Not a problem, he will just sue everyone that did not buy a Tesla.
I hate that becoming a certain level of rich can guarantee that you will never not be rich even if you’re the dumbest motherfucker that ever tried to do business.
Maybe it doesn’t reach your criteria of a “certain level”, but there’s definitely stories of people winning significant amounts of money in the lottery and being broke years later because they are morons.
You need to reach the level and get the nepotism engine to collect you. A lotto winner could probably attend an event and sieg heil in front of Peter Thiel. That’s like calling a taxi into nepotism. Typical lotto winners just spend it all frivolously instead.
Right. You do have to still be smart enough in some way to retain the money/power. Or lucky/connected enough (daddy is watching out that dumb-as-rocks junior doesn’t blow all of his $100m, etc)
If you earned 100m in your lifetime, you’ve only had a 10th of a billion dollars.
Musk has hundreds of billions of dollars.
That’s a very, very big difference. He could literally set aside enough money for 10 very wealthy life times, and not even make a dent in his play money.
That’s a good point.
I’d call earning 30 mil over 60 years “very wealthy,” which would net you 3333 lifetimes at that rate out of 100 billion.
Starting at 18 years old At that rate you could pay off a 3 bedroom house in a major city before you were 21. Even if you had to work 8-6, 6 days a week for that money you could probably retire by 40 years old.
It doesn’t, Cris Rock explained it very well:
Kobe Bryant is rich, he gets a paycheck of 100 mil per year.
Now, wealthy is the guy that signs that check.
Chris Rock is a pretty smart motherfucker.
We should make sure he gets the big piece of chicken
You’re not seriously comparing a lotto winner to someone with global oligarch levels of wealth right now, are you? I have more respect for your intelligence than that my man.
Depends on how you count it. Would you consider Steve Jobs to be rich? Seems to me that he managed to find a way to graduate from his status as a rich person with his stupidity.
I mean he was rich, wasn’t he? Did he die poor somehow? I don’t know enough about him.
No no, I’m just saying sometimes they are dumb enough to kill themselves (he rejected proper cancer treatment, in favour of pseudo bullshit). That’s one way they sometimes manage to get out being rich 😂
I mean that was just hubris
Yes. Terminal hubris, society needs better options than relying on it to take care of our inequality problem though.
Eat the rich.
I haven’t broken through the paywall, can someone explain why a drugstore chain is being quoted? Do German drugstores sell cars or run deliveries or something?
I’m afraid there isn’t that much meat to the story… Here I’ll give you the quotes relating to Rossmann, the rest is padding or embedding context if we want to be charitable.
“Elon Musk makes no secret of his support for Donald Trump. Trump has repeatedly described climate change as a hoax—this attitude is in stark contrast to Tesla’s mission to contribute to environmental protection through the production of electric cars,” Raoul Rossmann, Rossmann’s spokesman for the management, said in a statement.
Thirty-four of Rossmann’s 800 vehicles are Teslas, the company’s spokesperson told Fortune. The company plans to continue using those vehicles for “sustainability and resource conservation.”
Rossmann is the first major business to cite Musk’s political stance as a reason to halt future Tesla purchases. Other European companies have dropped orders from Tesla for different reasons.
Elon never cared a bit about environment and shit, that’s why he wants to land on some other inhabitable planet.
It just happened that there was a void in the market and Tesla was at the right time, introducing expensive luxury ev with long range when the only other options were expensive shitboxes with limited range. Suddenly there was an option to get something that would be worth owning at that price range.
If he really cared the environment he would push for a small and light city vehicle instead of a huge heavy truck with a giant battery that can’t be used for actual work
The chain has a fleet of 800 vehicles, 34 of which are teslas. It seems as though they were going to replace the others with teslas over time, but due to Elon, they decided not to.
They also say they will maintain the teslas they do have, so as to be environmentally responsible.
Hmmm, I smell a lawsuit.
To some the future is more important than the present. For others the present is more important.
To each their own.
Except we can’t each have our own. Inflation rewards shorter time preferences, so we have a “this quarter” economy we can’t opt out of.
So how do we fix that problem? Stay the course, or try to do something now so that our children are better off?
The real Tesla killer was inside the room all along.
Also in America. Here in California I know several people that sold their Tesla because of lonE skuM and many more who wouldn’t buy because of him. I myself have told Tesla recruiters in two occasions that I’d never work for that piece of shit
Recruiters??!?!!?!
Why in the world would he possibly need to recruit people:
- To come live in abject fear of his every whim?
- To be expected to work 24 hours a day seven days a week?
- To not be able to have a family?
All the best talent will be lining up for some of that!!!
At this point having Tesla on your résumé means you couldn’t do better.
“yes, i would like to relocate and dedicate my life to a company that might fire the entire team just because one day the CEO snorted too much ketamine”
I’m one. When he moved Tesla engineers to work on Twitter and then went on an unhinged anti-Trans rant in the middle of an earnings call, I shopped around and traded in my model 3. I always assumed the major selling point of a Tesla was the software, but he keeps fucking with the people who make it.
I think a lot of it was the charging network. What happened with that again? Oh yeah. He fired that whole team.
I was in the market for an EV shortly after he took over twitter. I ruled Tesla out because I do not want to be seen to support that douche in any way.
I actually bought my Tesla about a year before he took over Twitter. The supercharger network has proven itself on a few long trips, which is the main reason I’m holding onto it for now.
I can pretty much guarantee that my next car will be an EV but definitely not a Tesla. Since virtually all EV manufacturers have announced support for J3400 in the next few years I figure there will be a handful of decent options for me to choose from in 5-10 years.
They’re certainly massively ahead of the competition with their charging network, I won’t argue with that. I’m fortunate enough that I can charge at home and that’s pretty much all I have ever done. I have not needed to do a cross-country road trip.
I’m target demo for a Tesla. Upper middle class techie. My next car will be an EV and I actually like Teslas. I like a lot of things about them but I will absolutely not buy one while Elon is in charge of the company. Fuck that guy. He’s not getting any of my money.
I got a Cadillac lyric instead and I love it
Same here, even with all the BS around Twitter and his political views… I WAS still considering a Tesla, but with the pro-Trump PAC and the deep fakes on Xitter it’s just another level of bullshit.
Hoping he gets forced out in the next year because I also don’t want to buy from a dealership, which doesn’t leave me a lot of options for an EV.
The tesla shareholders just approved a 55 billion dollar bonus that a court had previously struck down.
Hes not getting voted out. This is what they want.
Presumably it’s “… worth in stock”, and might even have vesting periods. He doesn’t get that much unless the stock price stays high
That’s good, because people really do conflate the drivers with Elon’s fans, and also with Trump. I’m one of them. Fuck Elon, and fuck every Tesla driver.
Same. Upper middle class and work for a large hyperacaler.
Tesla was the only one excluded from my recent EV search. Loving the Polestar 2 so far.
Same here, some friends of mine really got into car hacking with Teslas in particular and I was looking forward to sharing more hobbies with them. But at this point, I’d be embarrassed as hell to tell anyone I intentionally bought a Tesla, even a used one. And besides, if I really want the “sleek futuristic electric car by the dedicated electric car company”, Rivian exists (unless their CEO is somehow worse than Elon 😬😩)
If he is worse than Elon, he at least has the decency to hide it.
Rivian needs a Y/3 competitor. It’s over 100k for a Rivian in Canada. A Y is 54k, a 3 is just under 50k to qualify for federal and provincial incentives.
Well lucky for us they have the R2/R3(X) in the pipeline. Can’t come soon enough though, 2026 for the R2 seems like a lifetime away.
BYD has its PHEV Shark truck starting at $54k. Its something like 500+ mile mixed range, with a 60 mile electric only range.
Not exactly the same, but still a lot of truck for much less. They will be making them in Mexico, so tariffs shouldn’t apply.
Yeah, I said that without looking up the prices for a Rivian and remembered why I’m not actually considering getting one 😭. The world just still isn’t ready for an all electric car manufacturer that is both affordable and not run by a manchild smdh
Ditto. I have 3 requirements above the current cars though:
- Better range
- more physical controls, everything that isn’t media or GPs needs physical buttons
- Elon must not profit
The physical control is a big one. I’m not using software capable of driving a vehicle that’s made and controlled by a Nazi.
Media also. It’s super valuable to change songs with no fiddling.
Add “real steering wheel” to that cause that futuristic airliner yoke shit would absolutely kill me the first time I try to cross over to turn.
I won’t buy Tesla but to be fair, the yoke in the cybertruck is one of the few things that every reviewer says works great. There’s no crossover turn, the wheel maxes out well before then so you keep your grip as it is. Instead, the turn input is progressive depending on how much you turn the yoke and dynamic depending on how fast you’re going. They say in practice, it quickly feels very natural.
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Same demographic, but sadly I already bought a model Y cause I wanted a 7 seater with a 5 star crash safety rating…
Needless to say the car isn’t good enough to compromise on my morals moving forward and the next car will probably be that VW Buzz. That thing looks so fun.
Bought one too. I have a model 3 which I really enjoy and would probably have bought another Tesla next if it wasn’t for Elon going mad.
So sadly no more Tesla for me. Buzz is nice, as is the beemer i4.
I’m actually in the market for a new car, and it’s going to be an EV, but Tesla is not on my short list. (not just because of Musk, also because I think those cars are hideous, and I really dislike how a single iPad is used for everything. I need some physical buttons, especially for the airco unit) Instead I’m looking at the Renault Scenic or the Kia EV3.
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“lots of people are buying Tesla’s”
“People are stepping away from fully electric vehicles.”
Which is it? Are Tesla’s strong or weak? Or are we somehow in a situation where EVs are weak and Tesla is strong?
Especially now that a lot of countries are starting to notice the drain on energy networks.
Lmao
But I doubt they’re really “struggling”.
You don’t have to sit there and imagine things, because they are a publicly traded company…
It’s clear Musk’s politics have turned off a ton of potential customers worldwide. Tesla sales are falling off, while eg the Hyundai Ioniq is setting sales records in the US
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Tesla’s market share in Europe declined from 27.8% to 19.9% year over year as of this past March. Tesla’s sales in Europe fell 36% while BMW and Volvo had 60% and 70% growth in EV sales over the same period, respectively.
https://www.whichev.net/2024/04/25/tesla-tops-european-car-sales-charts-but-theyre-still-not-happy/
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When every other company manufacturing the same thing as you is making massive gains, because the whole market is expanding, and you’re suddenly posting losses, that’s going to raise so questions
Is it weird that a part of me wishes I was as confident in myself being right about stuff as you are about yourself?
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LOL, seems like you are only are aware of Tesla losses and try to explain it that it is because a power grid can’t handle it.
In reality it is that Tesla is losing customers which are fleeing to other manufacturers.
As for the energy consumption, for example in California 25% of new car sales are BHEV. Currently electric cars use 1% of the power and the estimates are that by 2035 (when sales of new ICE vehicles will be banned) this will go to 4%.
Since these cars easily take up the same as an entire household overnight.
You mean the same as the household take up overnight where most are sleeping and have turned almost everything off? That’s not actually a lot…
Really? It’s pa-ywalled, but based on just the title; really?
It’s not the poor reputation Teslas have at being cars? Recalls, performance, ongoing costs, longevity, manufacturing quality…etc. But, it’s X instead?
Why not both?
The cars are actually great, unfortunately
Are they though?
Nah. They’re pretty and quick, but they have the price tag of a brand new Jaguar and the build quality of a 1980s Yugo.
So their build quality has improved recently?
I’m gonna need another decade or two before I get an EV.
I’m gonna wait for the $15,000 economy shitbox model. Whoever ends up making it.
Noooo people need EV’s that do 0-100 in 2 seconds that cost 80k
All I need it run is 65. I want to go weeks between recharges. I don’t care about speed.
Citroen Ami is around 7k €
Stop posting US politics everywhere. This isn’t World News. This isn’t even news.
Unfortunately US Billionaires have a lot of societal impact outside of the US. They don’t care about the arbitrary borders that bound us plebians, they have enough money that the borders functionally don’t exist.
Don’t care. The real reason they post this here is US politics and not the effect it has on other countries. I’ll bet that OP is from the US.
Womp womp
Yep… People use Tesla as an example of EVs failing
It’s not falling because of EVs, it’s falling because the guy running it is so dodgy that consumers can’t be sure they’re not going to fuck things up in the future.
It also doesn’t help that Elon lies about things he doesn’t need to (even stupid things like calling the cave diver a pedo) and that makes potential consumers wonder what else he’s lying about.
I’d rather buy from a company ran buy someone who’s main job is running the company rather than being a social media MAGA influencer
Pretty much. It wouldn’t surprise me if long term Elon tries to run for office too as a right wing candidate now that Trump has shown to him that you can abuse the office for unethical reasons.
As his business drops, it will increasingly become profitable for him to push for no workers rights and increasingly worse consumer rights
I love that he managed to help push EVs mainstream, but he’s now a detriment
It’s actually an example of having 1 leader at the top being a failure versus a democratic company that has workers vote on decisions and press releases etc
Good.
