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I say we copy XI’s China or Putin’s Russia:
Attack and invade all neighbors, disappear dissenters and make thought crimes against the state punishable by death. No juries, trials or any bullshit.
That’s the only way to fix America; make it just as shitty and toxic as the east.
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a grand tradition of what to do with tyrants.
America as a nation was created by a subset of landed gentry who didn’t like paying taxes. They wanted to make Washington king. The founding fathers were basically the Megamind meme where Tighten (yes, it’s spelled Tighten, not “Titan”) says to the Mayor of the city: “More like under new management.”
The founders were not a monolith and had mega-disagreements about how to proceed from day 1.
“okay, we’re not gonna have political parties, right guys?”
Immediately form federalist and anti-federalist factions
Sure, and they still managed to pass the alien and sedition acts. Saying they weren’t a monolith is a way of dismissing the mountain of evidence that suggests that, for most of them, participation in the democratic process of an inchoate American republic was intended only for a small segment of the population - literate (i.e. wealthy) white men. I’d suggest A People’s History of the United States if you want a better perspective on that.
- America used to have very loud PR and an easily convinced population
Yes, his name was Andrew Jackson, and he told the Supreme Court to go fuck itself, and we survived him too. This stuff changes and evolves.
And Truman would have something to say about all of the Russian-bought members of Congress. History is cyclical, and we’re approaching another authoritarian period for global powers.
I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing this happen all over the world. All over the world we have feckless neoliberal parties failing to represent their people and getting replaced with populist right-wingers.
All over the world
Showing your bias here, because really this is only happening in Europe and the Anglosphere.
Not just Europe and the anglosphere. It’s also happening in Latin America (ecuador), and that’s basically all the regions where democracy used to be prevalent.
The middle east is still as dictatorial as it always was. Asia is still as dictatorial as it always has. Africa is still as dictatorial as it always has. I know all of these regions are huge and diverse, and that there are democracies. But none of them I can think of has gained democracy.
So the places that had democracy are turning less democratic, and the places that had little democracy still have little democracy. I’d say that’s an “All over the world” thing.
Meanwhile Brazil went back to their last progressive president after Bolsonaro’s failure, and Bolivia has foiled two attempted coups by reactionary forces. Venezuela and Cuba also remain strong, with the latter being possibly the most democratic country on this planet.
In Africa, the most notable “democracies” that have been overthrown in recent memory were all client states of western countries whose previous governments cannot in good faith be said to have been representative of the people.
The Middle East is pretty bad, what with Israel going full fash in the past year. It’s not like they haven’t been edging for decades, though.
But in Asia, the only country that might be more democratic than Cuba is China, and they’re as strong as they’ve ever been. Since that’s 1/5th of the population of this planet living under one of its premier democratic governments, I’d say the prognosis for global democracy is fine.
So the most Democratic countries on this planet according to you are cuba and china. Both of them are 1-party states, and China is straight up a surveillance state. Ok lol.
Does china pay you or are you spreading their bullshit propaganda for free?
The US is effectively a one-party system as well, because the rest of the world gets fucked over either way you guys vote.
Cuba’s democracy is actually a 0-party state. Candidates stand on their own for election, and most politics are run through local orgs and workplaces. They recently concluded one of the most democratic exercises in the history of the Western Hemisphere, when through a series of local referendums they amended their constitution. No lobbyists, no special interests, no controlled media - an almost totally pure example of a government run by citizens, for citizens.
As for China, the Chinese people have something like 90%+ satisfaction with their central government, as measured by independent observers. The reason for this is their commitment to Full Process Democracy, which means that your democratic participation in the system doesn’t end with your vote for a representative - low and mid level officials are required to constantly be polling their constituencies, and they can be dismissed (either by a recall election or by higher ups) if they don’t act in accordance with the desires of the people they’re supposed to represent.
Furthermore, China’s ruling party may be one party on paper, but it is “one party” that is made up of over one hundred million members. It has internal factions that range from neoliberal to anarcho-communist, and it is very intentionally embedded into every single Chinese institution. Most of the service that the CPC provides to the people is provided at a local or even individual level - for example, a Chinese worker’s equivalent to a union leader is a coworker who’s with the party, where if you have problems with your boss you can get it resolved through them.
At least there’s Lula in Brazil. And I’m sure someone could come and tell me something bad about him, but not being Bolsonaro is a huge improvement, and I’ve heard other good things. In fact I believe the majority of Latin America is under leaders to the left of the US Democrats. And no I’m not counting non democracies like Venezuela or Cuba.
Because in a lot of other places, or was already the case.
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I’m not defending America’s actions. I’m stating that many members of US Congress are funded by Russian oligarchs.
The influence was apparent when Republicans withheld aid from Ukraine until they were forced to choose between funding Ukraine along with Israel, or leaving Israel without weapons.
Does that sound like a government body that is representing its constituents?
OK, but sending weapons to either of these places is bad, both for the people whose wealth is being wasted to blow up people on the other side of the world, mostly civilians (almost entirely civilians in Israel’s case) and the people getting blown up
Supplying Ukraine with the weapons needed to defend themselves against a Russian invasion is bad?!?
The US is not supplying Ukraine with weapons because they have any interest in the well-being of the people in Ukraine. They are supplying the weapons to extend a war as long as possible to weaken Russia, at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded Ukrainians and millions displaced.
This is infinitely worse for the people living there than if Russia won a quick victory or if we’d taken literally any off-ramp in the last decade.
Fucking what?
It doesn’t matter what the US supplies Ukraine. It’s Ukraines fight. It’s up to Ukraine to decide to forfeit the fight or to keep fighting.
By your logic we (humanity) should just let any country invade any other country and take over it’s people just because “it’s easier to give in than fight.” Giving in would be for the benefit of the people, right? That’s what you’re saying? Fuck right off.
Russia should not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.
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How about you tell that to The Speaker Of The House?
https://www.newsweek.com/who-konstantin-nikolaev-money-mike-johnson-1870600
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Bother someone else with your agenda.
If you haven’t yet, I recommend watching Traumazone. All 7 hours of it offers a beautiful insight in USSR 1980’s to 1999.
Yes, USA supported shitty stuff. But the system rotted itself out first with corruption and production mismatching demand while fighting pointless war in Afghanistan, which created the power vacuum and collapse.
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The west sure did buy a FUCKTON of oil from the Soviet Union for people who were apparently trying to bankrupt them since 1917
Oh, but the West only gave the money in order to bankrupt the Soviets, you see
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America used to have a grand tradition of what to do with tyrants.
Which is the same playbook as democratically elected leaders of foreign nations. Bombs, drones and CIA-soonsored assassinations
America always had big propaganda against other people’s tyrants, never against their own.
“Keep quiet or Ill turn this democracy around, so help me God!”
People who think our presidential elections are only recently fucked up are morons. Since basically day 1 the politics and seedyness and bullshit going on behind the scenes has always been insane.
There’s some kind of narcissistic selfishness that constantly has a need for THIS time, OUR time to be the worst ever.
I mean, for the majority of the country’s history, huge portions of its population had literally no democracy due to no right to vote. But I guess we’ll ignore that.
We had portions of our history that were rocky as hell due to shifting balances of power between the federal branches, especially in the first 100 years.
We literally had a fucking civil war.
It’s always so interesting to me how people just ignore how bad it’s always been, and how many times the country did not, in fact, literally end, and yet they STILL gin up end of the country fearmongering constantly in every election cycle.
None of this is truly new.
That doesn’t mean it’s going to be fun to live through.
Viva la Gilded Age!
I mean, for the majority of the country’s history, huge portions of its population had literally no democracy due to no right to vote. But I guess we’ll ignore that.
Don’t forget the millions of felons who still don’t. In Florida they passed a direct referendum to give them their franchise back, but the state government employed legal fuckery to prevent it from working as intended.
Yes good point. And how many were incorrectly prisoned, or it’s for kind of stupid offenses that don’t warrant such a right being taken away.
They said most influential in the past 100 years, the civil war was 160 years ago.
100 years ago everyone had the right to vote (though Jim Crow laws limited voting access in many states for people of color, something that’s beginning to be reimplemented to an extent).
I think FDR might have been more influential, but he won in a landslide. Trump got millions fewer votes than his opponent and only won by a couple thousand votes in certain swing states. I think in the past 100 years it was probably the most influential presidential election in the sense that so few votes held so much influence on history.
The quiet part is out loud now and the dems are acting just as fascist as they yell at us that only they can save us from fascists.
I think the biggest factor is we have media covering everything 24/7 and when the smallest little detail comes out about something bad it’s blown way up and made to be a huge deal. It’s easy to get sucked into thinking we are in the worst point of history. No political figure can take a shit without some news outlet telling us that’s where they were plotting to blow up the entire world.
I wouldn’t say they ignore it, it’s just that they’re too stupid to realize it, or they simply never learned/forgot American history from school.
I still blame Nader for splitting the Democratic ticket in the 2000 election, causing America to be handed over to George W Bush.
Not the supreme court?
Lots of blame to spread around that year.
Remove any one of the factors and we likely get a different result.
In 2016 I voted Trump. In fact before that election I mostly voted republicanish except in some cases.
You have to remember in 2016 that Hillary was deeply unlikeable, and I believe her email scandal should have put her in way more trouble than it actually did. Her platform at the time was that you should vote for her because then she would be the first woman president! The country needed something else.
Hillary was not the answer and it was the DNC’s inability to read the room that lost them the election.
I fucking love Bernie but he wasn’t the right guy either. He sticks to his ideals which is a fantastic quality but doesn’t win general elections, which realistically needs people who are more center aligned.
I regret my Trump vote and will never repeat that mistake but it’s hard to know where we’d be had it been that Hillary shyster.
I love Bernie and what he stands for, and I did vote for him. I can sympathize with the hard choices we are all having to make of late.
This is either insane revisionism or this person is and was totally oblivious to messaging that may have contradicted their predetermined conclusion. Hillary Clinton had many many issues, but she absolutely had a very detailed and solid platform. The fact that certain elements of our society chose to only pay attention to her having a vagina is irrelevant to whether she actually had, maintained, and tried to advocate an actual platform. And the idea of voting for Trump but “loving” Sanders is like the perfect encapsulation of how utterly fucking dumb “independents” actually are in this country. Jfc
Voted for Trump but loves Bernie?
Please help me square the circle here.
Bernie plays as outside the establishment, Trump was also very much outside the establishment.
Sure, and they both drink water.
But one is outside the norm making things much worse while the other wants to make them much better.
They’re opposites in my mind.
My mother did the same. Her reasoning could be summarized as “how bad could it be?”. It turns out that, when placing a narcissistic con man in the highest office in the nation, the answer was pretty fucking bad.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her. The only unlikable thing is her unwillingness to take bullshit. Hillary was in-line to win by a landslide “unlikeable” or not. It took the media buying into a lie and Comey making misleading statements about her being under investigation (with no actual crimes suspected) a week before the election for Trump to win by the tightest margin ever.
The DNC is the party who notoriously dropkicks people on the merest whiff of impropriety. And here we had a fabricated criminal controversy. We played right into Trump’s hands.
…just food for thought. Ever notice how we Americans seem to remember VIRTUALLY EVERY Democratic presidential candidate in a bad light over some sort non-substantial reason or another like “unlikeable” or “tried too hard” or “claimed to invent the internet” or “was a douchebag”? Ever notice how older Democrats still somehow remember RONALD FUCKING REAGAN as the best president of their lives?
The Republicans bought the propaganda machine when Nixon lost. It’s all a goddamn lie.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her.
I mean, that’s just validating her own reasoning on why she lost the election. She didn’t win because she was arrogant, and decided she didn’t have to campaign in Michigan.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away. Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance
And she didn’t. People keep repeating this, but it’s not a fact. The DNC started transitioning over to Hillary after Bernie already had statistically ZERO chance but before he formally resigned. A bunch of people (including Bernie) got pissed about that, but not only is it not unheard-of, it’s downright sensible when Bernie wasn’t even planning to run on the Democratic ticket no matter what happened.
As I keep saying elsewhere. It’s really weird that everyone seems to hate Democrats who run for president more than Republicans who run for President, but for reasons they can never quite pin down to anything related to facts.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Bill was a moderate. Yeah, I know. Hillary was further to the left than her husband. Should we have given Trump the 2016 presidency because Hillary was married to a moderate?
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away
“Offhandedly blaming 9/11 on the Taliban does nothing but drive people away”. There’s no question 2016 was Republican propaganda and Hillary. I ABSOLUTELY have valid criticisms about the Democratic party. But that doesn’t mean every stupid criticism should be taken as valid. The Republicans have gotten REALLY good at the propaganda game.
Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
As “unpopular” as Hillary was, she was sladed to crush her by historic margins before you account for the Russian hacking scandal. You can disagree with me on that all you want, but if you DON’T get oppositionally defiant on that fact, then you can make no negative statements about her in good faith out of the 2016 election results.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for
Normally I would agree with you. 2016 was different. If Charles Manson ran for President and won, it’s the voters faults. NOBODY who did the least bit of research wasn’t shitting their pants on election day 2016.
“Sleep now in the fire.” And because we can’t fucking learn our lessons and we STILL blame the perfectly viable Hillary Clinton, we are indeed sleeping in the fire that Zack de la Rocha warned us about.
she didn’t. People keep repeating this, but it’s not a fact. The DNC started transitioning over to Hillary after Bernie already had statistically ZERO chance
really weird that everyone seems to hate Democrats who run for president more than Republicans who run for President, but for reasons they can never quite pin down to anything related to facts.
Lol, just because I criticize Democrats doesn’t mean I don’t criticize Republicans. It doesn’t come up as much because it’s a given that Republicans are going to be awful people.
Also, it’s not that people don’t provide facts, it’s just that you ignore them when presented. I noticed you didn’t confront the Idiocracy of her not campaigning in Michigan…
Yeah, I know. Hillary was further to the left than her husband.
Lol, Hilary was just as much of a moderate as bill Clinton, they literally developed American 3rd way politics together.
Should we have given Trump the 2016 presidency because Hillary was married to a moderate?
Lol, what a pointless strawman argument… Hillary Clinton has her own political career we can judge her upon. Plus, this is moot as Clinton already “gave” trump the Whitehouse by not campaigning in Michigan.
“Offhandedly blaming 9/11 on the Taliban does nothing but drive people away”.
Lol, I know your trying to make a point here, but it’s as hilariously flawed as your argument. Yes blaming 9/11 completely on the Taliban is highly reductive and does nothing but further entrench Americans in nationalism. 9/11 is the result of blowback from the cold war.
There’s no question 2016 was Republican propaganda and Hillary. I ABSOLUTELY have valid criticisms about the Democratic party. But that doesn’t mean every stupid criticism should be taken as valid. The Republicans have gotten REALLY good at the propaganda game.
You are conflating valid criticism with “stupid criticism”. Nothing I’ve stated is unsupported by evidence.
As “unpopular” as Hillary was, she was sladed to crush her by historic margins before you account for the Russian hacking scandal.
Except her popularity was already drastically shifting weeks before the comey letter was released. It was always a tight race, what evidence do you have that supports her win by “historic margins”?
The “Comey effect” is literally an idea propagated by her campaign to explain the lost. Even though theres testimony from people on her team that begged her to campaign in key swing states, and blame her ignoring that advise for the lost.
I’m not saying there wasn’t interference, I’m just saying that it wasn’t solely to blame for her poor performance. You just can’t ignore swing potential swing states in that tight of an election.
Normally I would agree with you. 2016 was different. If Charles Manson ran for President and won, it’s the voters faults. NOBODY who did the least bit of research wasn’t shitting their pants on election day 2016.
I don’t really see what you’re trying to get across here…
And because we can’t fucking learn our lessons and we STILL blame the perfectly viable Hillary Clinton.
Lol, she lost… She wasn’t a viable candidate, and there were concerns about her campaign throughout the entire process. Historically, running a milquetoast career politician against a firebrand populist is always a poor prospect. The political landscape has changed, but the DNC refuses to change, they just blame the constituency for not playing along.
No, no, I was assured Hillary Clinton was Basically The Same as Trump and Both Sides Were Bad.
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn’t going to win the election.
As long as the R’s can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one.
Bernie refused to join the DNC. He was doing his usual pump&dump dirty pool of winning a Primary and refusing the nomination so that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to run anyone in the general.
Bernie got screwed
…because he couldn’t get as many votes. None of that superdelegate bullshit people are talking about came to pass. He just wasn’t popular enough among a party he refused to be a member of. Go figure.
What new decision did SCOTUS make?
Absolute immunity for all official acts by a president, whether technically within their power or not. It’s now possible Trump cannot be held accountable for his attempted coup because he did it as the sitting president - because SCOTUS implied it’s Constitutional for him to attempt to overthrow the government.
One thing you got wrong is that Bernie got screwed. He got demolished by Clinton, by 12% points and millions of votes. It wasn’t even close. Democrats wanted Clinton, and the major complaints about the DNC during the primary was that they said nasty things about him in an email and gave her some debate questions. That’s it. It made no difference in the outcome.
Am I the only one that remember wieserman-sholtz getting successfully sued over that? I swear this country has the memory of an 81 year old president.
Nah, this dude is just lying their asses off for some reason. I get voting for the lesser of two evils, I mean I voted for Clinton as well. But, apparently there are still ride or die Clinton heads out here still sucking down the copium.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Only after the rest of the moderate candidates were convinced to drop out before the debate and voting… Sanders would have likely won the primaries if there were more moderates on the ticket to split the vote.
So you’re saying because the winner was someone more representative of who the average Democrat voted, sanders got screwed.
No, I’m saying that the DNC has the responsibility to remain impartial, and when it doesn’t, it’s not surprising that the candidate they decide deserves to be president loses.
They didn’t decide. The people voted for Clinton and then Biden, overwhelmingly. Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want. Remember, sanders didnt drop out, he lost. Overwhelmingly so.
Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want.
Guessing you’ve never heard of the term “manufacturing consent”?
Are you pretending that’s been your argument up to this point?
Btw, why didn’t you point out that both of them backtracked the comments?
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I think the wheel of history turns on a greater axle than a presidential election. Look at Europe, and the rest of the global north. The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.
Trump was a fluke, he’d have had more bites at the apple in 2020/2024 and eventually get a win. If not him, then some evangelical fascist.
Absolutely. We’re seeing a return of authoritarian candidates in many first world nations. The people that witnessed Hitler’s rise are mostly gone, leaving many to overlook or minimize similar patterns of behavior.
As far as the US is concerned, Trump made the hat. Someone else will put it on.
The dominance of the far-right in France’s elections and in European elections in general this cycle is really frightening. That being said, I think a lot of their success comes from tactics inspired by Trump’s… Trump became an internet icon, he was turned into a piece of popular culture. The European far-right are doing the same, they’re REALLY good at social media propoganda and utilising social media to get young people to vote for them. Looking at 2019 vs 2024, the difference in young voters’ attitudes would be unbelievable then.
Russian psyops. They’re beaten The West without firing a shot, except for Ukraine and Syria.
Ha! If you think fascism in Europe is going to end well for Russia, you don’t remember history.
The fascism on the rise right now isnt the same as in the 30s and russia right now isnt the same as in the 30s. I dont see any reason to believe that the european fascists would turn on their biggest supporter.
Yeah Russia will be in Neo-Hitler’s side this time. At least that seems to be their plan.
Russia itself is already fascist. It is currently ethnically purging Crimea, and festers on patriottism and nationalism, with a person cult, a single dominant party, and cronyism.
Doesn’t matter all that much. Fascism needs enemies, even within the same ideology.
The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.
I want this on my tombstone so the alien archeologists that eventually visit our ruined husk of a world can know what happened.
they’ll already know and the financiers of any such project will work to mitigate any impact that message might have or prevent it from becoming well know; as has already happened.
Could you though
If it wasn’t for Hillary and her DNC, yes.
As much of a Berniebro that I was, I’ve come to realize that the Democratic party is horrifically balkanized. There’s this expectation that the progressive wing of the party is supposed to hold its nose every year and vote for the neoliberal candidate. The problem is that this is not a two way street. Your hardliner party supporters that wanted a Clinton presidency wouldn’t have voted for Bernie. I knew some of them in real life. The DNC actively and aggressively poisoned that particular well early on. Bernie wasn’t a “potential candidate” - he was an enemy of Clinton. Plain and simple. They all said that if Bernie had gotten the nomination, they would have stayed home on election day.
If it wasn’t for the people and things that currently exist, things would be different!
One of the opinions of all time
Bernie always had the commie stamp. I doubt he would have won against Trump
Bernie would have forced debates and public discussion toward rationality. He would have understood not to get in the trenches with Trump - not to get caught up in trying to counter every lie.
He had real action plans and funds and ideas that made sense/work and he was ready to put in place. We haven’t had a candidate who did that in years.
Hell, this country can’t even make A BUDGET.
Yeah, giving a shit about giving poor people fair treament is “commie.”
Fuck Putin, by the way.
I fully agree with you. I would have liked it if Bernie was president I just dont think he would have won sadly.
When you go by policy, he would have trounced Trump.
People want free healthcare, people want less war, people want to know their kids will get just as good of an education as the kids of rich people.
Then again, he’d have had the media aligned against him, so maybe they would have convinced the people it’s good when you have to put off medical treatments for months so you get them all in a year where you meet your deductible
As opposed to all the well known stamps that Trump has!?
The difference is that Trump supporters vote him because he has the fascist stamp. I don’t see a majority of american voters vote for someone they think is a communist. The red scare is too much alive in boomers head for that
We’ll never know for sure, but polls had him beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020.
Sudan?
If it doesn’t have a large social media campaign it doesn’t exist.
I didn’t like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.
But hey, let’s not quibble about words.
And now we have a convicted felon poised to be dictator.
Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn’t get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.
DON’T BLAME THE VOTERS.
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Well, those voters shouldn’t have been such fucking short sighted morons then.
Voters? How about the Democratic party? You’re telling me there isn’t a compelling candidate in the entire fucking United States of America?
There aren’t any that corporations can get behind.
The democrats don’t care, as long as they don’t offend their base. And then doing any sort of legit challenge/change/effort, would offend that base.
The average democratic voter is incredibly complacent and happy with the status quo in this country.
They don’t really care too much about their base. It’s really their donors and themselves that they care about. The donors and the important people in the democratic party are very rich, so a Trump dictatorship would merely be an inconvenience and embarrassment to them. If it really got bad they’d move to another country and try to gain support as the legitimate government in exile.
Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn’t achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn’t affected where it relates to power and wealth.
Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn’t trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.
The system failed decades before that if there’s people running around stupid enough to think there’s a genocide happening.
But Americans now have what they deserve. The exceptionalism they’ve been pushing on the world is now on full display for everyone to witness.
They’re revering to the genocide in Gaza.
No, there isn’t
So they’re ignorant? There’s no genocide in Gaza other than the one Hamas attempted in October.
Hold on I’m screenshotting this for the next time a Biden die hard tells me there’s no one denying the existence of a genocide.
Screen shot this. There’s no genocide in Gaza other than the one Hamas has attempted in October.
They’ll just ignore it and repeat themselves with more condescension.
What would you call erasing an entire people from the earth if not genocide?
Read their comment history; they’re pretty strongly Zionist. Genocide denial is a requirement for continuing to hold that viewpoint.
You realize there’s 2 million Arabs living with full rights, some even serving in the IDF in Israel right? Gazans are Arabs, they’re not distinct from the Israelis living adjacent, no people’s are even remotely close to being wiped out FFS.
You realize that based on the birth rates there’s going to be more Gazans after the war than before it right!
Wow, this is next level insane.
Facts aren’t insanity, denying facts or insanity.
You realize there are Arab judges on the Israeli supreme Court right? Please tell me you’re aware that there are over 2 million Arab Israelis living with full rights in Israel.
You’re aware of this fact in reality, right?
You seem to think that non-israelis, ones who have openly committed to killing Israelis deserve the same rights and protections as an Israeli citizen, which is an absolutely insane position to take.
I can’t even begin to argue with you because everything you say is senseless and frankly irrelevant, I don’t know why you keep referring to arabs and who lives in Israel. Palestinians are being genocided you illogical tool.
Typical of your ilk facts are relevant because they don’t suit your narrative.
The Free world will continue to focus on reality. Here. The reality is there’s a terrorist organization running an enclave right next to the only democracy in the middle East. Those terrorists have spent their entire lives outwardly calling for the death of the citizens of that democracy .
No one in that enclave is being genocided and that’s easily proven by the fact that no genocide has ever ended when the hostages were released.
That you’re unable to acknowledge these simple facts and this readily apparent reality really just shows how easily people are caught up in the social media cause du jour.
I’d call on you to be better to be less ignorant and to be less pathetic, but you’ve proven yourself unable to do any of those things.
Israel really isn’t spending much on you guys are they? Chatgpt could probably make more sense and a more convincing argument.
