Same with water usage. Everybody has to reduce water, not wash cars while industry and agriculture who use like ¾ of the water don’t do anything
Last I ran the numbers, industry and agriculture used 98% of the water. This being in CA.
Yes because washing cars is much less important than growing food
Sure but growing water intensive crops in the desert is also not logical.
Yep… phoenix, Tucson, LV, all of those need to be vacated and the populations moved somewhere useful like the Midwest where they can help grow crops somewhere that makes sense
Why don’t humans migrate with the seasons? Are we dumber then birds?
People who live in the desert and then complain about not spraying their giant hunk of metal with water are definitely dumber than birds
The US massively overproduces food. We absolutely can afford to not water some of those crops.
lol fresh food is like all public health and wellbeing is non existent unless its been heavily industrialised to make as much money out of it as possible.
Farmers’markets exist but in many cases they’re more expensive than buying at the grocery store. At any rate we already pay Ag corps to leave land fallow so the West and Mid West doesn’t get over farmed again. Telling them to water only 95 percent of their cash crops shouldn’t be a problem.
The US massively overuses cars. You can absolutely afford to not wash your car.
If the cars are overused that means they require more maintenance, not less. I want walkable places but that’s not the argument to make lol
We can do both.
You can just… not wash your car. It literally doesn’t matter. If water rationing is in effect, washing your car should be the least of your concerns.
I don’t care about washing my car. I care that they’re moderating our car washing while allowing foreign businessmen to use as much water as they want on hay that gets exported. And that could be fine if they were doing it in the Mid West. No, they’re doing it in Phoenix, Arizona. A region that knows it’s counting down to a zero day.
So while I’m not washing my car, they shouldn’t be watering those crops.
If you don’t wash your car and you’ll get corrosion from the salt on the road. If you live where it snows of course.
This person is talking about being from the desert, so yeah, no sympathy here. The Fremen could figure out that water shouldn’t be wasted when it’s scarce.
To be fair it’s not usually the places with snow putting these bans in.
Not washing cars results in long term damage to the car. If you have a 200k mile shitbox with peeling clear coat, sure, you don’t need to wash it because it probably won’t matter.
If you have something nice with good paint, washing is an important maintenance item
If you wash a car it uses less fuel. Dirt makes cars less aerodynamic.
Juts search for “AI water consumption” or “data center water consumption”. I’ll agree that “we could be using this to wash our cars” is a silly argument, but water shortages affect between 2 and 3 billion people every year (https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/imminent-risk-global-water-crisis-warns-un-world-water-development-report-2023). We could be doing more with this water than cloud computing and AI.
Right, so agricultural was a bad example.
Not really. Look at California agriculture. You’ve got immense and unsustainable amounts of water going to almonds, pistachios, and other cash crops (not to mention animal feed for the Saudis) with voracious demand for more water, despite it causing damage to the water sources.
If you can’t imagine a world without eating meat, yes.
The big problem crop for water in California is almonds.
The big problem crop for water in Australia is cotton.
The big problem crop for water anywhere is not beef
Wait a sec, how do they consume water for cooling, i thought it’s in a closed loop as its purpose is only transferring heat
Some facilities is do this. They’re not 100% efficient, so some is lost to evaporation, some must be dumped because it has too much mineral content (and too much conductivity) to go back through the cooling system. Reusing is only about 50% efficient (according to Google’s numbers).
Half a liter per kilowatt hour. That’s the average water use
It’s like the idea of recycling plastics with water.
Not all of it is reusable to the same degree. A good portion of water has to be evaporated off to cool down the exterior towers plus water isn’t really infinitely usable in these loops. It gets gross or full of materials.Another thing that people need to remember is generating electricity uses the water here as we literally don’t use many methods that don’t involve water, we are not on a green grid and neither are these huge data centers for the most part. We boil it for the electricity then have to use additional to clean the system after.
On a standard PC, you can easily have a loop because the radiator is big enough to exhause all that heat. But when your computer or cluster puts out multiple thousands of watts of heat, eventually you need to get rid of tge hot water and replace it with cold water. And when it gets even hotter, you need a steady stream of cold water that immediately gets dumped.
If you live in a low humidity area you can cool with an evaporative cooler cheaper than with air con. Evaporative coolers consume quite a bit of water
1 image of a girl with 5 tits
This comment isn’t about the genocide in Palestine. You’re complicit in the system and endorsing genocide.
Fuck off. This is irrelevant and unnecessary.
This dude is an asshole who endorses vandalizing public libraries if it supports his political narrative. If he’s in favor of people shouting their opinion where it isn’t wanted, them I’m sure he’ll be in favor of my comment.
Those are Great
It’s a nice set of peckers.
One is blue
A tits a tit. I don’t care what color they are, big or smole.
I love them all.
Username checks out.
That’s 7 tits.
This guy counts
1 AI search uses the equivalent of 10 google searches…
Just imagine how much power you’re using up browsing the web lol.
AI is not making or breaking power grids, water sources, or any other bullshit alarmist prop you’re peddling like AI isn’t being used all over from image generation, checking your shitty grammar, or saving us all time from writing bullshit proper emails every day.
LLMs are 5 tits of awesome that I’ll be suckling on every chance I get.
Yep, I’m familiar with it. More from previous comments since these disingenuous memes get pedaled here regularly. People love to spout stats about AI in data centers that aren’t just used for AI without having any sense of how much CO2 is produced from really really common stuff lol. Let alone it being contingent on being run in non-renewable powered areas yet 40% of the USA’s grid is clean.
1 AI search = 10 google searches. More sauce.
How about watching TikTok? 30 minutes of video daily = 28kg of carbon a year. Calculators here: 1, 2, 3.
How about the recent ‘Oh no 1/5 a city’s water!’ The city use 770,000 gallons a day… So it uses 154,000 gallons of water for an entire piece of critical infrastructure that keeps the internet running. For the entire data center lol. And that’s for the city Carrol, Iowa with a whopping population of 10,000 people in 5 square miles lol.
A real common citation is how much carbon it takes to initially train these too. 500 tons of carbon dioxide… That’s only 33/334,000,000 Americans worth of CO2 for the year lol.
Large Language Model searches are distinct from text-to-image generative “AI” image processing. Generative image AI uses more energy.
Also Google searches are AI searches now.
You sound very angry and defensive. And you will continue to do so after evidence shows that AI has had a negative impact on the environment. On the bright side, the end of humanity will mean that people being angry and defensive won’t exist either, which will be nice.
AI has a negative impact on the environment today (because of energy use) but it could also result in breakthroughs in battery and power generation technology that enable us to overcome our energy problems. It’s already having a huge impact with things like medicine and was a key component in recent advancements in fusion reactor design (which would be the thing that saves us from our energy problems).
It’s not all LLM and image generation.
but it could also
If the last 20 years has taught us anything, I think it should be to hold back on assuming that technology makes the world better without significant drawbacks.
Angry and defensive? Sounds like they are saying AI is ten times less efficient than what we’ve already built but they are fine with that because of the convenience the new tool offers them. They seem like they are attempting humor more than expressing anger to me.
They seem like they are attempting humor
Ha, yes, “bullshit alarmist prop” truly is a very funny phrase!
I bet they consider it funny.
The environmental impact is interesting, if an AI search being as environmentally impactful as 10 Google searches is true.
I don’t know about you, but it often takes a number of Google searches for me to find the right information, whereas with AI and Google combined I usually get the info I need in 1/2 Google searches.
That means that, based on my personal experience, AI is probably more environmentally efficient at getting me the correct info than google search alone.
Edit: gotta love downvoters that give no discussion. I’m happy to re-evaluate the above but if nobody is rebuking it then all I can assume is that downvoters are ‘AI BAD’ folks who don’t have any intelligent input.
Try using the duckduckgo search engine. I switched recently and the search results are way better than Google now. I get what I’m looking for first try more often than not.
I have the opposite issue with DDG and it’s been my default search engine for a year now. I frequently have to try bing or Google or cheat and just use reddit for specific info just like I did with Google.
DDG is terrible at indexing certain info though and really only hits some of the biggest sites.
Trying to vaguely search for stuff is an absolute crapshoot on DDG.
That’s interesting, I’ve been having way better luck digging around on ddg. Google just seems to serve up ads when I’m trying to research a company or something and won’t give me what I’m looking for.
Maybe its the types of things I search for though. It’s really hard to sayI think a large part of it is whether you know what you’re searching for already. If you have a good idea of what it is already then you can generally find it. If you’re already good at using search terms or syntax it’s always helpful but it was the same for Google.
Simply put though Google just scrapes waaaaaaay more data so it’s going to have more to index from.
Either way it’s just one tool. Just like I’m using Bing for porn over either lol.
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/
DDG is bing though, is it not?
The ai results from Google I have been getting are less helpful than two specific searches. It could be because of how we search for things and it is definitely getting messed with because of seo weighting and ai targeting those tools, so I think a better option would be to teach people how to actually use the search engines properly instead of just sitting back and letting ais pick up slack.
My scenario is that I use chatgpt to get context and terminology in the area I’m researching.
I then know how to do more specific Google searches (only 1/2).
So effectively 11-12 searches vs 2.
I guess it adds up to 12 searches worth of environmental impact with chatgpt+Google (10 searches worth from chatgpt, 2 from Google)
When I use Google alone it’s often the same as that if not more. Sometimes it’s less if I already know the subject matter, but in those scenarios I would usually give just Google a go first anyway.
Basically chatgpt often either gives me the answer or a much better starting place for what to Google.
I don’t understand the chatgpt bit still. When you say you need more context on the subject matter, you could search for the wiki or a forum and get the same information chatgpt is pulling without the impact.
That does not sound angry in the slightest.
How about instead of strawmanning their emotional state, why don’t you be a better person?
Agreed, there is no sound, because this medium is purely text-based, so we have limited information. This is why saying things like “be a better person” can come off as silly.
How long would anyone even live at 79 degrees though?
if they’re american: until they’re 70, if they’re not american: no
I don’t get yer joke.
70c is 158f, steak is well done at that temp.
I’m not a food scientist, but I thought 165 was safe temps for meat.
165 for birds and wild game, 145 for beef and pork.
Hey they could also be Liberian
Like that works in a Liberi?
Assuming °F, you can survive that indefinitely as long as you wear light clothing, you’re not in direct sunlight, you don’t have a medical condition that affects things, and it’s not too humid.
While doing normal work or while at rest? Real big difference there.
While doing anything… 70F is pretty much perfect temp for most people. You’ll cool down fairly quickly after any heavy activity and will be safe during said activity unless you’re in direct sun, not drinking, and not taking breaks, but all that is true in nearly any temp.
70F is roughly 20C
Cool, but that’s 70 and not 79. Sure it’s only a few degrees swing but that still matters. We’re also looking at water shortages in a good number of places so counting on that being a ready supply is not necessarily true.
65 is a real nice temperature to survive at too though a little on the cooler side but it’s not what we were talking about.
79 is still pretty nice. Depending of the humidity, you might not even need AC, just fans
Cool, that’s still not answering the question. What level of work can a body do under standard conditions at 79 F, without overheating? That changes with humidity so at break points of 40, 60, and 80% how does that affect the body? What you think feels nice is not what I was asking.
Just go outside and look at people working outdoors or exercising. 79 isn’t very hot. Shocking fact: A/C was invented in the 20th century. Humans and summers were invented way, way before that. Do you think farmers just spontaneously combusted every summer before the advent of A/C? I know many farmers that don’t have A/C to this day, and they work sun up to sun down all summer long with no problems.
79 degrees would barely be considered hot in large swaths of the world. You can live and work in relative comfort at 79 degrees. Think of it this way: people run 135 mile ultramarathons in Death Valley where temperatures get up to 130 degrees.
Not everyone sits inside an air conditioned cube all day.
Now I’m wondering how you draw a girl with 5 text-to-speech (tts) programs.
draw a Hatsune Miku
ASCII
All I see are dwarves in a fortress, how about you?
I see the ROFLCOPTER.
I specifically asked for five pictures of girls with one tit. No wonder the usage is so high!
Whoa!
Are they sharing the same tit?
Optimally, yes.
We’re so into pushing the limits of AI, but we’re forgetting about the important stuff, like making sure everyone has power when the weather goes crazy. It’s like we’re so focused on the shiny new toy that we’re ignoring the basics. It’s like we’re trading our populations health for a few cool pictures. We need to think about the bigger picture and make sure we’re not sacrificing what really matters for the sake of technology.
Who’s “we”? Big corporations? Because the average Joe doesn’t give a shit about pushing the limits of AI.
Royal “we”, as in humanity. Your statement may be valid that the average Joe does not care, but it is important. Just as it was important to develop electricity to what is the modern grid today.
Startups can easily raise 7-figures by adding AI to their proposals and get seed money.
We struggle to fulfill GoFundMes for small town projects.
Humanity is doomed. (And I didn’t even talk about the disgustingly gross allocation of funding for weapons of war vs helping the poor)
Judging by half of Lemmy and R*ddit, I don’t think many of us tech folk care about GenAI
We have the combination of knowing a little bit about how it works while also not trying to fire a bunch of humans or sell some shiny new product while the getting is good.
“we”
“forgetting”
Oh everyone is into toys and roleplaying right now. That’s the theme of the era.
Pretend.
Pretend to do business like your daddy and then sit back and watch number go up. Pretend the new algorithm system is some super future app. Pretend we can just undo it and that we really have control over everything we do.
Heck, even most politicians aren’t actually bringing plans but simply roleplaying what they think is the party or level of conservativeness needed to just make it work a little longer.
No plans. No thoughts towards the future. Just now and how to make it feel more right than be.
You should check out Adam Curtis’ “century of the self”, might be up your alley.
We are an emotional species, it’s always been entirely about feelings and games of pretend. We briefly dabbled with the idea that we were a species of reason and logic, but the advent of being able to share our thoughts and ideas with anyone, anywhere, instantly, has dashed all our hopes that we can rise above our biological nature. We simply cannot handle things we weren’t designed by evolution to handle, and as soon as we get distressed, our brains work overtime to invent a story to explain how we feel.
You do this a thousand times a day about small things. The brain doesn’t care if the story it presents you makes sense, it just has to tie every feeling to something it thinks it knows. Which is why you have doctors and nurses becoming anti-vax science deniers and why so many people are so ready to accept an alternative view of the universe even if makes no sense and there’s no evidence for it.
We are now currently making machines that can connect with those emotional responses and create new stories for us and make us feel things. This should be incredibly worrying, even as we’re suffering under climate change.
It’s funny that the way western Roman empire declined in public image is not the way that really happened, but we are still trying to imitate it.
Cause in reality it was very agile. Late Romans really wanted to keep relevance and they managed to do that, but they also made the possible adversaries just as relevant and had too much infighting.
While our time imitates that empty helpless shell with nice looks from stupid movies which suddenly gets destroyed.
A weird thought.
People don’t know these things or they assume and project the idea all they did was have power and that’s all that needs to be done to maintain it.
Maybe it’s our attention spans are shorter to even deal with it, maybe it’s just that we are so comfortable in our existence plus so overwhelmed by knowledge that it’s easy to just pick parts you like and assume it will all be fine without the struggle. But we are to busy lying to ourselves, and just carrying on as expected I think, to pivot until forced.
or they assume and project the idea all they did was have power and that’s all that needs to be done to maintain it.
Yes. And those people who for some reason are near power are very arrogant and think that abusing it is how you achieve things.
There’s been a time in my childhood where I thought that the humanity will become better and kinder, if we make everyone play non-rigged multiplayer games again and again, so that everyone sees how these things really work.
My childhood with Travian and MMOs and WarCraft III and browser RPGs has definitely taught me some things in that area.
Not sure if today’s multiplayer games generally lacking this effect (except for Eve, maybe, but it’s unplayable with ADHD, thus for me) is a result of some targeted policy (as in conspiracy) or just evolution.
Data centers with AI won’t be in cities.
Hosting will be where it’s cheap, and that’s not in Phoenix or Vegas, except those things that must be near-line. Deep thought shit will be in rural Oregon or Virginia, where juice more plentiful and trouble is not.
Sooooo, false equivalence.
Yeah, there’s a bunch of DCs in Vegas.
Texas power grid is a special case though.
It’s the same issue with all power grids, the one in the city isn’t separate from the one in rural locations, hell over here the longest main line is over 1000km long, that’s a whole lot of locations getting their electricity from the same place
Do your goalposts have wheels?
The bulk of datacenters in Virginia are not in a rural area at all. The Northern Virginia area is the datacenter capital of the world, and they are all in urban/suburban areas. Check it out for yourself.
you can say tits online
But “you can’t see tits on the radio”
You cant see fucking anything on the radio me thinks
Depends. I just asked my wife to put her tits on our radio, and she was nice enough to do so, but now she’s wondering what the hell I’m looking at on the internet, but I CAN see tits on the radio.
I appreciate the play on words. I was referencing a song, but now I can only see someone (literally) resting their tits on a radio… and it’s a pretty funny image lol
Fortunately my wife is a good sport about these kind of things. She’s used to my odd requests after all this time.
I can’t see the image. My instance must be broken.
tots online
Dammit! It doesn’t work. They lied to me.
Police!
You can’t, many social media now has OCR that read text from image and if it discovers no no words, it’ll censor the post
Ahh yes, you can’t ever use swear words and eurasia has always been at war with eastasia.
Momma says you can’t
That’s it momma and I are going for a long train ride
Momma says trains are the devul
The various platforms with their various advertiser-friendly stances have all but maimed the english language. Had someone I know talking about a death in their family and they legit said “unalive” once without realizing it.
I know people who go by nicknames in some places because their name is apparently censored.
I think a lot about Nassa being censored to N***a in some game lol.
And if you are going to censor it don’t censor one letter with a line that looks like the letter.
T🍆ts
The working class got screwed over? I’m shocked!
To paraphrase another Twitter post, “AI uses the same amount of power per day as Guatemala for the sole purpose of making kinda acceptable slide decks for consultants to use when telling other corporate types how many people to fire”
I keep mine at 80 24/7. Not too warm not to cold, and keeps the humidity out so no sweat
Damn that’s hot.
Californian here, the fuck it is. Hot is at minimum high 80s but thats only with high UV low UV an the minimum is low 90s.
Swede here, even 23 degrees (Celsius of course) is pretty hot when it’s in the sun and it’s not windy.
It’s not terribly hot or anything but it’s still hot.
If there is no wind and it’s very sunny it’s hot and on the edge of being uncomfortable in normal clothes.
I did say im Californian, the sun has to be noticeably burning my skin for me to notice.
Its only hot when youre used to living in the northern climates. Here in texas its quite comfortable after a long day outside
I absolutely live in a Northern climate
26c?
laughs in Australian
Thanks
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Not too warm? How do you sleep at 80? At 74 I’m calling to get the A/C checked, 72 is the highest ‘acceptable’ temp indoors.
Maybe for you. I have worked and lived in 100+ degree temps for decades so i guess have become used to it. 72 actually brings me to shivers if im not moving around in it.
I guess we all operate a little differently, been in tx and surrounding for decades too. I’d trade, I wish I wasn’t sweating at 80, would save on my electric bill
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I didn’t want to break the NSFW rules… in case it did.
Not a mod here, but I don’t see how written tits could be a problem. Hell, artsy tits should probably be fine too. Sexual tits are, I’m pretty sure, the actual line.
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Unless it’s actually a pair of them then no, and if some mod says otherwise then I don’t want to use their children’s internet
We’ll make our own internet…and we’ll bring back the blackjack and hookers.
It’s not a pair, didn’t you read, it’s five of them!
Thanks for being so cool and letting tit enthusiasts have a place to be themselves.
Honestly censoring it like this just calls more attention to it. Had it not been censored I’d have just read the word and moved on. Had it been censored but using the same colour as the background I’d have read it, spent some time thinking “I hate this trend of censoring benign uses of language to bypass big social media companies’ filters, but I guess it’s necessary” (because I’d have assumed you grabbed this from a Twitter or Facebook post).
But censoring with a big red squiggle, the first thing I read was tits. All the downsides of the subtle censoring, but then it also gets seen over and over again because it visually stands out so much.
Censor normal words and make people wonder what they even are or if they’re bad now.
*ay.
Like this?
█████ ██ █ ████ Everything ███ █████ is ████ ██ ████ fine ████ ███ █ █████ love. █████ █████ ███ your ████ ████ government
i tried tapping those boxes way too many times to see the text behind them…
Sorry, SCI level 2 required. Heh
TIL I’m in a abusive relationship with my government.
Better late than never.
C**tainly
The fuck you just say to me?
Cuntainly
This works great with religious songs and bleeping.
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We need more AIs not humans. Perhaps try living life like people do in third world. They never complain about dying from heat because they aren’t a pampered candy ass who get spoiled spoonfed.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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