Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don’t care, which is the most fucked up part
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
That doesn’t make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
It’s insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn’t a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn’t say out loud to fight the “red menace.”
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don’t think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Fun new things keep coming out.
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the “leftists” and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
He would have eventually run for President. Malcolm X couldnt, but King could. King had lots of white people starting to side with him.
Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn’t have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?
Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written? Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written?
No I was raised in Antarctica.
Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Not a chance. There is no shortage of motivational speakers in this world.
But as a martyr the government can paint him as being only about racism, not about economics.
Also he was assassinated 4 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, so to say he wouldnt remembered without being killed is a gross exaggeration. It may have boosted his legacy, but there is not doubt he would still be an important figure in American history.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner
Trump conspired against the USA.
Which time?
Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.
Not sure if you’ve followed just the “alternate” electors plot, but that alone is pretty conspiratorial.
Do your research on the case and the answers will be very obvious.
He was literally indicted (in part) for conspiracy. There are easily findable legal documents that list all the others.
His lawyers, some of his staff in the white house and kid rock
Probably Roger Stone too
What did he give North Korea for them to step back?
Fact. Not a theory.
in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
@MountNDoU
@toiletobserver
i search this …2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).
Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
During the Trump administration the DoJ successfully prosecuted a few people in his campaign for collaborating with Russians. They were later pardoned by Trump.
His son in law took money from them too.
Yes ! Thanks for reminding me - - this is so telling.
So very clear for us and yet some conservative sees nothing. What a shame.Because patriotism was always only a tool to let them attack their fellow Americans, when Putin offers a better way of attacking liberals and progressives they’ll happily support Russia.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
Trump being on the ruzzian payroll is not a secret. He’s a puppet.
When he was elected (with the help of russia), he was brougt into a dark smoke filled room that smelled like sigarettes and cheap vodka, with a dosen men was sitting behind their desks. He couldn’t see any faces. No words said before Trump said: “what’s my agenda?”
What I wouldn’t do to have the transcripts of his private conversation with Putin that only one other US personnel, the interpreter, was allowed to attend. Just Putin, Trump, and the translator. No one else was allowed in other than Putins translator.
Try to tell me Putin wasn’t giving orders or giving information to Trump that he expected Trump to use in Putins favor…
I suspect that Trump’s taking national classified documents included these documents. Trump classified these with the highest of secret classifications at the time to hide them, and he did not dare leave them for Biden to get his hands on.
If Biden’s administration could still could get these transcripts, they could have been redacted to take out the sensitive parts and been declassified. We are likely to not have all the secret documents that Trump took, still.
I can’t see a situation where the US would have actively supported Russia, but it’s 100% believable that our support for Ukraine would be significantly muted if Trump were still president. And this would almost certainly also translate into reduced support from the rest of NATO.
I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.
Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.
I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it’s aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.
Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn’t even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.
I think it’s bogus and they’re using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war
100% it’s bogus. They aren’t using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.
It’s always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.
some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes
It’s the intersecting lasers making plasma thing they were working on, all the same physical properties and it’s probably what they were testing at that exercise where the tictac was filmed.
My guess is it half works but it impractical so they’re doing this poor cover up attempt to make China think it does work so they’ll invest r&d into it and waste resources, they used to do that to Russia all the time
a next level civilization moved here and lives in the ocean doing their thang. and we have to use super fancy machines to even notice them.
Why do you believe that?
And the oceans are too cold for them, so they are pushing us towards global warming, right?
Someone recently watched The Abyss
That trump is carefully placed and chosen distraction. He was allowed to run as republican so that they could use him as a screen to hide their real plans.
I can’t honestly say I really believe it, not when the rest of it is thrown in, but that part I kinda, sorta think has merit.
The rest of the crazy is that he’s not only a plant, but that the ties to Russia, the convenient invasion of Ukraine, and the sudden leap to the proxy war going on their now (rather than when Russia first started fucking around there years ago) is all part of a plan by the military industrial complex to rise to cold war era riches again, with a long laundry list of companies like Halliburton.
This is not a conspiracy theory I’ve seen on the internet (not yet anyway). It’s one I’ve heard floating around at the shooting range I use that’s lgbtq+ friendly. Which only matters because that’s why I never expected to hear a conspiracy theory there of all places. I mean, a shooting range that’s almost exclusively used by people a bit further left than Bernie Sanders and the local pink pistols group, and a local lgbtq+ shooting group unaffiliated with the pink pistols.
Like, people don’t even discuss politics other than gun politics there usually. But the last three or four times I’ve been this year, there’s a little clique that’s been talking about it. I know them, and the is the first I’ve ever heard them get into this kind of thinking.
But that’s the least bullshit “conspiracy” that I’ve heard that wasn’t more of just a secret. Like, mk ultra shit where it isn’t really a conspiracy, it was classified, and there’s a difference between them.
I honestly believed trump was a democrat plant to guarantee Hillary one.
They’re going to reveal the whole trump presidency was fake any minute now.
Right guys? Please?
I maintain that his initial announcement of his candidacy was more a publicity stunt than anything else.
Then he realized he could actually win
That would have been hilarious. Or hillaryious, I guess.
Sure as hell, nobody I knew (even the die hard republicans) thought he had a chance in hell at the time.
It could make sense when compared to Brexit. The brexit referendum was supposed to be a 4D chess move from less insane Tories to shut down the new populist party and more radical conservatives. Instead we got shady meddling, “leave” won and they were actually forced to do it and shoot their both feet with a cannon.
Maybe the established powers in the US wanted to use Trump to channel extremism into him and have him lose to get rid of the sentiments. Instead some shady meddling happened etc.
Instead some shady meddling happened etc.
russia?
Kinda related to this, but we know prior to the 2016 Russia hacked the DNC emails and only really released info about them talking shit on/working against Bernie (potentially the most damaging info/most helpful to get Trump elected).
We also know that they hacked the RNC, but didnt release any info from it. And we also know the NRA was receiving Russian funds and then donating to Trump and other Republicans.
So it isnt far fetched to believe that between the carrot of campaign donations and the stick of leaking sensitive RNC emails Russia was attempting to force the RNC to force a potential Russian asset in power to cripple/break up NATO to continue Russia’s expansion into Western Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.
Imagine the lack of support given the invasion of Ukraine if Trump were president. If anything Trump would jump on recognizing the gains as Russian territory.
Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like “culture wars”) are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.
It’s interesting that the big “revelations” of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:
Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.
The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.
Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.
So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women’s health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean… yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).
Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people’s unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.
And talks of cuts to military spending at a time when people dont want to get involved in a new European war…
Exactly. It struck me that they must be diverting attention from something when they came out with the alien stuff
You don’t need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It’s all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.
I’m not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.
I’m saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they’re involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.
The industrial revolution is an illusion created by 14:th century wizards.
…Interesting.
Would you mind elaborating? I approach in good faith :)
No technology actually works, it is all a magical illusion. You may think a steam engine works with heated water and pressure; a computer with circuits and electrons; etc.; well, that is all gobbledygook, and what actually makes any of these things do things that occasionally seem useful is nothing but powerful illusion magic. If the assembly of mages decide to dispell the illusion, we’ll be back in the middle ages. For one thing, it seems they never really got the illusion to work quite right for printers.
I don’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.
Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary’s monkey and Mary’s mosaic.
Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.
Why? It wasn’t much of a plan.
It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof
I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.
Over thirty people making videos it taking pictures in the plaza, every story and statement poured over time and time again in intricate detail… And we’re still no where near a consensus opinion on what happened.
The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.
Moving target and you don’t make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?
If it’s the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage
It was mafia.
Please keep in mind:
The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.
For examples please see Fidel Castro
Trust me I’m well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of “they’re incompetent fools” and “their power is limitless and they’re all knowing”.
Doesn’t change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that’s standing still than one moving in a car
I think Oswald acted alone and got two shots with one making contact and the other hitting the curb. The kill shot was from a Secret Service agent who fell forward in a moving vehicle.
Oh, the AR-15 got JFK too? Sheeit. /s
QAnon was made up by Trumps entourage to deflect the accusations against him.
Nah the Trump fanbois would gladly do that work for free. They’re pretty communist like that
Yes, this is it. Most likely it was the South African guy who first said that someone had hijacked Q’s account that started it. He couldn’t admit he was behind the account or he’d expose and embarrass himself when CodeMonkey (Ron Watkins) took it from him. Then the Watkinses were behind it from then on.
The QAnon docu-series on HBO did an excellent job of showing that this is likely what happened. I’m super interested in that loony movement (as a spectator and worrier) and yet it still presented all kinds of details and info that I hadn’t known. Also, Will Sommer, author of * Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America* and the hosts of the QAnon Anonymous podcast (also spectator and worriers) think this is the most likely answer and they collectively know more than almost anyone about the subject.
In the end, it was sort of an accident that it got so big and they just lucked into it.
Non-human intelligence has been around on earth for a very long time and the government knows a lot more about them than they would have us believe
A secret service agent fired the kill shot at JFK when he fell forward in a moving vehicle.
IIRC there is a diary entry of the agent that has been cited as evidence.
What was the substance of the entry, as best that you can recall?
Good question. It was on a Channel 4 or 5 docu over here in the UK. I think it was generic, that he’d done something terrible due to a hangover or something. Bare in mind I saw it about 10 years back.
Watch a 2 part video about his assassination, this theory is complete bs
It was believed by a gun / ballistics expert who was the only person to complete the Oswald shot challenge in the time the shots were fired (I know, appeal to authority). It would also explain why there would be a coverup, as it would be deeply embarrassing during cold war times.
What’s your theory?
This theory is complete bollocs and ridiculous. There is not a single witness who saw this happen. Almost all heard the shots coming from the book depository, not two from there and one from the limo. The shot that killed JFK was vastly different from one that would be fired from an AR-16. Furthermore, this person who, according to this theory “shot kennedy” testified, that they were long in the overpass when he reached for his gun. Also it is PROVEN that oswald fired 3 shots, by 3 shell casings and massive amount of witness testimony.
Not to mention the fact that he wasn’t the only one to complete the oswald shot challenge. His shots were easy to reproduce, by anyone who would try it.
Finally, there wasnt a coverup, if any sort. Unless you think a massive report is a coverup, then i can’t help you.
My theory is that Oswald acted alone, fired 3 shots and killed JFK
Interesting. I was just going off of something I heard on a podcast, which I know isn’t necessarily authoritative. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, so it’s not terribly interesting to me and I don’t bother with the topic much.
Thing is, we do know for sure. This is not a thing that is really debatable, the data only leads to one conclusion.
I don’t feel 100% on the data or that the data is complete. Either way, it ultimately doesn’t affect me so it’s fine that I don’t know how much I trust it.
What’s the significance of falling forward in a moving vehicle?
An argument to convince people whose physics knowledge stops before Galileo?
As in accidental discharge when losing balance.
He forgot to mention that the theory is that it happened on accident. Thus he fell forward, causing him to misfire
Oswald shot JFK … but he was aiming for John Connally, against whom he had a grudge because he believed Connally had blocked Oswald’s request to have his dishonorable discharge expunged after he returned from the Soviet Union.
I take it further in my belief that it was entirely accidental.
Imagine being the guy that has to carry the fact that they accidentally killed the youngest president in US history
No plane hit Tower 7
…people think one did?
Tower 7 fell like the twin towers did. But it wasnt hit.
If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the building 7 was connected to the towers underground. That might have dealt damage to the structure with the fires and impacts. I have no idea if that is why building 7 fell, but it was a theory.
Much of the debate around the twin towers falling was the effects of how hot jet fuel can burn and its effect on the steel structure, with engineers concluding while it wouldnt melt, it would weaken the already damaged structure enough for it to collapse.
But again, no planes hit Tower 7, there was no jet fuel, and no damaged structure, making it a skyscraper collapsing purely by fire, which has never happened in the history of skyscraper fires.
That’s because normally they’re seen to by firefighters, but this one was left to burn for about 7 hours (as its was empty and their efforts were obviously elsewhere)
I believe there’s definitely some shady stuff going down with Coca cola. [For those interested] (https://www.conspiracies.net/coke-conspiracies-capitalism-finest/)
In addition to human rights abuses, there’s an entire other rabbit hole of conspiracy involving the drug trade, the DEA, the pharmaceutical industry, and foreign governments. Quite interesting!
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Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.
I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable
The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen
Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
That the UK and USA invaded Iraq to increase the cost of oil and artificially limit supply. Also, that we may be in a history simulation.
