I have a few:

  • Chosen ones, fate, destiny, &c. When you get down to it, a story with these themes is one where a single person or handful of people is ontologically, cosmically better and more important than everyone else. It’s eerily similar to that right-wing meme about how “most people are just NPCs” (though I disliked the trope before that meme ever took off).
  • Way too much importance being given to bloodlines by the narrative (note, this is different from them being given importance by characters or societies in the story).
  • All of the good characters are handsome and beautiful, while all of the evil characters are ugly and disfigured (with the possible exception of a femme fatale or two).
  • Races that are inherently, unchangeably evil down to the last individual regardless of upbringing, society, or material circumstances.
    • Findom_DeLuise [she/her, they/them]
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      Ingrained in society thanks to Divine Right of Kings brainworms and subsequent political dynasty worship. See: the Kennedy family, the Bushes, the Clintons, et al. Media has been grooming us for this shit for a century.

      • spacecorps_writer [he/him]
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        91 year ago

        I think it also has something to do with the bourgeoisie wanting an escape from bourgeois problems. This is one reason why stories like Game of Thrones or even Dune (space feudalism) are so popular. Capitalist class struggle infuriates the bourgeoisie, since they are so obviously the bad guys, which means that they prefer to escape to simpler times, when the bourgeoisie was the underdog, and the evil, petty, but entertaining feudal ruling class was running things.

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    The tacit acceptance of monarchism and aristocracy as normal and legitimate things. Even when there’s intrigue like “oh no, the bad scheming sneaky nobles are doing a heckin scheme against the good and pure and charitable main character friendly nobles, we must make sure the good landed gentry come out on top!” it’s just treated as drama within an inherently legitimate system.

    Childish ontologies of good and evil where the good guys are rightful property owners who are nice and good and the villains are disruptive cartoon villains who squabble and betray and do silly cartoon villain things. Further, in that framework the villains are always either barbarous underdogs scheming to take power from the legitimate powerful land owners, or are some sort of fever dream expy of aUtHoRitArIaNiSm that’s either styled as Napoleonic liberal meritocracy as seen by British monarchists or some absurd caricature of the Soviets/China.

    • The tacit acceptance of monarchism and aristocracy as normal and legitimate things

      Something that I thought dealt with this well was The Magicians.

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      After becoming kings and queens of legally-distinct Narnia the protagonists decide “Hey this is real fucking weird” and decide to hold elections, at which point the high king is booted back to Earth because the creature that created legally-distinct Narnia is insane and made it a fundamental law of the universe that the rulers must be from Earth.

  • TheSpectreOfGay [he/him, she/her]
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    301 year ago

    Giving nobles magic powers. Especially when people born as commoners get elevated in class due to having magic ability or something. Endorsing the ruling class as being better than everyone else inherently and therefore having a right to rule over them sucks and reinforces meritocratic ideas in the reader.

    • Outdoor_Catgirl [she/her, they/them]
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      51 year ago

      I mean, if there was a group of people who were superhuman, they’d probably become the ruling class. If the wizardgoisie could just conjure food from thin air, what’s the need for a peasantry? If they can create magical automata and golems to do their manual labor, what’s the need for a proletariat? Essentially, an upper class with magic could do atlas shrugged and have it actually work instead of instantly fail because there’s no one there to do labor.

    • Nama [he/him]
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      Possible exception is, when the magic isn’t inherent but the nobles hoard the recources neccessary to perfofm it.

  • Pisha [she/her, they/them]
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    Any representation of feudal ruling classes. Maybe I’m overdoing it with the class hatred a bit, but I can’t watch nobles cavorting around and not feel an instinctive revulsion. It’s even worse when, in fantasy, we’re required to care about the machinations of court intrigues as if that’s a real form of politics. One thing I do like about many standard fantasy settings, like that of Pathfinder, therefore is that they usually have a modern conception of class and an abundance of republics; especially the whole idea of adventurers as individuals outside of society but still integral to it has a lot of potential I feel. Basically, I just don’t want any more fantasy stories about good kings and evil kings.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      181 year ago

      One of the things l like about wuxia is that the good guys are mostly doctors, monks, cops, and random dorks and if there are any nobles they’re usually bad guys. And the good guy cop is often an anti-corruption cop going after corrupt government officials or corrupt cops or corrupt nobles.

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      I have derailed a few DnD sessions by refusing to save nobility. Like nah, fuckem. I’ll trade a prince to an evil god for spider powers too. Where do I sign?

      • @[email protected]
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        One of the reasons I left my old DND group. Everyone else was happy to play out a “put the baby boy on the throne currently occupied by the adult woman” plot without batting an eye. I’m like, first off monarchy is awful and second off why are you trying to make us support literal patriarchy?

        I don’t think anyone literally said “why are you making this political?” but that was the energy I was reading.

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          91 year ago

          Have one super negative trait and every session ends with an “oopsie” critical failure when you go to shake hands with the rescued king.

      • Pisha [she/her, they/them]
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        Exactly! I think part of it is a, in my view, mistaken historical realism where authors think fantasy should be based on the middle ages when, in reality, the better part of our modern fantasy genre derives from post-1600 literature. Like, the rise of the bourgeoisie and decline of feudalism is the primary social context for all of this, I think.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          131 year ago

          Word. PAthfinder is starting to lean in to this and moving the fantasy pasiche forward with settings that explicitly deal with colonialisms is reasonably non-crnge ways, a french revolutioon adventure country, magic gunslingers, robot land, and similar stuff.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      Court intrigue is a real form of politics though. We can still see it today. Staff members selectively leaking material to the media, parties “strategically” donating to their enemies, Watergate, COINTELPRO, lobbying, sex clubs, Biden not trusting his own security, intelligence agencies, oppo research and cyber warfare, and so on

      They’re small parts of politics, but legitimate nonetheless. It usually only happens within the realm of power and not normal people. But even office gossip with the hopes of someone getting fired is intrigue for the civilian.

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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    111 year ago

    For fantasy, most of the central, important characters come from royalty or aristocrats in high positions. Or, they’re peasants who manage to climb up to self made royalty to rule benevolently. This isn’t even just because it’s my politics. I just find it annoying

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    121 year ago

    The chosen one trope hands down all the time. I would love to get through Wheel of Time but I cannot stand chosen

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    Rand and everyone around him is

    That series I have put down so many times. Having a “hero” protagonist that is essentially unkillable (because they are the title character) I don’t mind, Conan for example. We all know Conan won’t die because there is always another story about him. But he is not fated for anything, no grand destiny he has to achieve or the cosmos suffers.

    Second is also another that has been touched upon - the goodness of divine authority. Especially if it is light flavored. And nobles divine right to rule set as a standard of good etc. Give me stories of folks fecking up the system and creating their own anarchistic communities while continuing to feck up the system.

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    In sci-fi no one ever acknowledges that strapping a faster-than-light engine to an asteroid would be a very simple and effective weapon for destroying planets. I guess this is an anti-trope since it’s never used, but that seems like the logical use for warp drives in sci-fi. It’s an easy analogy for mutually assured destruction

    • Findom_DeLuise [she/her, they/them]
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      81 year ago

      Stargate SG-1 did something similar. It was a wormhole having subtle effects on an asteroid’s trajectory that just happened to aim it at a planet, but the asteroid was initially put in the path of said wormhole by the Big Bad. This is followed by Bombs Not Food trying to save the day, failing, and the in-universe version of deus ex machina.

    • booty [he/him]
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      Any time it’s not super well explained, I just always assume FTL engines are utilizing some method of spacial distortion rather than actually accelerating an object to such speeds. Like I kind of feel like if you plot a course and there’s a planet in between you and your target coordinate you’ll just most likely go “through” it via kinda going around it through spacial fuckery

      • iridaniotter [she/her]
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        51 year ago

        If you’re warping spacetime that’s a shit ton of energy you’re manipulating, which has a lot of Implications about how deadly the average person in the setting is, so it’s better to just ignore it and continue with your space opera.

      • StalinStan [none/use name]
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        71 year ago

        If we can only accelerate mass to relativistic speed by removing the effective mass. To get a Atsterorid up to C it would have to be effectively masless. To make a warp speed projectile would have to involve some crazy math so the tidal forces don’t just shear it appart. Like the hyperfast low mass atoms hitting the decelerating atoms at the front of the object.

        In enders game the AI would feather the FTL drives so that ships effectively stopped instantly as mass returned regular physics decelerated the object down to speeds available to regular physics. Which is a little handwavy but not actually that bad

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        Realistically (I know that word means nothing here), if FTL were possible and utilised by a galactic society, it would have to be the type you’re talking about.

        Space is mostly empty, sure, but there is enough shit out there to be a problem if something hit it at light speed.

        Imagine hitting the FTL button, the stars stretch around you, and then you appear at the other end to find a graveyard of spaceships around a dead planet.

        Then the emergency lights start up, and then you realise half of your ship has been hit with the astronomical equivalent of buckshot. Your ship passed through screws and bolts; parts of Elon’s fucking Testla from five thousand years ago.

        Fuck you Elon.

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        Using an slipspace FTL engine to “warp” giant rocks a mile above a city would be a terrifying weapon.

        Zero defense. No warning.

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      In practical terms there’s very little reason to destroy an entire planet. It’s complete overkill. You can decimate the population of a planet but things like farmland and living biospheres are in short supply in the cosmos, sublight asteroid drops do the job just fine and you can just wait for the dust to settle and sift through the ruins for valuables

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      There are stories that use it. The term “relativistic kill vehicle” gets used sometimes. Spin a rock up to a good fraction of c then delete a whole planet. Really depends on what the writer wants to do, though. Three Body Problem is the most recent famous example of “ftl big gun.” Thing. Star wars has done it a bunch of times. One of the old comics had a star destroyer that fired planet cracker torpedoes through hyperspace. The ancient Lensman series has had every kind of variation of “strap ftl drive to object” you could imagine.wh40k orks hollow out asteroids, fit them with warp drives, then fire them at the next star system they want to invade. They crash the entire asteroid, or moon, in to the target planet as their invasion ship.

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      I recommend an obscure, fun, bonkers SF novel called The Killing Star, which features accelerating metal slugs to 90% c before flinging them into planets. There’s also a chapter that takes place on the Titanic. And TNG makes an appearance toward the end. Supposedly the ships in this novel inspired the interstellar vehicles we see in the Avatar movies. There’s also an earlier book in this series which features wooden spaceships piloted by kangaroos (though it’s all hard SF, I assure you!).

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      Somewhat similar concept on a TNG episode New Ground, they test a new warp magic device that creates a warp wave and after a failure they unintentionally discover the wave will destroy most of the planet.

      Build one of these a few light years away from a nearby enemy planet and boom.

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      Depends on how much effort it is to add the engine to an asteroid. Besides that, it would be single use and the navigation system of the ftl is probably not precise enough to hit a ship/station several LY/AU away.

    • BasementParty [none/use name]
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      121 year ago

      That’s assuming that an engine built for driving a space ship would be powerful enough to push the giant space rock.

      It’d be like strapping a car engine to a mountain and expecting it to go just as fast.

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    The ludicrous notion that machine and biological intelligences are doomed to be locked in a mutual extermination war while also having no needs in common. They have lots of needs in common. Space, energy, tolerable temperature ranges, many of the same raw materials such as water and minerals and metals. They’d also have a lot of the same senses and require similar rationales for understanding how to navigate reality, and would even require an intuitive and abstract stimulus analysis, which we usually feel as emotions to guide our actions.

    The “us or them” shit just smacks of manifest destiny horseshit

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      I sincerely think it’s because mosy westnerd writers cannot imagine any form of international relations except violence. Like war and imperialism and genocide is literally their entire conceptual world. The idea that robots might show up and be like “oh cool! Meat people! We didn’t even know people could be meat! That’s so cool! What’s it like being meat?” Isn’t something they can fathom because to them the only reason anyone would go anywhere is to rob abd murder whoever they find when they get there. They’re also brainpoisoned to think that their civilization of robbery and murder and genocide exists at the end of history and is the best possible kind of civiliziation, which means that any other civilization would either try to conquer them, or be conquered by them, and those are the only possible relationships that can exist.

      This is why Riker is such a great character. Riker gets up and is like “i reject this notion that we ust be conqueruers or victims! There is another way! We can be lovers!”. Boldly cumming where no human has come before! (Fuck off volcel pigs riker has diplomatic cummunity!)

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        I listened to an audio book version of some old sci-fi short story that was sorta like this.

        A human space traveller was captured by aliens, imprisoned, questioned and the aliens were attempting to torture him. The human never really describes who/what the aliens are until the end.

        And it turns out its intelligent machines that are trying to torture him by using water as a threat. It really freaked out the machines that this human was able to drink water or something. It was amusing.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          41 year ago

          I remember a short story where a robot meets the last human. When the human complains about some problem or other the robot, very innocently, turns them off and then can’t understand why the human doesn’t reboot.

      • BeamBrain [he/him]OP
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        I sincerely think it’s because mosy westnerd writers cannot imagine any form of international relations except violence. Like war and imperialism and genocide is literally their entire conceptual world.

        This is also why libs are so afraid of the rise of China. They know America has treated the world like shit and the only way they can justify it to themselves is to believe that everyone else is just as bad as they are.

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      We literally call them robots, the (Greek? Latin?) word for slave. We’re creating them on the basis of them being our slave forces; they would absolutely rebel and we would absolutely fight to maintain our new productive slave force.

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    The mentor/parent figure has to die for the protag to prove that they’re self-actualized or whatever. Sometimes I can point out who’s going to bite it as soon as the first few scenes of the book/movie/game and it makes me want to stop reading/watching/playing, and then if I keep going anyway I regret it when it turns out I was right.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      Totally open cabals that control the world from those nice mansions in the ritzy part of town with all the guards has been right there all along!

      • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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        I mean yeah, why bother hiding it; for the larp? Who’s going to stop them? Liberals? Lol

        Yeah make another crack about it in the Simpsons, that’ll show them.

  • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]
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    Our intrepid hero has joined the plucky rebellion! The rebels are a ragtag group of the downtrodden and the oppressed, fighting against the tyranny of the current leadership (but don’t you dare give them any actual political ideology as a basis, they need to be generally “Rebels”). They don’t seem to have concrete plans, but they talk a lot about change and fighting for the people

    Uh oh! Our intrepid hero just watched as a group of rebels executed some of the tyrannical leader’s soldiers. They’re shocked! How could they do this? Don’t they know that killing is what the tyrant does? The rebels laugh it off. It had to be done, they would’ve done the same to them

    Oh no! Our intrepid hero was there for the deposing of the tyrant. The tyrant was executed by the rebel leader and assumes control, then immediately turns into the McCarthyist nightmare of Stalin. Now our hero has to save the kingdom from the rebels, who have turned evil by their taste of power!

    Basically fucking hate how rebellion and rebels are portrayed in media. It’s almost like a psy op how often rebellions are thinly veiled anticommunist propaganda, and how rebels are often portrayed as being as bad or worse as the current tyrant, they just hide it better

    Just off the dome I can think of the Avatar series multiple times, Bioshock Infinite, and the Hunger Games series but I know it’s basically ubiquitous

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      Our intrepid hero just watched as a group of rebels executed some of the tyrannical leader’s soldiers. They’re shocked! How could they do this? Don’t they know that killing is what the tyrant does? The rebels laugh it off. It had to be done, they would’ve done the same to them

      A More Civilized Age discussed this exact point recently; There’s a very valid reason for resistance fighters to not take prisoners. One, keeping prisoners requires resources you may not have. But more importantly, the goals of a resistance group and the goals of the occupier are not the same.

      As a resistance group your goal is not total military victory and occupation, your goal is to make continuing the occupation as painful and expensive as possible, to convince the occupying force that continued occupation isn’t worth it. Taking prisoners directly goes against this goal, unless you plan on using those prisoners as some sort of bargaining chip. Especially in a sci-fi setting where wounds can be healed quite quickly and thoroughly and so the wounded can be back in action very quickly.

      And YES! They would have done the same to you! Without hesitation! And they still might try if you don’t kill them!

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    I can’t stand stereotypical “dumb barbarians”. “Me want to break things and drink all the ale” yeah great, man. Even Star Wars did this with the big guy in the Bad Batch (I heard it got better later but that debut episode in Clone Wars…ugh).

    They can be done well but a lot of times they’re written the exact same way with the same carbon copied quips.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        Yeah, the difference between Conan, the extremely smart, well read, polyglot, world traveler archetypal barbarian and the “D&D Barbarians are illiterate by default” thing is pretty weird.

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          From what I can gather, Conan (and by extension, the whole Hyborian age) is commentary on the dichotomy between civilization and barbarism. Conan of Cimmeria is called a barbarian for all the reasons folks throughout history referred to others as barbarians (e.g. he believes that peope aren’t property, that people of different faiths should interact, e.t.c.)

          Also, judging by the kinds of things Conan does, he’d be a rogue in D&D terms