pacman -syu'If that’s too much for you, use a different distro.I just went “Shiit! Am I sitting on potential system breakage?” (because I don’t remember doing any such intervention)
But turns out it was just a conflicts with change.From what I know,
pacmanstraight-up asks you what you want, in these cases. Sure, it’s technically manual intervention, but for me, who scans over updated packages every-time, this is considered standard procedure.Manual intervention is when GRUB doesn’t install properly using the suggested command and you have to learn where your distro places the boot image and configure stuff accordingly.
Also, I don’t have JDK so…
To make it even more convenient, register to their mailing list and you get a heads up.
My ADHD and 1297 unread emails make that a bad idea.
With the alias, the news pop up in front of me right when they’re relevant.Those are rookie numbers son, you gotta get on that.
Why can’t it print into as part of the update? Why is it a separate command?
It’s the KISS philosophy. The package manager is for managing packages, not for reading mail
I’ve seen this a few times with various distributions. People always say stuff about checking news files or whatever their distros call them. I have no idea what those are or where to find them. It would seem extremely prudent for the update tool to print relevant information.
Brew does this. (I am not using Brew as an example of a perfect package management tool.) It also has “caveats” that get printed for some packages. It seems much more useful this way.
Printing the entire change log is overkill, but at least breaking changes and such would be extremely useful.
Arch is great when you’re somewhat experienced with Linux. Otherwise I recommend an Arch + QoL distro like EndeavourOS.
I’m a developer using Linux for well over a decade and a half and I use EndeavourOS because it just adds a level of ease.
It’s fine though, I know what I signed up for. I used Ubuntu for a year before moving over to Arch and and I quite like it. Everytime I decide to update though, I try to do so when I am not busy during school, and prepare for the worse when I do plan to update.
If you want reliable updates Arch isn’t the best fit IMO.
It can be perfectly reliable for sure, but it’s permitted not to be.
If you really want to update and not worry about it, I would consider Fedora, they test updates and upgrades while also being very close to bleeding edge.
Well yeah, rolling release distros inherently require more fixing because you get all of the software as it is patched with far less testing for conflicts. If you want something you have to fix less get a stable release
Which is kinda why I like waiting a little but that doesn’t really matter because it’s always rolling. Guess I’m just delaying having to fix my system. So I update whenever I’m not busy with my life.
Lol switch from arch if you like waiting a little
Nah it’s fine. I like to get the latest kde updates.
Yeah, I’m just saying with Arch the tweaking is a feature, not a bug. You can get the same UI with something far more plug and play using something like Debian Stable or even Mint if you like Cinnamon. I’m an openSUSE stan myself but thats just because I like to experiment, break things, and then roll my system back.
Well, now they just make you throw out the old Mac hardware and buy new for $1299 (8gb RAM lol) because it’s now out of support for the latest MacOS and the newest versions of Adobe Suite/MS Office/insert productivity work related proprietary software suite here is on board with Apple’s bullshit and won’t run on older MacOS versions.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Make all the mistakes you want to. There’s a lesson under every leaf in this world.
I’ve started to become 2) for some stupid reason.
I use btrfs snapshots to backup my system, and it has the side cost of needing a bit extra space. This is absolutely fine.
What is not fine however is free desktop/Nvidia flatpaks update. I get 10gb every week, and it keeps filling my disk with this stupid crap.
Not only that I am both a rust programmer and blender artist, and it’s the trinity of non deduped disk space filler
Maybe it is a Nvidia thing
yay! :)
(probably the most downvoted post i’ve made yet on lemmy 😂)
Ubuntu pro is free to enable btw
unless you’re using ub server for commercial purposes, then you’re breaking the agreementWhat? How?
sudo pacman -SyuCool, more free stuff! Fresh as a morning breeze.Running rm -rf / afterwards because of minimalism
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Tee hee
When will AI pick this up as advice?
$ nixos-rebuild switch --use-remote-sudo --flake ~/dotfiles#desktop
😎😎😎
Isn’t the --remote-host missing here? (Since you’re using --remote-sudo?)
Hm, I want to pull the trigger on nixos
I’d be willing to help you get started.
If you’re not using a standard DE (Gnome, KDE,…) but rather something like i3, Hyprland,… then I highly recommend starting with home-manager on whatever distro you’re currently on. Once you’re happy with that setup, it’s really easy to add the “rest of the system” without risking a giant headache because your desktop still needs to be configured
Fedora/Arch/Ubuntu
Obviously you’ve never used Arch btw. We live for the
sudo pacman -Syu.You could also live for
yay -SyuOr just
yay
there is something very satisfying about running pacman -Syu at the end of the day and watching it update the repos, give you a neat list of packages to be upgraded, then see them downloading over all your threads with that little chomp chomp pacman animation, disappearing one by one, or a bunch at once, and then at the end it runs the hooks and you see that [1/23] fill up all the way to [23/23] in the span of a minute…
It’s like popping bubble wrap, but you have 8 hands and 8 bubble sheets and never try to pop the tame bubble twice
I’ll sometimes even run pacman -Syu right after updating. It works surprisingly often.
Im in the middle, 4 times a day 😂 what distro?
Btw
Ohh 🤣 yea, i meant the one on the left bot middle 🙈
Updating my Linux is my main task on my Linux 😜 guess I have to look into kernel development
