I wonder how much that affected the life expectancy of those kids
Quite a lot. Most mothers smoked while pregnant and gave their kids asthma as a result, and ADHD too. That’s why you see more of that.
ADHD too. That’s why you see more of that.
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My mom quit smoking before pregnancy, and dad never smoked. Still neurodivergent. I’ve not personally heard of a causal link there before.
Thanks, but, uh:
CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that the association between maternal smoking during pregnancy and offspring ADHD is not due to causal intrauterine effects, but reflects unmeasured confounding.
Fun fact: instead of cupholders, 1970s cars would proudly advertise the number of ashtrays they had equipped the car with, usually 1 within reach of every seat. This number was equally important as horsepower or price on marketing materials.
The flip side is that now that cars have zero ashtrays, most smokers just throw the butts out the window.
The same people doing that now would have been doing it then also. It’s so easy to put an ashtray in your car, or just an old soda can, and people used to care a lot less about “littering”.
I remember this!
I have a 2015 car. Imagine my surprise to find that it has front and rear ashtrays. I hadn’t seen an ashtray in a car since probably the early nineties. I remember for a while after the ashtrays stopped being standard that you could order a “smoker’s package” to get them, but I thought that option had long since gone away.
Someday when beverages are a thing of the past, people will be aghast that cars ever advertised their drink holders.
Yes, someday we will all ingest nothing but crumbly dry blocks of nutrient fuel, and scoff at those who used to slurp up liquids like a meat mosquito.
Someday when beverages are a thing of the past, people will be aghast that cars ever advertised their drink holders.
But then where will I put my water bottle?
I have a Trabant, a car from East Germany that was made pretty much as cheap as possible. Still has ash trays front and back.
I’m old enough to remember when smoking was banned in bars/clubs in the UK. It went from a musky smell to body odour, and it took practically all venues by surprise.
Now, I’m so glad that indoors smoking was banned. Looking back, it was fucking gross, and while sadly lots of people now vape indoors it was a huge improvement to basically be able to actually breathe in those places.
I came to Ireland when they just banned smoking and it was still legal in Germany. The first time I walked into a pub and ran against a solid wall of sweat and beer farts I missed smoking.
In the US, I lived in a state that went non-smoking and later a city in another state that did. B.O. mixed with mold and a hint of piss is what it ended up smelling like.
Seriously this! I grew up poor so going to restaurants was a 2-3 times a year thing. And as a kid, going to one meant non-smoking area, where the nasty ass smoke would still waffle over. And my eyes would get irritated, id get really sick and cough nonstop for days.
It didn’t even notice the coincidence until it happened to me at a friend’s house in college who was also a heavy smoker.
I remember that in pre-school in around 1990 we made clay ashtrays for father’s day. My father did not smoke but they told me to make one anyway…
I also made one. But mainly out of choice. My parents didn’t even smoke. I guess I was weird that way.
When I was a kid I used to kick cigarette butts down the aisles at the local grocery store.
I’m a weirdo and I loved the smell, so naturally I became a smoker at the ripe old age of like, 10.
I know how much other people hate the smell so I’m always so paranoid about it.
I’m about to be a stay at home dad for a bit. I’m quitting to kill the expense. Wish me luck!
Good luck! The journey may be tough but I believe you will make it.
I quit like 20 times, and what finally worked was an ayahuasca ceremony.
Those things had me in their grip hard
I never became a smoker but I too love that smell.
That smell kinda helps me relax too, depending on the type, I guess. I use (vanilla) incense because it has a similar effect for me. Though it doesn’t smell quite the same.
I don’t know if it’s nostalgic for me or what. Funny thing is, I hate, hate, hate, the smell of incense (or anything else burning for that matter). My daughter started burning them recently and I couldn’t stand it.
A lot of smells that most people enjoy make me sick or give me a headache. The smell of matches burning and cigarettes though, I’ve always loved that. Maybe it makes me feel like a little kid or something. Who knows?
That’s interesting.
What do you think of the smell of car exhaust fumes?
Gives me a headache and I can’t stand it haha.
I guess we are not the same then. But it was interesting to find someone else who likes the smell of cigarettes.
Good luck! I quit cold turkey after 20 years of smoking, and I started just like you at around 10 or so. The year after I quit was a bit weird, it was hard the first month or so, and got substantially better every day. What helped me not to start again, is that feeling that it might be weird now, but if I start again, that would mean all those terrible first days were for nothing, and I hate suffering with no purpose.
After a year I randomly realised that not only I don’t want to smoke anymore, the thought alone is a bit revolting, and that’s when I knew that I’m finally done with the whole shit. Gained a bit of weight though, nicotine is a wonderful appetite suppressor, but never regretted it.More money, you’ll live longer and so have more time to spend with kiddo, and hopefully they’ll never have to post on one of these threads complaining about the smell at dad’s house!
Quit to not harm your child 🤷♂️
This is, indeed, an even better reason to quit.
My parents did that and stopped smoking when i was born.
I started smoking when i was 17 …
Good luck! If it’s ok, I can DM you to see how it’s going? Quitting smoking/nicotine felt like the hardest thing I ever did, but I’m so glad that I did it. I’m still kind of surprised at myself for having succeeded after so so so many failed attempts.
But if you keep trying, one day it just works.
Good luck to you!
…my high school phased out the student smoking area starting my freshman year in 1986: the older classes still had access, but not mine, and by 1990 it was fully decommissioned into a landscaped atrium…
…when i worked as an apartment groundskeeper in the early nineties, my first two hours of every day were spent cleaning cigarette butts throughout the complex…
Did the kids just smoke somewhere else?
I don’t think we had an official smoking section but there was always a big crowd in the parking lot (early 2000s)
…i know people smoked off-campus but i’m pretty sure it was verbotten anywhere on-campus for students my age and younger: i was resolutely accosted by faculty for wielding a convincing fake cigarette in the parking lot after-hours…
Im 24 and I got the tail end of this with Gen X smokers, motherfucker I can still smell their shitty marlboros. At least go with scavenged WW2 ration cigarettes like a civilized person.
The 80s was another level of smoking. Smoking on planes, smoking in the nursing station while working, the doctor smoking while he rounded on a patient, smoking in movies, every restaurant, I didn’t see anywhere people didn’t smoke save for mostly in my school, but the teachers did have a smoking lounge.
You know where you couldn’t smoke? The MetroDome (old Twins and Vikings stadium). “No smoking! No smoking in the MetroDome.” was announced before every game.
…was that because of its inflatable structure?..
No it was just around the time that no smoking was becoming a thing. It was actually really annoying when the allowed smoking. Once they stopped allowing smoking in the Dome, the stadium announcer would declare “No smoking. No smoking in the MetroDome.” and it got a huge applause every time.
Although I was at a game when the roof ripped and the lights started bouncing kind of like the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. But they cranked up the air pressure which compensated for the rip.
Oh ive heard the stories, but well the smell and look of a 99 cents store filled with smokers and every adult at the park smoking a cigarette is burned into my brain. I know what I missed since the old tech I mess with will sometimes have the smell absorbed into it so badly I need to make a vinegar solution and leave it in the sun to ge the smell out. Im just saying that I have an inkling of how bad it was at its peak, and can say im fucken glad kids these days arent exposed to it nearly as much.
I got some really cute clothing for my kids from a friend I was helping move who smokes heavily, and I’ve washed it 3 times and it still smells of cigarettes…
She also gave us some totes which I scrubbed with vinegar and dawn in the bathtub which turned the water brown but it still smells a bit of cigarettes. Some pancake mix from their pantry literally tastes like cigarettes. Good riddance to smoking!
When I was a kid the old people in my family all chain smoked when we went out to eat. I hated eating with them because of that. I seriously thought my aunt was 15 years older than my mom because of her chain smoking and alcoholism aged her. Found out after she died she was only 3 years older.
What I remember most is coming back from concerts reeking of cigarettes and having to immediately throw my clothes in the wash and take a shower. Going to shows got so much more enjoyable after they banned indoor smoking at clubs.
Ashtrays everywhere. Companies marketing for kids who proudly make massive branded ashtrays, like McDonalds.
At least the ashtrays can still be used, one of my buddies uses them for coasters and I want to use one for screws when I work on stuff.
I got told to turn my Joe Camel shirt inside out in the 8th grade. I didn’t understand. I was so rad and so was he.
Good lord the times have changed thank goodness.
I don’t get it
I was a child rocking a camel cigarette shirt.
camel Joe was a hero back then
not to be confused with cotten eye Joe
Even just going to a restaurant or bar got so much more enjoyable.
So the grocery store in my little town growing up was the last hold out. They had ash trays in their buggies until they legally couldn’t, then kept the buggies for years after.
What’s a buggy in this context, a cart?
Correct.
And back in the 80s, a cart was something you pushed at the grocery store, not something you smoked. And a buggy was a hardware cart that you’d deploy to go shopping, and then when you were done you’d roll it back and get your quarter back.
1984 was a strange time, linguistically speaking.
Yep. I actually didn’t know there was another name for it until I was in my 20s.
Ashtrays on carts, that’s a new one to me who grew up in the very smoky 80s.
I think it was probably very location dependent. I know the Skaggs where my mom worked did, plus the little affiliated grocery store in my town. But I don’t remember them at Kroger or Piggly Wiggly (back when that was a thing there).
People were smoking in the corner store I used to work in way past the day it became illegal, including the lady that owned it and the employees…
I worked at a place for a little while in a town that had no ordinance. We absolutely smoked behind the counter.
I’m old enough to remember a home visit from my GP for childhood asthma and he was prepping his pipe with tobacco while talking to me
I think you are even older than me!
I moved to São Paulo recently and discovered that people here still smoke on clubs. Is disgusting coming back from party with the hair and clothes smelling like cigarettes.
My wife is from an Eastern European country, and whenever we visit her folks I have a similar experience. Every single restaurant reeks of smoke, and there is apparently no political appetite to change that.
The funny thing about cigarettes is they kill lots of appetites by providing such ready dopamine release.
Apparently many states in Germany have smoking in pubs too . It’s so nasty. Makes me actually ill to be around a smoker.
I still regularly marvel about how great it is not to have to quarantine my clothes and have a shower as soon as I come home from the pub or restaurant, and it has been 20 years since it was banned around here.
I went on a road trip a few years ago and we went to a bar… somewhere along the mid Atlantic. Maybe Virginia or one of the Carolinas, and people are smoking at the bar, and I felt like I had just landed on a different planet. Like… I had almost forgotten people still smoked at all, let alone a dozen people puffing away in a small barroom.
We got pretty drunk and had a good time though. But then when I took a shower in the morning, it was like all that smoke residue was oozing out of my pores and hair. Being hungover and having a steamy, cigarette-smelling shower did not start the day off well.
sometimes though, the bars smell like piss. i think id take cig smoke smell to piss smell
If your bar smells like piss, maybe it’s time to go to a different bar.
Idk… Depends on how cheap the drinks are.
Your beer tastes like piss
That’s cos we piiiisss in it
Same. I’m so sensitive to smoke I will run away from anyone smoking in my vicinity even outdoors.
Just go to Europe to relive that part of the 90s
Smoking indoors is banned basically everywhere thankfully, but yeah, there are still way too many smokers here.
In France it’s like a third of people, in Greece it’s like every other man smokes.
I went to the UK and France in 2004. Got to go back to France last year; I was going to say it’s like the U.S. in the 1990s but it seems like they’ve banned indoor smoking in most buildings so it is better than that. There are still a lot more people smoking in outdoor sections than I’ve experienced in the U.S. for about 20 years, though. I’ve gotten so used to smoking being rare in the U.S. that it felt weird to see (relatively) so much in France.
A lot of Japan as well, though the laws changed to ban it in some places prior to the olympics so (Tokyo, at least) isn’t nearly as smokey as it was before corona and the olypmics.
The 90s were nothing compared to the 80s for smoking.
“Smoking or non?”
If you want to experience this sensation today, travel to Russia or Japan. Yes, Japan. People don’t talk enough about how prevalent smoking still is over there. As a non-smoker, the number of restaurants or cafes I could go to without getting sick was diminished by about 90%.
So I literally just touched down on a flight from Tokyo (haven’t gotten off the plane yet) and actually not really. They’re more like America in the 00s. A ton of smokers and everywhere has to say you can’t smoke there, but you can’t smoke anywhere anymore. It’s definitely weird that they have to say no smoking on the Shinkansen, but it doesn’t smell like smoke
Check out my comment! Tokyo is really different. When you visit Shibuya or Shinjuku, you’ll start to see more smokers. Kabukichō district is also where you’ll find smokers (and other underworld-y stuff)
Ok I’m not going to say where I was, but you missed the part where Tokyo was a pass through because it’s where Americans fly in and out. I landed and promptly took a series of trains to a small city west of Nagoya. I also spent a day in a factory in a place that could very well be or not be considered Tokyo because I’m not used to megapolises, incidentally though the hotel there is where I saw more smoking than near Nagoya.
Probably you didn’t get the full picture because you only went to Maid cafes and the Akihabara child porn stores.
What is wrong with you?
Bullseye!!
Tokyo is the exception not the rule. Go anywhere else and you’ll start seeing a lot more smokers.
Oh was the city I spent most of my trip in that was a multi hour Shinkansen ride from Tokyo also an exception and not the rule? Because I spent three days in a factory there and dealing with Japanese engineers and factory workers and it’s the way I describe. Maybe Osaka or Kyoto are different but they’re closer to where I was than Tokyo is. For all I know Hokkaido is a perpetual cloud of cigarette smoke. But I hit up two factories in two cities that aren’t Tokyo and my experience holds. Tokyo is just where my airport was.
Yes. That’s like saying everyone in America acts like New Yorkers.
Ok but if I drove to and spent time in by Albany and Milwaukee after flying into NYC and found that there seemed to be major social changes that had happened that notably had happened in other places first I think I’d be reasonable in telling people that America seems like it might’ve undergone some cultural shifts or at least it appears to be in the process of it.
So yeah believe me or don’t. Maybe I hit relatively low smoking areas. I know executives in Japan at least in my company are still stereotyped as absolute chimneys. But when I was in three cities in Japan over the past week I didn’t see or smell much tobacco use at least not a huge amount more than in America. The country certainly couldn’t be compared to America over 20 years ago, I remember by eyes burning from the smoke at restaurants back then and my lungs are terrible these days.
So to stick with factual statements: in the three cities I was in I witnessed not many people actually smoking, enough “no smoking” signs and announcements to find it notable, a couple of cigarette vending machines, two smoking floors in one hotel to 5 non smoking (no other hotel specified in the elevator, but none of my rooms smelled of smoke), no indoor smoking sections in any restaurant or public transit I took, and none of the people I spent days collaborating with took smoke breaks. And I don’t recall seeing anyone smoking while waiting for a train. I hypothesize that Japan has recently moved towards the anti smoking reforms that were effective in other countries, but I may have just been in the wrong places to see it or missed it. I’m just some lady on the internet, for all you know I’m lying.
Guys, found us another white knight weeaboo who will raise to any occasion to use his two week guided tour through Japan as a shield against even the slightest mention of something that isn’t perfect in his utopia, Japan.
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Sure you got me. I’m an absolute weeb and white knight who took a vacation and was excited to get into an argument about it. Definitely not someone who was there on business and actually pretty excited to see much less smoking than I’d expected and was honestly just happy to get her first out of country experience even if she had to spend the majority of the time working and didn’t get to really see anything because the factories are in bumfuck nowhere.
I will admit, I was guided by an engineer I work with who happens to be from there. You see I never bothered to learn Japanese because I don’t really have a reason to learn except for business. That’s a guided tour right? Business meetings, factory tours, going out to dinner where my coworkers and business contacts suggested, and occasionally wandering around near the hotels?
Maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m just avidly defending a country that I’m appalled by a lot of their actions including in present day because some people really love their media. Or I just thought you were wrong, was met with hostility and jackassery, and presented my arguments for why I think this country may be experiencing a cultural shift.
You on the other hand, should go take up chain smoking
I watch Midnight Diner and they all smoke on there.
Also:
- Any vacation spot with a lot of Russians, like Cuba. Nobody wants to tell a drunk Russian to put out their cigarette indoors, and smoking is allowed in open spaces (even covered spaces like open lobbies)
- Rome. Igneous rock is very porous, and everything ancient is made of it. Decades after smoking is banned there, the stonework will still be leaking the fumes out of its pores. The smoke was inescapable when I toured 15 years ago despite it being banned in indoor public places, and it will be inescapable 15 years from now.
Nobody wants to tell a drunk Russian to put out their cigarette indoors
As someone living in Russia, the danger is overestimated. The problem is mainly with them not understanding you. Possibly accidentally starting a fire when fulfilling your request.
That’s probably true. Every drunk non-smoking russian I’ve met was just happy to make a new friend.
Dude, you don’t get it. Nobody wants to hear from Russia anymore.
Wow.
Dude, Russia still has killed less people than USA in the last 20 years.
Among groups of people nobody wants to hear from anymore yours is higher.
Do you think it’s some kind of competition? Do you think that as long as you can find someone else who else did a bad thing yours is suddenly OK?
For the purpose of this branch of conversation - yeah.
I’d really like to find something like Voinarovsky test, only in English. It’s a humorous way to test one’s ability to reason. Only the first time counts naturally, sane person’s result would be 26/30 minimum, it’s not hard. I think most of commenters here would struggle to reach 15/30.
I’ve never set foot in the US. So shut up and go get ass-fucked every day in your hellhole soon to be glass joke of a country, Kümmel.
Oh, a German. I see why you are so anxious. Condolences.
I live in Russia, it’s better than 10 years ago. But this thread did give me memories.
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I didn’t say I’m a smoker from Russia.
Was in Tokyo and Osaka last year.
Tokyo was gorgeous. No smokers in sight at most locations. Some vapers, but whatever.
Osaka was the complete opposite. I had to find outdoor restaurants. The gaming bar I hung out had a smoking corner near the bathroom. Lots of cigarette butts all over the city.
When I was maybe 3 (maybe 4 - it’s a little fuzzy), I remember safety pinning a towel around the collar of my shirt so I could be like Superman (we had recently seen it in the theater). The towel also had frayed ends, and ended up in the ashtray along side my mom’s cigarette. I remember my mom panicking trying to get those safety pins off when the towel caught fire. We never were allowed to safety pin towels to our clothes again after that. 😂
Also I love how my kids know the cigarette lighter in the car as a place to plug in a car charger and nothing else.
I thought the cigarette lighter in the car was a rubber stamp and I’d get the icon marked on my hand.
Yes, I burned myself.
Cigarette lighter? You mean the finger print eraser and “lesson enforcer”? It was always empty when I grew up, seems like every child needed to learn that it was still hot even after the glow had vanished :)
The bic type lighter where everywhere, including in the coin shelf in cars
I still have a bic lighter, and I quit smoke 10 years ago. Never know when it’ll come in handy.
I also remember when there were cigarette vending machines in restaurants. $1.25/pack and no age verification. 😉
I still have a bic lighter, and I quit smoke 10 years ago. Never know when it’ll come in handy.
We got one from a gas station for lighting birthday candles. I just got a firepit and went to use it to start a fire and realized I’ve never used one before and had to try a lot of times to actually get it to light.
They’re pretty shit for lighting anything that’s not cigarettes or similar. They burn the fuck out of your finger if held any orientation but vertical which makes lighting a campfire annoying. Gotta light the kindling in your hand then place it under the wood once lit.
i remember ashtrays on the arm of every airplane seat!
I was born in the early 90s and remember making fun of the idea that a non-smoking section separated from active smokers in the IHOP by a thin barrier that didn’t even reach the ceiling could do anything.
Boy, leaded gasoline really fucked up whole generations, didn’t it? Oh… We are still dealing with the fallout from that, aren’t we?
A smoking area in a restaurant was about as useful as setting up a pissing area in a pool…
You got that backwards. Smoking section was the default state. The non-smoking section was the special.
Dumping water in a piss pool then?
I’m still convinced that lead poisoning was the catalyst for the fall of the Roman empire. And they weren’t even breathing tainted air constantly.
We still use lead pipes for water infrastructure in many areas of the country for fucks sake.
Fun fact: ancient and medieval societies had so much fucking lead around because lead is commonly found in silver ore (galena), usually around 100X more plentiful than the silver and it melts at a lower temperature. So the quest for silver produced huge amounts of lead as a byproduct and people found uses for it like roofs, water pipes and, uh, sweeteners? Jesus Christ, Rome.
I was born in the early 90s and remember making fun of the idea that a non-smoking section separated from active smokers in the IHOP by a thin barrier that didn’t even reach the ceiling could do anything.
Barrier? Most restaurants barely divided the two with an aisle.
Tim Hortons had the smoking box, I’d give a lot to find a photo of it. Basically it was one of the last holdouts.
Minneapolis airport had a smoking room in one of the concourses. It had glass walls and was as gross as you could imagine. I held my breath everytime I walked past
Holy crap that’s a memory unlocked, transferring in Minneapolis and holding my breath as you walk past the smoking area
