• FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    9 months ago

    jd vance only wants people to have children because he is a bad Terminator and wants more skulls to step on ominously after SkyNet launches the nukes

  • Chronicon [they/them]
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    209 months ago

    yeah, this type of attack will resonate with some freaks for sure but I don’t think its net positive, probably

  • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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    159 months ago

    Everything from the top down in this country is built around people with kids. The entire social safety net, 90% of public spaces etc…

    The childless are always an afterthought.

    • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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      129 months ago

      I don’t think so. Suburbs are very child-unfriendly, for example, and this, I think, is one of the most important factors for the rise of socially maladjusted people. The capitalist economy is also much harder for people with children.

      • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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        That’s probably true these days. I grew up in a neighborhood, and it was just like the boomers say. Playing until the street lights came on, all the kids were close enough to my age… We played street hockey and skateboarded. Lots of neighborhood wide games of hide and seek. The neighbors mostly knew each other

        Our lives were a little less atomized back then, and the economy wasn’t completely soul crushing.

      • Iwishiwasntthisway [none/use name]
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        19 months ago

        Inner ring or pre 1990s suburbs are pretty child friendly. I see kids about 8+ going to the park or 711 or whatever. The problem is you’re not going to get a 3500 sq ft house on half an acre of unused land in these places and that’s what people wanted up until fairly recently.

    • HarryLime [any]OP
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      399 months ago

      She’s married and she has stepkids. Vance is basically saying that stepmothers aren’t real mothers, which will not go over well at all.

      • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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        99 months ago

        Oh, that’s way more shitty than I thought. I was at work when I made that comment.

        A majority of millennials probably have a step parent. If anything mattered, his comment would be a devastating blow to his popularity

  • RedDawn [he/him]
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    79 months ago

    They said things like this about Hillary too and still beat her (through the electoral college). It’s gross stuff but their base have no problem with it and sadly it’s not enough to turn everybody off.

    • HarryLime [any]OP
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      199 months ago

      The most effective attacks on Hillary were over NAFTA, voting for the Iraq war, and a general sense of her entitlement and criminality, and Trump still lost the popular vote. The electoral college advantage Trump had in 2016 has almost certainly been erased by the Dobbs decision, as the 2022 midterms showed. I’m not saying it’s 100% that Kamala will win, but 2016 isn’t necessarily a guide here.

    • @[email protected]
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      89 months ago

      Tbf, Hillary already had all kinds of baggage, and the republicans had spent the better part of two decades spinning up shit about her. Pelosi running would be a better equivalent to Hillary, imo. It was a huge, huge risk basically for no benefit besides for the Clinton’s own vanity/glory.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    359 months ago

    They had a good thing going during the 2016 period when Trump’s snark and anti-pc attitude won people over during the peak of anti-sjw.

    But now they’ve gone back to letting the Fox News brainworms settle in.

  • stigsbandit34z [they/them]
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    59 months ago

    Dems have what is basically another layup and it’s going to be really funny to see them blow it again (but not really because I’m sure they’re financially happy with Trump let’s be real for a second)

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    379 months ago

    These are the very same people that obsessed over Taylor Swift not having kids and wanted her eggs to produce Aryan supermen and yet Kamala is still going to lose against them. The dems run amazing candidates that everyone universally loves!

    • HarryLime [any]OP
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      609 months ago

      yet Kamala is still going to lose against them.

      Honestly, I really don’t know about that. I feel like I’m in the minority on this website on this, but I think she has a strong chance.

      • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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        299 months ago

        I remember in 2020 this site was convinced that Trump would beat Biden. This website assumes the worst at times.

          • @[email protected]
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            99 months ago

            I think that’s completely fair. I’m on the left (lower case l) and I don’t know anyone who voted for Biden, but plenty who voted against Trump. Biden was a wholly uninspiring candidate, and if you’d asked me in the early days of the 2020 primary who was going to win, Biden was near the bottom with Yang imo. Especially after his disastrous debate performance, dude looked and acted like they’d just done CPR on him minutes beforehand.

            • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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              119 months ago

              I didn’t think Bernie was going to win that election, but there was that moment when the establishment Dems were on the bottom of the polls, and Bernie was ahead. It was the last time I felt any kind of hope for a process to go our way.

              • @[email protected]
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                29 months ago

                Bernie would have beaten the absolute dogshit out of Trump, imo. That little stunt the Democrats pulled in all dropping out and giving their delegates to Biden and declaring him the de facto winner after [checks notes] he won one of four primaries, on top of all of the shit in 2016, has made me completely cynical towards them. I’ve got the fastest eye roll in the West for anybody who insists that the democratic primary reflects the will of the voters.

              • xapr [he/him]
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                99 months ago

                Don’t you just love it that the “hope” dude (Obama) was the one to take away our hopes?*

                *Obama is widely considered to have orchestrated everyone except Biden and Warren dropping out on the same day, flipping the table for Biden.

                • NapoleonBlownApart [he/him]
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                  89 months ago

                  Yup. He was my first election. I didn’t vote for him for a second term. He blew it the second nobody got in trouble for the bank collapse and letting the bush admin off the hook.

        • RedDawn [he/him]
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          149 months ago

          Lots of people here weren’t. I was pretty sure Biden would win and in my electoral map guess I think I only got one state wrong. There were plenty of people calling it both ways, there wasn’t a sitewide consensus that Trump would win.

        • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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          219 months ago

          It was an incredibly close election and literally everyone was wrong about which way which demographics would vote

          • mar_k [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            it was pretty obvious biden was most likely going to win, and it was far from a landslide but still pretty decisive, far from incredibly close. polling aggregate from 538 before the election:

            for reference, they gave hillary clinton a 70/30 chance, so her loss was fairy probable

        • mar_k [he/him]
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          29 months ago

          remember in early 2020 when most of the subreddit thought covid was a little flu being sensationalized by the media?

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        Agreed. People are starving for a normal candidate, and Kamala strikes me as only being abnormal in how much of an absolute normie she is. She has almost no baggage at all, she has experience as a prosecutor (which should speak to her ability to communicate) and landed some pretty good body shots on Biden in the 2020 primary debates, and she has almost none of the problems that Trump and Biden shared (brain-addled golf-obsessed septuagenarians), and she can lay claim to Biden’s W’s and have plausible deniability for his L’s. Kamala has previously come across as a little too scripted, and that’s born out in other reports about her being something of an overbearing perfectionist, but I think that’s nothing that the DNC war machine can’t polish up. I think Kamala’s got a real shot here.

          • @[email protected]
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            89 months ago

            Well, which is it? She either persuaded lots of juries to lock up all kinds of people (she did) or she sucks at communicating, I find it hard to imagine how both could be true. At any rate, she’ll communicate better than Biden, who famously said [unintelligible]

              • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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                149 months ago

                This wasnt a PPB situation at all lol. Clear example of some of us being too trigger happy with that.

                Maybe Kamala’s style doesnt work with you but I think she does have an ability to communicate and I dont think random lemm.ee person is wrong here.

                • emizeko [they/them]
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                  59 months ago

                  if you really think her time as prosecutor is good evidence of her persuasion abilities I don’t know what to tell you

        • BobDole [none/use name]
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          239 months ago

          Honestly, I’m kind of appreciating the normie perspective you’re bringing here with this comment. While I disagree with the “no baggage” statement, I don’t think her baggage will harm her with the broader fascist American public. The only people who will really care about all of the horrible things she did as DA/AG are those of us already on the left.

          • @[email protected]
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            That’s exactly what I meant when I said almost no baggage. The average canter/auth voter in the US couldn’t give two shits about Kamala being an over-aggressive DA. A lot of them probably appreciate it, even. Being more libertarian minded, it bothers me, but not remotely as much as Project 2025 does.

        • regul [any]
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          59 months ago

          How could Trump do anything that would possibly lose him voters?

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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            59 months ago

            I think what he means is more alpng the lines of whether Trump will excite his base more than he will exicte the dem base to turn out against him. Not so much about “losing” votes

          • qaopjlll [he/him]
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            He could tell them to drink bleach again (but mix it with ammonia this time)

      • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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        369 months ago

        I agree. She’s a complete piece of shit, but she’s not a sundowning Silent Generation segregationist. If she plays her cards right and the Republicans keep saying weird shit like this fence sitters might be driven to vote for her.

        • regul [any]
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          189 months ago

          People dunked on her for her debate plan to say “Why are you being so weird?” but it’s honestly probably pretty good strategy if (big if) she can convince people she’s normal.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        309 months ago

        I think it’s at least 50/50, but I also think the lathe has been emitting unholy smoke and fire and i have no fucking idea what is even possible anymore.

  • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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    379 months ago

    I just saw some parts of Vance talking. The crowd was dead. A lady behind him was falling asleep. If anything, he’s going to blow Trump’s election. When someone “charismatic” like Trump says something insane, the crowd can twist whatever real thoughts they had to join in on being with him.

    Vance? Watching a wet garbage bag say the dumbest thing ever might honestly be the only concrete hope the Dems have. If I were Kamala and co I’d let him yap as much as possible and then replay his most boring crappy comments over and over.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      429 months ago

      Pence was the same way. Imo Trump’s VP basically doesn’t matter for the election, Trump supporters are voting for Trump, full stop. Like, Trump could probably have ran with Epstein in 2016 and still won.

  • WorkingClassCorpse [comrade/them, any]
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    219 months ago

    Harris is turning out to be one of the funniest developments of this campaign so far.

    She’s almost the perfect combination of cringe and fashy, nothing they’ve said about her so far has been particularly compelling.

    In an election where all she has to do is take body blows and not be Trump… Idk I think it might actually work.

    • Grandpa_garbagio [he/him]
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      She just has to not take them seriously and laugh at them, I fucking hate to see it but she’s sort of perfect for this.

      If she can call them weird and laugh at the insane shit they say she will come out wayyy the fuck ahead. that’s not anything we’ve seen with the Dems yet.

      She fucking sucks of course, but she may in fact be the only establishment dem that could disarm trump at this moment

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    The politician from Ohio is so concerned about making sure people have children. Normal people might remember Ohio as the state that rejoiced over the miracle of a pregnant 11-year-old.

    Kamala could gain points with normal people (including surrounding swing states) just by mercilessly dunking on Ohio until November.

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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      519 months ago

      Making your entire campaign about shitting on your opponent for being from Ohio will always result in a 49-state victory, with the opponent pulling a Mondale Special

    • roux [he/him, they/them]
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      389 months ago

      Ohio doesn’t make bright people. I got family there. I’m probably among the smartest in my family and that isn’t saying much. I have a cousin in Ohio that is in a union and argued with me one time that unions aren’t socialist because he pays dues. That was his reasoning. Not a single wrinkle is that man’s brain.